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What Arab Civilization?
3-22-2006 | the anti-liberal

Posted on 03/22/2006 1:25:07 PM PST by the anti-liberal

What Arab Civilization?

This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001.


November 7, 2001

Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

Dear Madame Fiorina:

It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.

You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer).

You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac; see here.)

You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.

Thank you for your consideration.

Peter BetBasoo

Web resources:

Brief History of Assyrians
Assyrian International News Agency
Assyrian American National Federation
Assyrian Academic Society
Zinda Magazine
Beth Suryoyo
Nineveh Online
World Maronite Union
Maronite Research Council
World Lebanese Organization
Coptic Web
 

Hosted here.

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A summary of the first 100 years of Islam, from the islamic server at USC. Highlighted are the few times they veered from the way of peace:

632: Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662: Khawarij revolts.
666: Raid of Sicily.
670: Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.
672: Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.
674: The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.
677: Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.
680: Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.
682: In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.
683: Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II.
684: Abdullah b Zubair declares himself aS the Caliph at'Makkah. Marwan I becomes the Caliph' at Damascus. Battle of Marj Rahat.
685: Death of Marwan I. Abdul Malik becomes the Caliph at Damascus. Battle of Ain ul Wada.
686: Mukhtar declares himself as the Caliph at Kufa.
687: Battle of Kufa between the forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah b Zubair. Mukhtar killed.
691: Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. Kufa falls to Abdul Malik.
692: The fall of Makkah. Death of Abdullah b Zubair. Abdul Malik becomes the sole Caliph.
695: Khawarij revolts in Jazira and Ahwaz. Battle of the Karun. Campaigns against Kahina in North Africa. The' Muslims once again withdraw to Barqa. The Muslims advance in Transoxiana and occupy Kish.
700: Campaigns against the Berbers in North Africa.
702: Ashath's rebellion in Iraq, battle of Deir ul Jamira.
705: Death of Abdul Malik. Accession of Walid I as Caliph.
711: Conquest of Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
712: The Muslims advance in Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
713: Conquest of Multan.
715: Death of Walid I. Accession of Sulaiman.
716: Invasion of Constantinople.
717: Death of Sulaiman. Accession of Umar b Abdul Aziz.
720: Death of Umar b Abdul Aziz. Accession of Yazid II.
724: Death of Yazid II. Accession of Hisham.
725: The Muslims occupy Nimes in France.
732: The battle of Tours in France.


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1 posted on 03/22/2006 1:25:11 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: the anti-liberal
And also here is the text from the speech given by Ms. Fiorina on September 6th, 2001.

" I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership."

2 posted on 03/22/2006 1:28:27 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal
What follows is BetBasoo's response when asked if she had ever responded to his letter:


Carly never responded. But I am sure she reacted to the letter, because -- I cannot prove this but it is extremely coincidental -- HP began an advertising campaign where a cross in the form of a plus sign was used as a symbol. This happened after I published the letter and it spread like wild fire throughout the internet.

You are more than welcome to share this letter with all of your friends.

3 posted on 03/22/2006 1:35:09 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal
Great job and perhaps you can get some of the folks with their alert lists to ping a bunch to this. It is such important mis-information corrected by historical accuracy.

I get so frustrated that so many people don't have a clue what we are up against, most especially the liberals who would be the first to loose their heads.

Thank you and a bump to the top.

4 posted on 03/22/2006 1:38:01 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill

Bump to the top.


5 posted on 03/22/2006 1:50:07 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: Congressman Billybob; HopefulPatriot; DoughtyOne; redrock
I don't know if you have ping lists or not, but this is such an important topic concerning mis-information and factual history concerning our War On Islam it needs to read and disminated in any fashion possible. If you agree please keep this thread going with your ping lists.

Thanks,
Greg Adams
Brownsville, TX

6 posted on 03/22/2006 1:55:44 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: the anti-liberal
place-marker
7 posted on 03/22/2006 2:29:27 PM PST by atlaw
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To: the anti-liberal

Why are we letting facts get in the way?


8 posted on 03/22/2006 2:33:39 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian
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To: the anti-liberal
Woulldn't it be easier (and shorter) to list the years when the muslims were not out killing, raping, burning and plundering?
9 posted on 03/22/2006 3:57:25 PM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
We're just doing our part to annoy the fact averse liberal left!
10 posted on 03/22/2006 3:57:48 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Publius6961
"Woulldn't it be easier (and shorter) to list the years when the muslims were not out killing, raping, burning and plundering?"

I'm not sure there would be anything on that list.

11 posted on 03/22/2006 3:58:49 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: ImpBill
Thanks ImpBill- just got back from my 'away mission'.

The more the merrier, as they say (and the more informative).

12 posted on 03/22/2006 4:00:59 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: admin
"September 6th, 2001" s/b September 26th, 2001

Would it be possible to get that fixed?

Thanks

13 posted on 03/22/2006 4:12:08 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Yeah well.......l'il Ms. Fiorina got her lovely little ass bounced out of the Big Office, too. She was a twit; always has been.

So much for her ...as usual, uninformed..........opinions.


14 posted on 03/22/2006 4:23:26 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: the anti-liberal

For some reason on the blog forum this just isn't getting the legs I thought it would. Bump to the top.


15 posted on 03/22/2006 4:27:19 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: RightOnline
Hmmm, I wonder if the HP 'cross' campaign started before or after her ass bounced?
16 posted on 03/22/2006 4:28:41 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Good question.........


17 posted on 03/22/2006 4:31:09 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: ImpBill
"For some reason on the blog forum this just isn't getting the legs I thought it would."

I guess folks are just more interested in 'news' than 'blogs'.

I'll continue to post the letter in relevant threads, you (and anyone else) are welcome to as well, should you choose to do so.

18 posted on 03/22/2006 4:31:18 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Bump


19 posted on 03/22/2006 4:31:25 PM PST by Liberator
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To: the anti-liberal

Incidently, 145+ have at least viewed this thread so far at this time, even if only a few have posted.


20 posted on 03/22/2006 4:35:03 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: ImpBill
Will get to work on some 'pinging' for this very important work.

Thanks,

redrock

21 posted on 03/22/2006 8:42:37 PM PST by redrock ("How God Created us...I have no real Idea. Telling God how He 'has to do things'...is not my way")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Some nice information here....

redrock

22 posted on 03/22/2006 8:56:59 PM PST by redrock ("How God Created us...I have no real Idea. Telling God how He 'has to do things'...is not my way")
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To: the anti-liberal

bttt


23 posted on 03/23/2006 4:04:06 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: redrock

Thanks - if you know FReepers who can add to this information perhaps you could request the sharing of a little of it?


24 posted on 03/23/2006 1:18:41 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

this is a former queen of lucent. had you been there you would have understood. revisionist multiculti at its worst.


25 posted on 03/23/2006 7:45:54 PM PST by drlevy88
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Are you saying she her 'pretty little ass' was bounced out of Lucent Tech before it was bounced out of HP? LOL

Morbid curiousity drives me to wonder what she's up to now.

26 posted on 03/23/2006 7:53:22 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

bookmark and bump^


27 posted on 03/30/2006 8:22:41 PM PST by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: the anti-liberal
Bumpity.

Excellent post.

28 posted on 03/31/2006 10:37:48 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Thanks, and thanks for the bumpity. :^)


29 posted on 03/31/2006 11:36:13 AM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal
Why do people dis on Islam? It's not that bad. Other than you can't wear gold, can't have a dog for a pet, can't play a musical instrument, can't listen to music or watch TV, can't have pictures or take pictures of animate objects, must wipe your butt a certain way, must wash a certain way, must pray to a rock 5 times a day and have to visit the rock at some point and maybe get trampled, can't gamble, can't drink, can't masturbate, can't borrow money with interest, can't buy insurance and basically can't do much of anything unless the imam tells you it's OK.

On the upside you can rape and kill folks. When you kill folks it's best to do so by running planes in to buildings or hiding behind stuff and watching your bombs blow up people.

So, as everyone can see, islam only sucks about 99.99% of the time.

30 posted on 03/31/2006 2:17:06 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Let's quit electing little rich kids that don't now the value of a dollar!)
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To: isthisnickcool
Yes, exactly, people just don't understand, if they did, they'd be flocking to join in droves!


31 posted on 03/31/2006 2:26:28 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; ...





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32 posted on 04/15/2006 9:20:23 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: the anti-liberal

http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm

Brief History of Assyrians

Peter BetBasoo

(snip)

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world. The School of Nisibis had three departments: theology, philosophy and medicine, and became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based.

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization which became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

But this great Assyrian Christian civilization would come to an end in 1300 A.D. The tax which the Arabs levied on Christians, simply for just being Christian, forced many Assyrians to convert to Islam to avoid the tax; this inexorably drained the community, so that by the time Timurlane the Mongol delivered the final blow in 1300 A.D., by violently destroying most cities in the Middle East, the Assyrian Christian community had dwindled to its core in Assyria, and henceforth the Assyrian Church of the East would not regain its former glory, and the Assyrian language, which had been the lingua franca of the Middle East until 900 A.D., was completely supplanted by Arabic (except amongst the Assyrians). This, from 1300 A.D. until World War One, became the second Assyrian dark age.

(Read more on the Peter Betbasoo Assyrian History site.)


33 posted on 04/15/2006 10:15:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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BTTT!


34 posted on 04/16/2006 2:31:29 PM PDT by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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35 posted on 04/16/2006 3:07:46 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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This is a significant piece of information. Thanks for posting it, the anti-liberal.


36 posted on 04/16/2006 3:26:56 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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"Thanks for posting it, the anti-liberal."

You're welcome! :^)

And thanks for the 'toon.

37 posted on 04/16/2006 3:35:34 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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For those of you who are interested, this is an excellent read, in my opinion:

Islam: A False Religion (An Iranian on Islam)

"Prophet Mohammed was an extremely violent man, a man of war. Historically, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses. The opposite is true of Prophet Muhammad. That is why we see so many suicide bombers in our era. They simply are following what the prophet of Islam had planned for them. Islam rewards those who become martyrs with 72 virgins. So, sex is what the Arab Muslim murderers die for. It is all about sex. This must tell us a lot about the prophet's own appetite for sex. He did not spare anyone; even 9 year old girls were not immune to his sexual wrath. Worshiping a sex-maniac and a child molester? I think NOT.

"Muslims are true victims of Islam. However, they fail to realize that Islam is a cult, and the prophet was a demon, possessed by a huge sexual appetite. Yes, true Muslims firmly believe, that those who die in the act of killing the infidels (Christians, Jews and other non-believers) will not only gain entrance into heaven, but will be greeted by 72 virgin women - most likely, seventy-two 9 year old girls."


"Many Islamic scholars vow that Islam is a religion of logic, wisdom, moderation and peace. They vow that Islam invites people towards insight and knowledge and uplifts the position of women in society. This is far from the truth. Islam cannot stand what is logical and it does not invite people towards insight, but entraps humans with a deadly poison. Once one becomes Muslim, there is no way out.

"Islam is about forcing women to wear the "hejab" the symbol of backwardness, stupidity and fanaticism. Women are second class citizens in the Muslim world. The prophet Muhammad takes his 9 year old wife to bed. What kind of man, not to mention a prophet of God, would commit such horrible act of pedophilia? (READ MORE - Muhammad & His Wives, So Many of Them) The Quran says women are to be beaten by their husbands, yet Muslim women apparently are fine with this violence, or they could not wait to divorce Islam and run away. Quran says four wives are allowed but Muhammad had at least 20 or even more. They say, in paradise, women are chained in different areas for men's pleasure."

38 posted on 04/16/2006 3:57:39 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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An excellent read. As I've been saying, Islam merely feeds off the corpse of the civilizations it destroys.

Islam is garbage.

39 posted on 04/16/2006 4:07:40 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic
"An excellent read."

Thank you for reading.

The more folks come to understand the nature of Islam as a 'culture' of deceit and entitlement, the greater our chances of standing firm against the threat it imposes.

So please, by all means, spread the word.

40 posted on 04/16/2006 4:19:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: rageaholic

That is true. For some reason, people everywhere credit Islam with the resurgence in studies of Aristotle, etc. But it is Christian Spain that deserves the credit.

In the power void left by the collapse of Rome and the fragmentation of the Church under the Arian heresy, Islam took over ME areas that were very scientifically advanced and already studied Aristotle (Baghdad,for example) and in addition, invaded Spain, where Christians in Andalucia had been the one bright light in the Dark Ages.

The Dark Ages were the result of the invasion by Germanic barbarian tribes of Romanized parts of Europe, including Spain. During this time, Isidore of Sevilla - who is the patron saint of the Internet - published his compendium of all human knowledge, particularly focusing on Aristotle and the Greek scientist-philosophers. This was in the 7th century, less than 100 years before the Muslim invasion. He also was instrumental in defeating Arianism, the heresy upon which Islam is based.

The famous School (or Association) of Translators of Toledo was formed by Alfonso X, a Christian Spanish king who employed Christian, Jewish and Arab scholars in his translation of Scripture and ancient texts. Muslims, after their brief contact with Christian Classical scholarship, had given it up because more orthodox anti-knowledge Islamic groups from North Africa regarded them as corrupt and heretical and conquered them, also driving out the scholars.


41 posted on 04/16/2006 4:29:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: drlevy88; the anti-liberal
For any woman to write this breathlessly of another culture usually means that she was in bed with it.

Literally.

42 posted on 04/16/2006 8:10:55 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: the anti-liberal

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003415/posts


43 posted on 04/17/2006 12:02:44 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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"Mohammed had been out in the hot sun too long and was not thinking all that clearly during most of his sermons."

Thanks for the much needed 'humor'!

44 posted on 04/17/2006 6:41:57 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

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45 posted on 06/16/2006 2:11:36 PM PDT by wizardoz
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Thank you for your patronage, please come again!

:^)

46 posted on 06/16/2006 2:42:34 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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bttt


47 posted on 09/23/2006 6:41:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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BTTT

Excellent read.


48 posted on 09/30/2006 3:09:42 PM PDT by Sister_T (Defend America ... Defeat DEMOCRATS!!!! Go Ken Blackwell Go!!)
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To: Just mythoughts; Sister_T
Thanks for the bump!

Glad you enjoyed it - pass the word! The more folks who understand this the better.

49 posted on 09/30/2006 3:28:46 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal

bttt (you are welcome)


50 posted on 09/30/2006 4:12:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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