Skip to comments.Can We Please Stop Using This Argument?
Posted on 04/10/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by B-Chan
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Cut off welfare after six months and see how fast those paying jobs are taken by americans.
Can we secure our borders? Si se puede!!
Illegal immigrants do take jobs Americans don't want. Prostitute. Sweat shop worker. Labor for less than the going rate. No benefits, no taxes withheld. It would be more efficient to put the employers behind bars than to try to round up all the illegals.
Ya know, my mother for years paid $60.00 to an illegal alien from Mexico to come and clean her house. She paid her in cash and the people who have house cleaning businesses who are legal Americans lose out on business. Not saying my mom was wrong cause I loved her housekeeper Maria, but this proves the point that Mexicans aren't taking jobs that Americans won't do,it is that Mexicans take less pay that legal American's can do.
It is time to seal the borders. America would be so much stronger if we would keep our borders closed to illegals!
The illegals are on welfare the bill that Senate passes should take away ALL welfare from them.
A. He has no clue - this is obvious B. He just doesn't care C. Both A & B
Another line that needs to stop, "we can't just deport all of the illegals, there are too many of them".
Bullshirt. Lets expand that line:
We can't arrest all the pot smokers, there are too many of them.
We can't arrest all the rapists, there are too many of them.
We can't arrest all the speeders, there are too many of them.
We can't arrest all the crack sellers, there are too many of them.
We can't arrest all the tax cheaters, there are too many of them.
I think you get my point.
Maybe it's time for us to play the race card?
"Illgal aliens are taking away the jobs blacks used to do."
Gads, that's racist. I sound like a frigging democrat....
"Cut off welfare after six months and see how fast those paying jobs are taken by americans"
Umm I see. Wishful thinking and fantasy and yet another Immigration thread given to the same old slef validating ranting instead of a SERIOUS discussion based on the Economics of the issue.
Good luck getting that thru either the local, the State or the Federal Govt.
"Ya know, my mother for years paid $60.00 to an illegal alien from Mexico to come and clean her house."
As I am hearing lately, I bet Maria paid her taxes on that and the other money she made, right? Right? Yea right!
I say we all go to Yuma and take McLame up on his offer for $50 an hour to pick lettuce!
I have worked construction in Tucson, Phoenix, Yuma, Bullhead City and Laughlin Nevada.. It's hot but I can do it, I was run out because of the illegals.
Don't you know silly? All of those good hard-working Americans who just gave up looking for work in this depressed Bush economy are just waiting to bust out of the gates to go to work under a Democrat Administration.
This is the worst Economy since Herbert Hoover, dammit! Didn't you listen to a thing John Kerry said last year?
$60 for how many hours of work?
Yep. The majority of murderers, thieves, pot smokers, speeders, rapists, crack sellers and tax thieves are never caught.
There are too many of them.
"Yep. The majority of murderers, thieves, pot smokers, speeders, rapists, crack sellers and tax thieves are never caught.
There are too many of them."
You get caught doing any one of those things and see where you end up! Thats my point.
Since Hawaii is pretty hard for Mexicans to sneak into, I wonder how it is they manage to harvest fruit and how any hotels and restaurants there can possibly survive.
Remember the old song from West Side Story?
I want to be in A-me-ri-ca
OK by me in A-me-ri-ca
Everything free in A-me-ri-ca
Color TV in A-me-ri-ca!
I therefore propose that we, as a nation, retire the "Illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do/don't want" argument.
This is patent nonsense.
Anybody using this argument either has no grasp of economics or is being disingenuous due to the presence of an ulterior motive. (Them's yer two choices, so take yer pick, Mr. Bush.)
The truth hurts. Put them on the public teat, get them happily nestled in the ranks of Democrat voters and make room for the Moooslims to become the next civil rights abusee.
is there some type of Laffer Curve to measure just how much crap the taxpayer will take before he finally say's enough is enough with regards to the loss of our identity?
I wrote this letter to my three members of Congress today:
Dear Mr. Renzi, Senator McCain and Senator Kyl -- I'm sorry; I am pissed. I am incensed. I am nauseated at what I have witnessed today. These "sea of humanity" demonstrations by illegals, and especially the speeches by leaders who are certifiably communist; the overnight changeover from Mexican to American flags (where did all those flags come from; who bought them?). It is such a sham. And to have people who are breaking the law with every step they take in this land lecturing us about injustice. I tell you, I am nauseated by it.
I am a democrat, but haven't voted for a democrat for any national office for a long time. That party no longer cares about our country. They are not patriotic, whatsoever.
Please help me out here, help me and my wife to cope with what we are witnessing. Where is the conservative backbone in Congress?
HERE IS MY SOLUTION -- it is radical, but fair and comprehensive: Build a BIG steel wall, like Israel's. Build it a mile inside our border so the Mexican army cannot sidle up alongside or sabotage it or undermine it; make the mile between the wall and the mexican border a no-go zone. Build it double, with 100 yards of minefield in between. Build the inner wall of standard chainlink fence, as it need not be so formidable as the wall facing mexico.
Invite illegals already in America to come down, by the tens of thousands, to work on the wall, a month at a time, decent wages. Document them, then and there. Anyone who works on the wall a total of 6 months, whether off-and-on, or straight through, gets to come through INS legally, go straight to the head of the line, and bring spouse and children with them. They get to be citizens of the USA, on a special case basis.
Radical? Yes. But, if we don't have a border that means something (like every other country in the world), then we don't have a country. Please do something, quickly. The initiative has been stolen already. We need it back. We want our country back.
Another stupid argument that needs to be canned is the idiotic, "we're a nation of immigrants." In fact, the vast majority of the CITIZENS living the United States were BORN HERE! Very, very few are actual immigrants. So, can everyone please disabuse yourself of this mistaken idea and stop using this worthless argument? (Yes, that means you, Mr. President.)
Why can't we all join in on this lawlessness? Chaos and anarchy does benefit some people, why not be the beneficiary?
It is better to allow lawlessness to continue. Now don't judge me. Think before you act. You don't want some proto-police state going around and prosecuting crimes/ruling our lives now do you. I didn't think so.
But it does sort of remind me of a Hogan's Heroes episode, where they were conscripted to build a bridge. Hogan made some aside comment to the effect that it would be the first bridge with a built in bomb...
Funny how the liberals support corporate welfare for their causes and ends.
"It would be more efficient to put the employers behind bars than to try to round up all the illegals."
Why should an employer have to check on the legality of employees, when the federal government won't do it? Which one has the resources? If an illegal alien isn't hired by Employer A, won't he just go down the road to Employers B, C and D? Isn't it more efficient for the feds to stop him before he starts making the rounds?
It is, unfortunately for this article, a valid argument, especially in the case of food.
Ironically, the author steps on his own member: Anybody using this argument either has no grasp of economics or is being disingenuous due to the presence of an ulterior motive.
The economics are these: Americans might do the backbreaking agricultural jobs, but not for the wages at which illegals will do them. American farmers are operating on very thin margins and competing with foreign producers, so they've got a strong incentive to minimize their payroll costs -- hence the strong demand for illegal labor.
Farmers MIGHT automate -- but in that case, Americans still wouldn't be doing those jobs. Or the farmers might just go belly up -- again no agricultural jobs.
Sorry, the article dies on its own poor assumptions.
Looked to me like the Dallas Area Rapid Transit System (DART) was well able to handle shuttling 100's of thousands of people to and from that gathering on Sunday.
It's just a matter of where the bus stops...
The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers
inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists'
abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees.
Here's an interesting new thread on new legal reform progress that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:
We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well. Isn't it the
neighborly thing to do?
What did they do in the south after slavery was abolished? Invented machines that more efficiently processed cotton than humans could.
According to the BLS, that 5% does not inclued handicaps and infirm, those incarcerated, nor does it include those voluntarily unemployed (housewives, retirees, et c.,. Explanations of the various measures of unemployment can be found at the BLS website.
The actual number of adults over the age of 16 not currently employed in America is 81.1 million (that number does include the infirm, the incarcerated, skid-row junkies, the disabled, home-makers, retirees).
"So just strictly on ECONOMICS, not who is right or who is wrong, where do we get the replacement workers to fill the Illegals jobs after they are deported?"
Maybe we'll find that some of these jobs aren't needed. Maybe we'll find that the shortage of workers will create the incentive to find a better way to do some things. Maybe we'll find that increasing the number of legal immigrants is a good idea. Maybe the birth rate will increase because of the better opportunities available.
"Are Undocumented Immigrants Taking Jobs from Blacks?"
Philadelphia Tribune beat you to it. Not by much, though ;)
Sorry Jay, you are "My ideas are perfect everyone else is wrong" Freeper on this one. Your arguement is based on assumptions you accept. Fine, that doesn't make them facts, they are simply one side's "data". Good for you that you believe them.
Too bad they are far too one sided to be considered serious scholarship.
How is this for an argument?
Everybody knows it, but somehow we never see it on TV or in print.
Liberals want to legitimize immigrants of any stripe because they see them as potential votes.
Poor people (immigrants usually qualify as poor) can't afford things because they have no money and so they vote for politicians who promise them free stuff.
Illegal immigrants represent a great voting block prize for socialists, communists, fascists, and big government types because liberals can keep them poor and forever on the Democrat plantation.
Democrats resist tooth and nail any notion that voters should be able to identify themselves legally when voting , and that the voters should be proficient in the English language.
Why don't we wear out that argument for a while?
I'll be damned!
"Let's punish the criminal employers of Illegals."
It is more efficient to have the feds stop the illegal at the border than to ask every employer to stop every illegal at the workplace.
Illegal immigration is a set aside and affirmative action for illegal Mexicans to flood our country. There are millions upon millions of Europeans, Blacks and Asians who would come here legally, but they have no say in the matter, they will be punished because of the illegal Mexican border jumpers getting preference.
Why, because illegal Mexicans are in your face and the Quislings in our government are selling out America hoping for a Hispanic block vote payoff down the road.
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