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Chertoff plays down border incursion reports [January 18, 2006]
News Clip from Daily Bulletin ^ | 01-18-06 | Mason Stockstill

Posted on 04/19/2006 2:28:03 PM PDT by robowombat

Chertoff plays down border incursion reports By Mason Stockstill, Staff Writer

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Wednesday played down reports outlining hundreds of border incursions by the Mexican military over the last 10 years. Chertoff, speaking to reporters in Washington, D.C., acknowledged that the Border Patrol has long known of crossings by uniformed troops, which some agents in border states say shows a level of collusion between Mexican military officers and drug-smuggling cartels.

But he suggested that many of the incursions could have been innocent mistakes -- such as authorities in Mexico crossing into the United States in desert areas where the actual dividing line between the countries is unclear -- or criminals wearing camouflage outfits being confused with actual soldiers.

"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said. "I asked the chief of the Border Patrol about it. The number has not increased; in fact, it had decreased a little bit."

The Daily Bulletin first reported on Sunday that the Border Patrol has tracked 216 such incursions by Mexican military or police forces since 1996. The highest total was in 2002, when 40 such crossings were recorded; in 2005, the number was nine.

Chertoff largely confirmed those numbers, saying incursions had averaged "approximately 20 a year" over the last 10 years. He also said that reports of corruption among Mexican troops were true.

"We do have instances where we have Mexican police or military who have deserted and become involved with criminal activity," Chertoff said. "But we've also had bad cops in the United States, too. It happens."

He said the United States and Mexico have a collaborative relationship, and called the idea that incursions were a serious problem "scare tactics."

Rafael Laveaga, a spokesman for the Mexican consulate, has denied that any incursions by Mexican military have taken place.

T.J. Bonner, the president of the National Border Patrol Council, dismissed Chertoff's comments as uninformed.

"Were he to go out there on actual patrol with Border Patrol agents ... and experience what we experience -- where you encounter a group of highly trained, very well-armed Mexican soldiers coming across our border, and your closest backup is an hour or more away -- I think he would be a lot more concerned about it," he said.

Bonner rejected the idea that the incursions might be innocent mistakes, noting that the number of times the U.S. Border Patrol has accidentally crossed into Mexico is far lower.

He also blasted Chertoff for belittling the number of incidents.

"For him to say this is only a few hundred -- come on," Bonner said. "One is far too many."


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KEYWORDS: aliens; border; bordersecurity; bushsfault; chertoff; dhs; headinsand; ramosandcompean; saraacarter
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"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said. "I asked the chief of the Border Patrol about it. The number has not increased; in fact, it had decreased a little bit."
1 posted on 04/19/2006 2:28:05 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Chertoff is the new Iraqi minister of information...


2 posted on 04/19/2006 2:30:12 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: robowombat

Oh sure, I can see it now. "Oh, senior' was that the Rio Grande? I'm so sorry. It won't happen again."


3 posted on 04/19/2006 2:31:13 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: robowombat
T.J. Bonner, the president of the National Border Patrol Council, dismissed Chertoff's comments as uninformed.

Chertoff was clueless as to his role post-Katrina, and he's clueless when it comes to the border. Bush should replace him with a former military type who knows how to act - the only military role Chertoff seems to emulate is Sgt. Schultz.

4 posted on 04/19/2006 2:31:58 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: dirtboy
From the same newspaper on the same day.

"Police face Mexican military, smugglers Armed standoff along U.S. border By Sara A. Carter and Kenneth Todd Ruiz, Staff Writers
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers had an armed standoff with nearly 30 U.S. law enforcement officials on the Rio Grande in Texas Monday afternoon, according to Texas police and the FBI."
5 posted on 04/19/2006 2:32:51 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

""I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said."


The man is not dealing with the real world. He needs to be retired and replaced by someone who is going to take on the Mexican military when they cross the border.


6 posted on 04/19/2006 2:33:13 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: dirtboy
I don't think there was any error on the Pres. part in picking Chertoff for DHS. He is performing in exactly as is desired.
7 posted on 04/19/2006 2:34:03 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
But he suggested that many of the incursions could have been innocent mistakes -- such as authorities in Mexico crossing into the United States in desert areas where the actual dividing line between the countries is unclear

Shows how well our border is secured. Cherthoff admits there are areas on the border that are unclear let alone protected. But, I could have told him that. Maybe he should get a clue and realize that this is not an excuse but one of the very reasons that some people are upset about Mexican military incursions in the first place.

8 posted on 04/19/2006 2:34:58 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: TexanToTheCore
He needs to be retired and replaced by someone who is going to take on the Mexican military when they cross the border.

Bush will never appoint anyone that wants the border secured.

9 posted on 04/19/2006 2:34:58 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: robowombat
I don't think there was any error on the Pres. part in picking Chertoff for DHS. He is performing in exactly as is desired.

Chertoff was a hurried 2nd pick after Bernie Kerik went down in flames. And it shows.

10 posted on 04/19/2006 2:35:39 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: robowombat
I don't think there was any error on the Pres. part in picking Chertoff for DHS. He is performing in exactly as is desired.

The man looks like he needs a few good meals......

Forest Gump's mama had it right.....

"stupid is as stupid does".....

Bush is the Gump president......he just happened to be in office on 9-11.

11 posted on 04/19/2006 2:37:05 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: Marine Inspector
Bush will never appoint anyone that wants the border secured.

Must...not...succomb...to...buyer's...remorse. Must...resist....

Damn, couldn't do it.

12 posted on 04/19/2006 2:37:09 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Rakkasan1

Let Chertoff enjoy his last fifteen seconds. He will probably be the next one asked to turn in his resignation.


13 posted on 04/19/2006 2:37:09 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Rakkasan1
This one reason they are washed up. This hack should go along with that press idiot ! It's scary to note that this dope is the head of a security dept. Come out west and listen to the men and women on the front. They tell a very different story. The Bushies will never understand that their view of one corporate nation will not happen. Their march to destroy the middle class must be stopped.
14 posted on 04/19/2006 2:37:11 PM PDT by fantom
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To: Marine Inspector

Bingo. You said the magic words and the duck comes down and gives you fifty pesos.


15 posted on 04/19/2006 2:37:36 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: fantom
Actually Certoff and the Prez and those around him do know what is going on. As the bunnry rabbit that is a joke symbols says 'I know how you feel. I just don't care.' And they don't and the figure that money and muscle and political back scratching will prevail and you senior are just an impediment they can safely ignore. Have a nice day in a new third world country Mexifornicata.
16 posted on 04/19/2006 2:41:48 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Rakkasan1

Baghdad Mike.


17 posted on 04/19/2006 2:41:59 PM PDT by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: ARCADIA
Let Chertoff enjoy his last fifteen seconds. He will probably be the next one asked to turn in his resignation.

Cherty, you're doing a helluva job!"

On its face, a Cherthoff resignation sounds like a good thing. In reality, if we follow the trend (Ridge, then Cherthoff) our next one will be even worse. Given Bush's track record, I wouldn't put it past him to quickly promote incompetent political appointee (is that nepotism I smell) Julie Myers to the position.

18 posted on 04/19/2006 2:42:43 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: robowombat

The fish stinks from the head.


19 posted on 04/19/2006 2:42:47 PM PDT by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: robowombat

I can't argue with you , we are there . I will say however the folks who think that this is not spreading are fooling themselves. Wait until they are introduced to the M13 from El Salvador. Well at least we can still get cheap lettuce.


20 posted on 04/19/2006 2:48:52 PM PDT by fantom
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To: robowombat
"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said. "I asked the chief of the Border Patrol about it. The number has not increased; in fact, it had decreased a little bit."

I can imagine this conversation:

Chertoff: "Chief, the number of incursions by the Mexican military has gone down. RIGHT?"

21 posted on 04/19/2006 4:30:52 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: robowombat
Chertoff is ignorant, bipolar, and/or corrupt.
22 posted on 04/19/2006 4:33:51 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Spiff
Must...not...succomb...to...buyer's...remorse. Must...resist.... Damn, couldn't do it.

I know the feeling!

23 posted on 04/19/2006 5:07:15 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: robowombat
Damn, only 50 pesos; how am I supposed to retire on that?
24 posted on 04/19/2006 5:08:42 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: TexanToTheCore

The department needs to be retired. It is nothing but an expensive bureaucracy put in place to usurp authority from the American people. Look at its lineage. Before 9/11 ever happened the Rand Corporation and the CSIS came up with this cabinet level department. When 9/11 occurred all theny needed was the signature of the president to open shop. If that doesn't sound fishy to you, it sure seems odd to me.

The NGOs, Rand and CSIS, of course have been given the lions share of the money to set the department up. This constitutes a public/private partnership that is the antithesis of a free government. The DOH duplicates the role of other cabinet level departments, and the design is such that, if you have been watching, it starts to take over other government offices with elected officials running them to replace them with appointed bureaucrats. This separates them from oversight by the voters and creates an entrenched bureaucracy that empowers the NGOs it uses to fulfill its mission. Not a good thing for a free republic.


25 posted on 04/19/2006 5:11:32 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: robowombat

Cherty needs to take a hunting trip with the VP.

It's wabbit season...


26 posted on 04/19/2006 5:47:35 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The department needs to be retired.

From the get go, the title "Homeland Security" smacked of Germany in 1939 or the Soviet Union in 1960.

When I first heard the proposed title for the new department I simply shook my head and thought: Some one in DC has waaaay too much time on their hands!.

After the queerly titled Patriot Act was unveiled and the DHS reorganization was announced, my suspicions were confirmed.

27 posted on 04/19/2006 5:58:06 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: robowombat
Chertoff is just a Bush lackey and typical dum sh-t bureaucrat saying what he is told to say.
28 posted on 04/19/2006 6:09:07 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: robowombat
Chertoff is just a Bush lackey and typical dum sh-t bureaucrat saying what he is told to say.
29 posted on 04/19/2006 6:09:09 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: robowombat

So build a fence, you bozo. The Israelis don't have a problem knowing where their border is, now that the fence is there. Neither do the Indians. These US government apologists for Mexican criminals should be fired. They are obviously not prepared to keep the invaders out.


30 posted on 04/19/2006 6:13:54 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
"So build a fence, you bozo. "

Yep Build it High and Wide!

Take the money we were sending the palestinians and put it to the fence, the money seized from groups that front for terrorist...to the wall.

Take every able bodied illegal male, you catch and make him build 100' of wall, 25' high, 30' wide...and then set his butt on the south side of it and say Adios!

31 posted on 04/19/2006 6:20:34 PM PDT by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: robowombat; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


Clueless in D.C. Ping!

32 posted on 04/19/2006 11:01:07 PM PDT by HiJinx (Secure Our Borders ~ Now.)
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To: HiJinx

Bump!


33 posted on 04/19/2006 11:13:34 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Rakkasan1

My vote for post of the day!


34 posted on 04/19/2006 11:19:29 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: robowombat

Michael Chertoff is an embarassment to this administration. My prayers are for his speedy replacement and soon.


35 posted on 04/19/2006 11:21:14 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: Marine Inspector
Bush will never appoint anyone that wants the border secured.

You hit the nail right on the head.

36 posted on 04/19/2006 11:56:17 PM PDT by janetgreen (THE WHITE HOUSE FIDDLES WHILE AMERICA IS INVADED!)
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To: Rakkasan1

"Be assured. America is safe, protected"

37 posted on 04/20/2006 12:14:37 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: robowombat

Chertoff is an embarrassment to the country and more specifically to the Bush administration. I believe his job is a another unneccessay level of bureauocracy that makes America less safe, but at least we could have someone more competent if the job is going to exist. This makes me long for the days of Tom Ridge.


38 posted on 04/20/2006 12:19:04 AM PDT by Naptowne
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To: Amerigomag

One of Bush's biggest mistakes was giving into political pressure and creating this joke of a department. 9/11 happened because unneccessary bureauocracy got in the way of the CIA and FBI's ability to do their job thank to Clinton's justice department and 30 years of weakening our intelligence apparatus. Adding the DHS only exasperated the problem. Putting a federal judge at the head of this department was a decision worthy of the bad decision that originally led to its creation.


39 posted on 04/20/2006 12:25:28 AM PDT by Naptowne
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To: Spiff

I wish Cherty was as competent as Browny. Browny was the definition of a scapegoat.


40 posted on 04/20/2006 12:32:02 AM PDT by Naptowne
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To: robowombat
But he suggested that many of the incursions could have been innocent mistakes -- such as authorities in Mexico crossing into the United States in desert areas where the actual dividing line between the countries is unclear

That is an outright lie. The Minutemen have released a video showing Mexican troops climbing through a FENCE. If these incursions are so rare and only happen in unmarked desert areas, what are the odds that the Minutemen could show up with a video camera one day and catch the Mexican military in the act?
41 posted on 04/20/2006 1:53:43 AM PDT by BinaryBoy
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To: robowombat

One incursion is one too many.

The MSM is concealing the pictures.


42 posted on 04/20/2006 1:58:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: robowombat

Whats worse is that the administration thinks we are gullible and stupid in that we would actually believe this BS.
Their trivializing of these border incursions really pi##es me off.
JMO


43 posted on 04/20/2006 2:08:52 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: robowombat
"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said.

Oddly enough, I think the stories of Chertoff's competency, motivation, and the security of the USA are grossly overblown.

Guess that makes us even.

44 posted on 04/20/2006 3:52:03 AM PDT by norton
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To: robowombat
"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said. "I asked the chief of the Border Patrol about it. The number has not increased; in fact, it had decreased a little bit."

The fact that the incursions are happening at all and this jerk isn't outraged by it tells me that Bush is not serious about this issue.

45 posted on 04/20/2006 4:30:51 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: antceecee
Michael Chertoff is an embarassment to this administration. My prayers are for his speedy replacement and soon.

How so??? You can bet if he was an embarassment to Bush, he wouldn't have lasted a day...Who do you think Chertoff takes orders from???

46 posted on 04/20/2006 7:01:55 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: Rakkasan1; HiJinx
Chertoff is the new Iraqi minister of information...

So, now do we call him "Border Bob?"

47 posted on 04/20/2006 7:27:54 AM PDT by kstewskis (The Gospel of McPain: thugs, murderers, and terrorists doing the jobs Americans just won't do!)
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To: robowombat; HiJinx
Another article from JANUARY!

Chertoff plays down border incursion reports
01/19/06...Secretary Michael Chertoff on Wednesday played down reports outlining hundreds of border incursions by

48 posted on 04/20/2006 7:29:48 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas- beyond your expectations!)
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To: Rakkasan1

Chertoff is the new Iraqi minister of information...""

Yeah---and Ken Lay said ENRON was solid befor it's collapse.

Give me a break.

Just a big case of CYA......


49 posted on 04/20/2006 7:32:11 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: robowombat

"I think the stories are overblown," Chertoff said. "I asked the chief of the Border Patrol about it. The number has not increased; in fact, it had decreased a little bit."

Chertoff, Chertoff, Chertoff. Thou hast words with awe inspiring magnitude...


50 posted on 04/20/2006 10:08:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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