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LETS GO AFTER THOSE THAT HIRE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
3/28/06 | BOB HARAN

Posted on 03/29/2006 1:59:58 AM PST by Bob Haran

By Bob Haran; The recent marches in opposition to Rep. James Sensenbrener’s bill, H.R. 4437, that would make it a felony to be in the country illegally, has raised a question in my mind.

Why don't we make the people responsible for causing people to enter our country illegally, felons? Congress should amend H.R. 4437 and instead of making it a felony to be in the country illegally, make it a felony to illegally hire someone in the country illegally. To make people who are for the most part, law abiding, into felons, is ludicrous. Why does our government refuse to go after the real law breakers, the employers that illegally hire and profit from using undocumented workers?

Let's enforce all our immigration laws.

Bob Haran, Phoenix www.Bob-Haran.info


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To: Bob Haran

I agree. If the Left is so upset about turning "poor undocumented" immigrants into felons and putting them in jail, surely they won't object to us imprisoning some greedy capitalists instead. That should help to stem the problem and make the Marxists happy at the same time.


21 posted on 03/29/2006 3:09:57 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (No coded message in my tagline)
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To: SLB
I do not advocate any type of open borders, I simply state the obvious, in fact I support the Minuteman project financially. I simply want to know who will you get to do the work the illegals do?

Did you not know they are millions of Americans just dying to pick fruit and bus tables in this country, all which would be happy to do it for minimum wage.....

22 posted on 03/29/2006 3:11:01 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Californiajones
I'm afraid employer identification will only happen at the grass roots level: private citizens taking their own time and money to investigate and publish the names of the businesses who hire illegals.

And we have to jump through hoops: freedom of information act requests for information, tolerating threats from business owners who don't want their slave labor disrupted and our corrupt politicians on the take from these businesses.

It's all about money and power.

I'm still getting over the fact that the problem is as bad as it is and our politicians simply refuse to deal with it effectively, fairly and in accordance with the law because they don't want to risk losing a few thousand Hispanic votes and few million in campaign funds.

23 posted on 03/29/2006 3:33:01 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Timeout
Many are ignoring the problem of forged documents. I was an employer in California until 12 years ago. I was virtually certain I had illegals on my payroll, but they had "green cards

You're right. Thsy get their fake papers on the way up here. It wouldn't be practical: the only way to confidently avoid hiring illegals would be to avoid hiring hispanics, and that will get employers sued for racism.

24 posted on 03/29/2006 3:37:58 AM PST by Yeti ("He might be drunk!")
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To: SLB

There will be work left undone. So what?


25 posted on 03/29/2006 3:40:34 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Always Right
Did you not know they are millions of Americans just dying to pick fruit and bus tables in this country, all which would be happy to do it for minimum wage

Where? I know one horse farmer who tried to get someone to help out on his farm for $3.00 over the minimum wage and could not find a worker. There is a building contractor who needed roofers, where did he find them? Not at the employment office or in the paper, no one applied and he paid over the minimum wage and had benefits just for helpers. When he did get someone, they did not know how to read a tape measure let alone do simple math.

26 posted on 03/29/2006 3:41:23 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Always Right
Hmmmmmm? Sell less stuff?

Hey, that stuff's all coming from China anyway, so maybe that's a really good idea. Then, too, with the Mexicans back in Mexico maybe they can start making stuff to send here that we can can sell. And vice versa.

With all these illegals depressing the wage rates for the poorest Americans, and also denying their own homeland their skills and talents, the folks at the bottom in two countries are being hurt, and for what? For Chinese products?

Time to fix the problem.

27 posted on 03/29/2006 3:43:42 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: SLB

Ssshhhh. I was being a bit sarcastic. Fruit farmers have been hiring Mexicans for decades and decades because no one is willing to do the work for any reasonable price.


28 posted on 03/29/2006 3:44:19 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Bob Haran

I like Rush's take on Congress not being able to enforce immigration laws, so therefore ignoring them. Which laws can WE ignore - IRS??? If 12 million of us decided to ignore tax law, would they be able to enforce it?


29 posted on 03/29/2006 3:44:39 AM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: SLB

Many of the employers cannot afford to pay much more than the minimum wage, so who will they hire?

That's true now but only because their competition pays low wages. If their were a real shortage of workers, the wages would rise and more loafers would decide that those jobs are worth doing. Illegals aren't doing the jobs Americans don't want they're pushing wages so low that Americans don't want those jobs. Another way of looking at it is if lawyers were paid $5/hr would Americans want that job?


30 posted on 03/29/2006 3:44:51 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Bob Haran
He's in Mexico right now consulting with his boss, Vincente Fox.

That's right, jefe, sign here and the country is yours.

It hasn't happened, yet. Might as well have though.

31 posted on 03/29/2006 3:45:27 AM PST by csvset
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To: Bob Haran

Deport every one of them and their obnoxious, disrespectful kids, place the National Guard on the border armed with orders to shoot to kill anyone not obeying their orders to stop, anyone still here make it a felony to be here UNDOCUMENTED and fine the employers who try to employ them illegally and who try to pay below minimum wage.

And do it NOW!! Those are my demands as a American taxpaying Citizen!!

Let's not play with those that would sell us out in Washington who import poverty so we taxpayers can support them. If Washington wants to import poverty make them pay out of their income!!!!! Not US!! We didnt ask for the welfare bums to be imported make every employer and every politician starting with the President to pay and support the UNDOCUMENTED bums and their punks and dont make us do it!!


32 posted on 03/29/2006 3:45:35 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: SLB

He should have offered "way over" the minimum wage. That's the ticket. There's nothing in the law that guarantees any business person the right to pay only the minimum wage.


33 posted on 03/29/2006 3:46:30 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
With all these illegals depressing the wage rates for the poorest Americans

Most illegals in this country are making $10-20 per hour.

34 posted on 03/29/2006 3:48:02 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Bob Haran
I love those who want to blame it all on the President. hellary would do so much better.

I don't like illegals, but W is doing what he campaigned on. If the demonstartions, and all the mexican flags don't scare all of us, we are not paying attention.

35 posted on 03/29/2006 3:48:14 AM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: Always Right
"Any reasonable price"? What kind of price is that? Isn't this a market driven economy?

Producers and merchants unwilling to participate in capitalism in this country should be driven from business as soon as possible.

This is not France!

36 posted on 03/29/2006 3:48:15 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Bob Haran

I think there is something else which is influencing our non-enforcement of the immigration laws: oil imports. If you look at the top 15 countries exporting oil to the U.S., Mexico is second (1.701 mbd) right behind Canada at 1.768 mbd. Could it be a fear of losing this oil?


37 posted on 03/29/2006 3:48:15 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: Bob Haran
Exactly right! I've said this many times. There should be a one year mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who employs an illegal.

And, Congress should also make it a federal crime to provide taxpayer-funded services to illegals, except medical service in life-threatening situations.

There are two main reasons illegals come here. Employment, and taxpayer-funded social benefits like medical care and education. Dry up those two wells and we won't have to worry about the cost of deporting illegals...the illegals will leave on their own.

Right now, the problem of illegals is just that...a problem. In ten to fifteen years the problem of illegals will be a national economic and crime disaster.
38 posted on 03/29/2006 3:50:28 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: freedomfiter2
Another way of looking at it is if lawyers were paid $5/hr would Americans want that job?

You really think illegals work for $5 per hour? Illegals make much better money than that.

39 posted on 03/29/2006 3:50:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
They are depressing the wage rate. That $10 to $20 per hour would be higher. Did you ever try to rent a house in a market where the prices have been bid up to a minimum of $500 K for a 2 bedroom?

No economic system other than NAZISM ever proposed offering merchants and manufacturers a maximum cost of doing business (SEE Hitler's last NAZI party platform before taking over the government).

It's long overdue for these guys to adopt Capitalism.

40 posted on 03/29/2006 3:52:10 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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