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Ruger P345PR: Should I buy this?
March 21, 2006 | JewishRighter

Posted on 03/21/2006 10:07:57 AM PST by JewishRighter

I am considering buying a pistol for personal, home protection. I don't expect to have any concealed carry needs/opportunities/license. I am pretty well settled on 45ACP as a benchmark for stopping power. I am also limiting my preferences to American manufacturers. I don't expect to do a lot of shooting, except for regular practice to maintain proficiency.

I've seen a lot of discussion of various weapons and I'm really asking for views on reliability, durability, user-friendliness, safety and degree of kickback for the Ruger P345PR. If anyone suggests another American made 45, please tell me why it would be preferred over the Ruger.

Thanks to anyone who can weigh in.


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1 posted on 03/21/2006 10:08:02 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter
For home protection a 10 or 12 gauge shotgun; I like Remington 1100's

For carrying, Colt .45 auto, or Dan Wesson 44 magnum with the 2 in heavy barrel.
2 posted on 03/21/2006 10:11:37 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: JewishRighter; sure_fine

Hard to beat Kimber's line-up.

My daily carry is an "Eclipse Target II":

http://www.kimberamerica.com/


3 posted on 03/21/2006 10:16:30 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: Mikey_1962
44 magnum with the 2 in heavy barrel.

What are the ballistics for that configuration. Seems to me that powder would still be burning once the bullet has left the barrel. All of my wheel guns have a 5" minimum barrel lenth for better burn completion and bullet spin.

As for a scatter gun for home protection, too bulky. And I have four 12 ga for outdoor use. For home protection, I'll stick with my Sig P226.

4 posted on 03/21/2006 10:23:38 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: JewishRighter

I have heard some bad reports on the newest Ruger 45 auto. Trigger reset problems, most of all.

If you are set on the Ruger 45, why not consider searching for a used Ruger P-97 45 auto? They only stopped making that model about 2 years ago, and personally, I like it a lot better than the new one.

If you shop around, you should be able to find a used P-97 for around $275. That's what I would do.


5 posted on 03/21/2006 10:24:03 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: Cobra64
What are the ballistics for that configuration?

deadly for the use cited.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 10:25:00 AM PST by Loud Mime ("Countdown" - A documentary about Keith Olbermann's dwindling IQ)
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To: JewishRighter
I have a Colt 1991A1 in my nightstand. It's an upgraded version of the 1911, and is produced by Colt. It was my choice for several reasons one price and the other was nostalgia, it's what I carried in Vietnam, plus it does have the stopping power. Besides that it's just a "purty gun".


7 posted on 03/21/2006 10:25:03 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Cobra64

I have an 870 with a pistol grip, not bulky at all.


8 posted on 03/21/2006 10:27:49 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: JewishRighter

Ruger is an excellent company. I have two .357 wheel guns. Friends have 9's and .40's. They love 'em. Personally, I like Sigs. I have a Sig P226 in the nightstand; and carry a Sig P232.


9 posted on 03/21/2006 10:28:32 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: JewishRighter

What I have learned (especially with Ruger) is not to buy the first of any new model they put out. Wait until you can get a serial number >10,000. Ruger will do their best to take care of problems that come up with any of their guns, but who needs the hassle.

Take a look at www.rugerforum.com if you haven't already.

For in-home use, consider a 12 gauge pump shotgun.


10 posted on 03/21/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Cobra64

My favorite wheel gun.

11 posted on 03/21/2006 10:52:59 AM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: Cobra64

I am not familiar with the newer Rugers but had a very extensive collection until recently, around 45 revolvers; 15 pistols and a total of 125 rugers + Sakos, and more. I had several carry weapons for different circumstances. The "Pocket Rocket" SP101 in .357 was my usual carry, also liked the high capacity 9mm; 45 ACP is ok but I am not a fan of that caliber, 45 Colt is another story! A point to ponder is liability, single action vs. double action, type of bullet(some are less politicly correct than others and it really does matter, penetration of round vs. stopping power.A 12 ga. with buckshot is a formidable defesive weapon, 9 .32 cal pellets ought to slow down a drug crazed bear. Pick up a few current or even back issues of some gun rags and do some reading, might find something written by Massad Ayoob, dont know if he is still writting?


12 posted on 03/21/2006 10:58:33 AM PST by ruger1
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To: JewishRighter

Shalom, if you want stopping power delivered through an accurate and reliable pistol then go with a Kimber 1911 Custom II. Believe me, you will shocked by the inherent accuracy and dependibility. I used to shoot matches with mine and it worked flawlessly.


13 posted on 03/21/2006 11:03:45 AM PST by Jeffery T.
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To: JewishRighter

Shalom, if you want stopping power delivered through an accurate and reliable pistol then go with a Kimber 1911 Custom II. Believe me, you will shocked by the inherent accuracy and dependibility. I used to shoot matches with mine and it worked flawlessly.


14 posted on 03/21/2006 11:03:45 AM PST by Jeffery T.
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To: JewishRighter

Shalom, if you want stopping power delivered through an accurate and reliable pistol then go with a Kimber 1911 Custom II. Believe me, you will shocked by the inherent accuracy and dependibility. I used to shoot matches with mine and it worked flawlessly.


15 posted on 03/21/2006 11:03:51 AM PST by Jeffery T.
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To: 300magnum
Sweet. I also like heavy stainless steel shooters with longer barrels. More complete burn and better spin from the rifling = better accuracy. The weight is in my favor since I only weigh 150 lbs. and therefore absorbs kick better for me. I've shot alloy frame autos and after one 15 round magazine, my palm is sore.

As I mentioned on another post, for close in participation I'll accept a shorter barrel in a semi with more cartridge capacity, and a scatter gun would be my absolute last choice. Bottom line, there are always tradeoffs. Just have to use the right tool for the right job.

16 posted on 03/21/2006 11:05:59 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: JewishRighter
I have a 45acp by Charles Daley, cheap and a good gun
17 posted on 03/21/2006 11:07:49 AM PST by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cobra64
Bottom line, there are always tradeoffs. Just have to use the right tool for the right job.

Kind of like choosing the right golf club. ;-)

18 posted on 03/21/2006 11:19:15 AM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: Cobra64

"As for a scatter gun for home protection, too bulky."

That was my feeling, too. I will make my next purchase a 12 Ga., which certainly can be useful in home protection in the right circumstances, such as when your neighbor lets that d#amn dog of his...oh, never mind.


19 posted on 03/21/2006 12:09:32 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: Armedanddangerous

What do you like about the P-97?


20 posted on 03/21/2006 12:10:36 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: ladtx

"Besides that it's just a "purty gun"."

You ain't kiddin'. I've always loved that gun for it's purty looks and its history.


21 posted on 03/21/2006 12:11:57 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: Rio

That's 2 votes for the 12. What do you say to the argument about the manuevarability of the 12 as opposed to a pistol in confines of home?


22 posted on 03/21/2006 12:14:59 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

How steady will your aim be after the glass has shattered, or the door has been kicked in. Would you rather have a pistol that shoots one little slug of lead at a time, or would you rather have a 12 gauge scatter gun loaded with buckshot?


23 posted on 03/21/2006 12:31:39 PM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: JewishRighter
What do you say to the argument about the manuevarability of the 12 as opposed to a pistol in confines of home?

no problems. an 870 with an 18" barrel and a pistol grip is not that large. add a mag tub extender, a flashlight and a reddot of some sort, and you have a formidable weapon. also, a tricked out home defense shotgun will still cost less than a good, reliable handgun.
unless you're in a tiny apartment, or for some other reason think that a perp might be right on top of you before you can get off a shot, long gun is a better choice. its more stable- which will give you more accuracy- puts out more lead, and probably 9 times out of 10 the sound of a pump being racked will scare off intruders.
generally, the best home defense is a pump backed up be a reliable pistol. but whatever you get, spend as much time as you can get on the range.
24 posted on 03/21/2006 12:32:28 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: 300magnum

I'm seein' yer point, bigtime. Thanks


25 posted on 03/21/2006 1:20:59 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

For a double-action auto the trigger pull isnt too objectionable. The weight is good for concealed carry, yet not too light as to make it uncontrollable in shooting doubles and triples.

The sights, as from the factory, are ok, but better than the ones that come on most smith double action autos.

If you cock the hammer to fire it, the trigger pull is just as good as that of the 1911.

The mags that comes with it are 8 shots, plus the one in the chamber makes nine rounds of 45acp power in the gun.

I carry Glocks, but if I were to go to a double action auto for street carry, I'd probably go for that one.

The whole gun is just extremely well thought out. I dont know why they saw a need to change it. I guess it's the same reason the dropped the Security Six. Probably one of the strongest 357 magnum wheelguns ever made.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 1:25:31 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: absolootezer0

In a perfect world, one should have both a handgun and a shotgun for homeland defense.

Remember, a shotgun is best when used from a fixed position. By that, I mean this.

Let us say you know people are downstairs, and they are not friendly. You collect all known family members in the house into your bedroom. That is, for all intents and purposes, your saferoom.

When you collect all your loved ones, and someone is banging on the bedroom door with a hammer, it is safe to assume he is someone hostile to you. Once he gets through the door, you see the goblin, and determine he isnt a drunken relative or neighbor, then your purpose is clear.

You hide behind cover with a shotgun loaded with buck or slugs, and shoot at the door. You want the most power you can muster flying across the room toward the threat.

The handgun is for backup for your shotgun, and to carry when you are collecting your kids to a safe location.

I have a double barrel shotgun loaded with buck in my bedroom, and a Glock 17 loaded with a 19 round extended magazine for my home defense pistol. I figure the cops can collect all the brass from the encounter with a coal shovel if thats what it means to keeping my kin safe.


27 posted on 03/21/2006 1:33:25 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: Armedanddangerous

that's why you have to have a wife, so she can gather the kids while you cover. that, and i feel more confidant that i can retain a shotgun if it comes to very close quarters, and use it effectively as a club if need be.


28 posted on 03/21/2006 1:50:18 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

Bill Ruger said he thought the S Six was a wonderful gun but the big problem with it was, it could not show a profit.


29 posted on 03/21/2006 2:17:07 PM PST by ruger1
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To: JewishRighter

Well I'm a big guy and have no problem with maneuvering the shotgun. It's loaded with #4 turkey or goose loads, then a couple slugs. Nothing in the chamber as I'm depending on that unmistakable sound of putting the first round in to scare off all but the most determined bad guys.

I get what you mean about close quarters and a big gun.

Also the SG is hard to conceal. It's farther away most of the time, so my wife and I each have .45 autos close by in case we're surprised. We shoot the autos enough that we're confident in their reliability. I suppose that's the key to any one that you choose.


30 posted on 03/21/2006 2:34:09 PM PST by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Handguns are to get you back to your long guns.


31 posted on 03/21/2006 2:47:04 PM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: Mikey_1962; JewishRighter
Dan Wesson 44 magnum with the 2 in heavy barrel.

Mikey you're not seriously suggesting a 44 magnum for a novice shooter? Are you NUCKING FUTZ?

JR: I'm an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor. You should first off get trained by a certified instructor who should start you off on a 22LR just to detect and correct any fault in technique inasmuch as the basics of pistol marksmanship are concerned. When I teach for the Florida CCW class, I don't care if you're an out of state cop, an airborne ranger, or mickeymouse, everybody starts on a Ruger Super Single Six Single Action revolver 22. Then we progress up through 9mm, 40, 45 etc. My guns, you pay for ammo and range + my fee. I don't proceed to the next strongest caliber until proficiency is demonstrated at the current level. For my personal standards, proficiency is defined as being able to dump all the rounds of a firearm's magazine at it's full capacity or all the rounds of a revolver cylinder....twice....at a range of 7 yards into the center of a standard silouhette target. Pace of fire should be one round every two seconds or faster.

I personally dislike Ruger semiautos. I'm a BIG fan of the H&K USP 45 both the full size and the compact. I like it in the variation one trigger and carry mine with the chamber hot, hammer down so the first shot is double action. I also like my Sig P245 and my Glock M27 40.

I no longer carry any of my 1911's. Not that they're bad guns, it's just my personal preference. I like the long take up of the DA instead of the short crisp break of the 1911. Even with the new castle doctrine law here in Florida, I don't want any hint by anybody that just maybe my gun went off prematurely or by accident. There's a real danger when facing a jury of that. Especially with a savvy antigun prosecutor. All they have to do is to take the average jury member (totally ignorant of firearms most likely) and ask them to pull your trigger on a dry fire. Even with a 5 pound trigger pull, it'll seem to Mr or Mrs John Q Public that the gun went off so easily! That's why I personally choose to carry a DA pistol.

I'll say one thing. I bought my H&K USP new and with only the lube from the factory I shot over 2000 rds thru it without a cleaning and it never once failed. Not one single time! It's also the most accurate out of the box 45 I've ever fired as well. My 1911's can't do that. My Glock probably could. But if I had to choose only one handgun to take straight from the box and into a war, it'd be the USP hands down.

Mikey is right about one thing, though: For pure home protection you can't beat a good shottie in 12 guage. I'll stick with my slightly enhanced Benelli M121, semi auto. For a novice, IMHO, a semi is better than a pump right off. Under extreme pressure there is a distinct tendency for the novice to short stroke the pump resulting in the nasty (and potentially lethal) double feed jam.

32 posted on 03/21/2006 2:49:25 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier; JewishRighter

I'm an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor. You should first off get trained by a certified instructor who should start you off on a 22LR just to detect and correct any fault in technique inasmuch as the basics of pistol marksmanship are concerned........ everybody starts on a Ruger Super Single Six Single Action revolver 22. Then we progress up through 9mm, 40, 45 etc..... .........

As a NRA Certified Training Counselor
I train hundreds of NRA Certified instructors a year.
I concur; JR should get trained first!

Handguns are good but nothing beats a 870 12Ga. shotgun for home use.

The sound of an 870 being racked will put the fear of G-d into anyone.

There is also the concern of over-penetration with a handguns,
which leads to collateral damage.


33 posted on 03/21/2006 3:12:27 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: B4Ranch

Clint Smith bump.


34 posted on 03/21/2006 3:30:14 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: XeniaSt
There is also the concern of over-penetration with a handguns, which leads to collateral damage.

Depends on the structure, the caliber and configuration of ammo. You think a 12 ga loaded with a slug or 0-0-0 Buck won't penetrate? Ball ammo in a pistol will tend to penetrate further than JHP or the frangibles like Glaser, MagSafe or RBCD.

35 posted on 03/21/2006 3:53:11 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
XS> There is also the concern of over-penetration with a handguns, which leads to collateral damage.

Depends on the structure, the caliber and configuration of ammo. You think a 12 ga loaded with a slug or 0-0-0 Buck won't penetrate? Ball ammo in a pistol will tend to penetrate further than JHP or the frangibles like Glaser, MagSafe or RBCD.

All of that is true but way beyond the beginners question and understanding.

36 posted on 03/21/2006 5:57:09 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: JewishRighter
I think you ought to buy the gun that you imagine in your hand. If this Ruger feels good and suits your needs, then give it a good home.

Choosing a weapon to defend your house from intruders is a detailed process. Many use birdshot in a 12 gauge because it won't retain a lot of energy after going through walls and kill family members. The downside of a scatter gun is that if you have other family members in the room, they might get hit. Others prefer hand guns due to size and capacity. We keep a 9mm XD in our room with a tactical light on it because all the damned light switches in my house give an intruder the advantage. Keep in mind that a tac light lets a bad guy know where you are... and the beat goes on.

37 posted on 03/21/2006 7:05:41 PM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: absolootezer0
no problems. an 870 with an 18" barrel and a pistol grip is not that large. add a mag tub extender, a flashlight and a reddot of some sort, and you have a formidable weapon. also, a tricked out home defense shotgun will still cost less than a good, reliable handgun. unless you're in a tiny apartment, or for some other reason think that a perp might be right on top of you before you can get off a shot, long gun is a better choice. its more stable- which will give you more accuracy- puts out more lead, and probably 9 times out of 10 the sound of a pump being racked will scare off intruders. generally, the best home defense is a pump backed up be a reliable pistol. but whatever you get, spend as much time as you can get on the range

I have a mossberg 590 with a folding stock and a streamlight on it... in the basement. I have kids, it is hard to lock up a shotty and keep in handy for defense, and I really don't want to set off something that powerful in my house. The 9mm XD fits well in my safe.

38 posted on 03/21/2006 7:10:22 PM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: JewishRighter
This is a question I ask anyone who wants to buy a gun for the house:

Can your family operate it? Often, females have trouble with the heavy spring in a .45 auto pistol. A .357 Magnum may be better if this is the case in your home.

Also, don't get a shotgun with a pistol grip. They are impossible to aim. You have no sights and no frame of reference where the thing is really pointing. Get an 870 HD, or a nice Mossberg 590. They're not all that expensive, and they're bult like a brick you know what.

39 posted on 03/21/2006 8:57:26 PM PST by sig226
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To: XeniaSt
All of that is true but way beyond the beginners question and understanding.

Don't underestimate the capacity of the student to learn and comprehend, or you do him a major disservice. I've been a professional educator for eighteen years and spent the last nine in the inner city. My students have been accepted to Standford, Fordham and Cornell, to name but a few. Most all folks would say off the top of their heads that children from such a demographic could never hope to aspire to such lofty goals and they'd be wrong.

Bullet configuration, expansion, penetration isn't rocket science unless you want to make it incomprehensible gobbleygook to make yourself look like the wise man preaching atop the mountain. That's not why I'm a firearms instructor and it's not why I'm a teacher. I must be pretty good at what I do, my school of 170 faculty members voted me social studies Teacher of the Year in 2001.

I'm not trying to blow my own horn here, I hate that. My point is that I'm an experienced pro in the profession of education, of which the instruction of firearms is a part. Are you an NRA Training Counselor as a profession? If so, that's great! But you're already addressing a portion of the public that has more than a modicum of knowledge on the subject. Take Joe Schmoe off the street. TEACH HIM gun safety and marksmanship from the ground up. Make him into an expert capable of besting YOU on the range. That's a real teacher. Then do it over and over and over again.

40 posted on 03/22/2006 3:55:42 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Well, if you really MUST know, yes I am fucking nutz.

The first hand gun I ever had was a 0.357 Magnum, and my next two were 0.44 Mags: Dan Wesson and Ruger with a Magna Port.

With a minimum amount of range time anyone can become very good at handling a large caliber handgun.
41 posted on 03/22/2006 4:55:37 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: Mikey_1962
With a minimum amount of range time anyone can become very good at handling a large caliber handgun...

You remind me of the classic boyfriend or Dad who takes his girlfriend or daughter out to the south pasture and hands them either a 44 magnum or a 12 ga with 000 Buck and say here try this. The resultant blast and exclamations of FEAR cause that big old MANLY arm to circle those small helpless shoulders and whisper soothingly: Don't you worry, Darlin' I'll protect you! That makes me sick. Tell me, did you START on a magnum the very first time you ever fired a handgun? The 44 is a great gun. I took a Bull Elk at about 40 meters with one in the early 1980's. Got about a thousand pounds of meat off him. I wouldn't EVER carry a 44 on the street. Nor would I ever recommend such to a novice as the "best" gun for self defense. It kicks like Tennessee white lightnin', sounds like the crack of DOOM and is almost guaranteed to induce permanent flinch in even an experienced shooter who doesn't shoot them daily...which I might add is a good definition for masochism. I really hope you haven't been dispensing this garbage as advice to your friends....who'll probably just accept it as truth because you carry the mighty 44 just like Dirty Harry....but I suspect you do and that means I'll have to add them to my prayer list and ask that God protect them from you and your advice.

42 posted on 03/22/2006 5:49:14 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: JewishRighter

Can't go wrong with a Glock or HK USP. Someone had commented that the handgun is to get you to a safe place where your long gun is, which I agree. My long gun is not my shotgun though-its a flat top Bushy with an Aimpoint CompM, and Surefire P6, full of 50 grain frangibles. (My house has old, heavy plaster walls)
Get a decent set of electronic ear protection and wear them. I don't know if you ever have fired a gun inside in the dark, but after that first round, you can be pretty deaf and blind.


43 posted on 03/22/2006 5:56:12 AM PST by randyclark
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To: ExSoldier; XeniaSt; JewishRighter
I'm not an NRA instructor, just a lowly Life Member and CCW holder. I can remember buying my first gun 5 years ago and still feel like the guys behind the counter know waaayyy more than me.

Note to JR - Gun shop owners/trainers tend to be a-holes. I got ripped off by the two first stores I bought from. If you have a problem with a gun the day after you buy it, expect to deal with the manufacturer. I think it is because they tend to deal with some stupid people.

This board is a perfect example of the gun-guy attitude. JR asked about a DAO polymer gun in 45, and what was the first reply? Buy a shotgun, 1911, or wheel gun. Imagine if you walked on the Chevy lot wanting an Impala SS and the guy says, "no, what you need is an LT Suburban". You would leave, wouldn't you?

Here's a link to a review of the 345The only beef I have with this gun is the magazine disconnect. This means that even if you have a round in the chamber, if you take out the magazine (to reload), the gun is useless until you put another magazine in. Other than that, good for you for finding a US made non-1911 in 45.

44 posted on 03/22/2006 6:08:55 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: kerryusama04; ExSoldier; JewishRighter
ExSoldier; JewishRighter

I'm not an NRA instructor,....... Note to JR - Gun shop owners/trainers tend to be a-holes. I got ripped off by the two first stores I bought from. If you have a problem with a gun the day after you buy it, expect to deal with the manufacturer. I think it is because they tend to deal with some stupid people.

This board is a perfect example of the gun-guy attitude. JR asked about a DAO polymer gun in 45, and what was the first reply? Buy a shotgun, 1911, or wheel gun. Imagine if you walked on the Chevy lot wanting an Impala SS and the guy says, "no, what you need is an LT Suburban". You would leave, wouldn't you?

Here's a link to a review of the 345The only beef I have with this gun is the magazine disconnect. This means that even if you have a round in the chamber, if you take out the magazine (to reload), the gun is useless until you put another magazine in. Other than that, good for you for finding a US made non-1911 in 45.

44 posted on 03/22/2006 7:08:55 AM MST by kerryusama04

I am considering buying a pistol for personal, home protection. I don't expect to have any concealed carry needs/opportunities/license



A short barreled shotgun in 12Ga is a better choice for home protection than a handgun, any hand gun.

I'm not saying don't buy a hand gun. But consider a shotgun for personal protection in the home.

I would not recommend a pistol grip for a shotgun, as it is way too easy to break your wrist.

Once a year I train NRA Certified Pistol Instructors up to be NRA Certified Personal Protection in the Home Instructors.

In selecting a gun for home defense buy a "functionally reliable" gun that fires every time the trigger is pulled.

I would not recommend any pistol with a magazine safety, as all safety is with the operator of the gun.

If you follow the rules for gun handling as taught by the NRA.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

You and all around you will be safe.

A safety is a mechanical device which can and will fail.

First consider a Basic Pistol and a Personal Protection the Home course taught by an NRA Certified Instructor.

During the course you will be trained in the criteria for selecting a gun.

In addition, in the PPitH course you will spend a hour or two with a LEO or an attorney reviewing your local laws governing firearms.

b'shem Y'shua
45 posted on 03/22/2006 7:17:11 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: kerryusama04
This board is a perfect example of the gun-guy attitude. JR asked about a DAO polymer gun in 45, and what was the first reply? Buy a shotgun, 1911, or wheel gun.

Read his initial post again...carefully. He specifically stated the gun was for home defense as he did not intend to carry it on the street. What the others and I said was correct: A shotgun trumps a handgun in the self defense role. A handgun gives you survival time to reach your shotgun and remove the threat(s). Had he specifically asked about street carry then I would have responded as such...actually I gave my feedback on Ruger semiautos. The 345 is a standard sized service pistol like the H&K USP45. If I were looking for a gun made in America, compact 45 I'd go with the Glock Model 30. Not American owned but made by American workers. OTOH, An American company, Springfield Armory imports a foreign made and designed in Bosnia. The XD-45. Would that work for you? S&W makes a 45 DA, but I personally won't recommend them for personal and political reasons.

BTW, those guys behind the counter, unless they're certified instructors are all SALESMEN. They get commissions based on the number of guns they sell. They can be very savvy sounding and glib. It does NOT mean they're right. In fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Mikey_1962 was a gun salesman.

That's the classic mindset: You don't want that little 38sp. It's a toy! What you need is this $900 monster with the two or eight inch barrel.....Yeah the 2" is easier (??) to conceal, but you can knock 'em over two blocks away with the longer barrel....

46 posted on 03/22/2006 7:25:31 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: XeniaSt
A short barreled shotgun in 12Ga is a better choice for home protection than a handgun, any hand gun. I'm not saying don't buy a hand gun. But consider a shotgun for personal protection in the home. I would not recommend a pistol grip for a shotgun, as it is way too easy to break your wrist. Once a year I train NRA Certified Pistol Instructors up to be NRA Certified Personal Protection in the Home Instructors. In selecting a gun for home defense buy a "functionally reliable" gun that fires every time the trigger is pulled. I would not recommend any pistol with a magazine safety, as all safety is with the operator of the gun. If you follow the rules for gun handling as taught by the NRA. Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. You and all around you will be safe. A safety is a mechanical device which can and will fail. First consider a Basic Pistol and a Personal Protection the Home course taught by an NRA Certified Instructor. During the course you will be trained in the criteria for selecting a gun. In addition, in the PPitH course you will spend a hour or two with a LEO or an attorney reviewing your local laws governing firearms.

I agree 1000%!!!! Well said!

47 posted on 03/22/2006 7:29:20 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kerryusama04
This means that even if you have a round in the chamber, if you take out the magazine (to reload), the gun is useless until you put another magazine in.

Here's the upside to that argument: S'pose you have a very close encounter with the BG (bad guy) and you wind up in a battle for the retention of your gun...force on force. If you think you might lose, all you have to do is use your thumb to drop the mag or move it a little bit out of the mag well (many guns don't forcibly eject the mag, it sticks in the well and you have to lightly tug it out) and thus render the gun incapable of being used against you, even with a hot chamber. It's a safety device. Never EVER disable a mechanical safety!

Here's another view. If you have kids in the home, you can leave the chamber hot in the nightstand (at night or when you're home...but secure it at other times) and put the loaded mag elsewhere so that it's a simple matter to put the two together to be ready to ROCK.

48 posted on 03/22/2006 7:46:47 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier; XeniaSt
Perhaps one of you more enlightened and educated gentlemen could take a break from selling shotguns to people who want handguns to address the poster's question? Seriously, with all those certs, one of you has to have an opinion on the Ruger P345PR?

I am considering buying a pistol for personal, home protection. I don't expect to have any concealed carry needs/opportunities/license. I am pretty well settled on 45ACP as a benchmark for stopping power. I am also limiting my preferences to American manufacturers. I don't expect to do a lot of shooting, except for regular practice to maintain proficiency. I've seen a lot of discussion of various weapons and I'm really asking for views on reliability, durability, user-friendliness, safety and degree of kickback for the Ruger P345PR. If anyone suggests another American made 45, please tell me why it would be preferred over the Ruger.

My Glock 36 was made in Europe. I was incredibly surprised to find my XD's were really HS2000's. As far as I know, the only decent S&W DA 45 is the SW99, which is also imported.

My first defensive gun was a 590 and I love it. It cost $300 bucks and ammo is really cheap. It broke after thousands of shells and Mossberg fixed it and overnighted it back with no questions asked. There is no doubt that a shotgun will stop someone better than a handgun, but there are other considerations. Do you really want to blow huge holes in your walls? Do you have kids? Is your hallway big enough for a long gun to be applicable? Are you physically able and willing to put 1000's of shells through it training? Can you safely store it without making it useless for defense? Do you want to be discrete when you take your gun out of your house? Will your local range let you train (train, not stand there like a statue) with a shotgun? Will you feel like a retard shooting at targets with a shotgun?

49 posted on 03/22/2006 7:51:44 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: ExSoldier
Here's another view. If you have kids in the home, you can leave the chamber hot in the nightstand (at night or when you're home...but secure it at other times) and put the loaded mag elsewhere so that it's a simple matter to put the two together to be ready to ROCK.

I was taught by both my dad and the military not to rely on safeties, but I'm not a certified instructor, so you better take that with a grain of salt :)

Follow the link to the review of the gun in question. The author addresses the mag safety and makes both points. It is my opinion not to buy guns for defense that need the planets aligned before they fire. If you want to keep a gun safe, the only thing you can do is unload it and lock it up.

50 posted on 03/22/2006 7:58:40 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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