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The Homosexual Movement (2)
Slouching Toward Gomorrah ^ | 2003 | Robert Bork

Posted on 05/08/2006 4:56:13 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

One issue posed by the normalization of homosexuality, which Lawrence largely accomplishes–the only step remains is the creation of a constitutional right to homosexual marriage–is whether as a society we want a significant increase in the number of homosexuals. Other arguments are largely beside the point. Homosexuals argue that allowing them all the rights of heterosexuals, including the right to marry, is simply a question of justice, of the equal protection of the laws. That argument leaves out of the account the effects of normalization on individuals and on society. It would have force only if there were no serious adverse effects from homosexual behavior. There are such effects, however, and we are entitled to consider them.

We may begin at the personal level. How many fathers and mothers are pleased or even indifferent to whether their sons and daughters grow up to spend their lives as practicing homosexuals? Very few, if any. They may love their child regardless, but they are not happy about the direction taken by the child’s sexuality. There are excellent reasons for the unhappiness. Perhaps there is revulsion at the nature of homosexual acts, perhaps sadness that there will be no grandchildren, perhaps a well-founded fear of the dangers of a homosexual lifestyle, or perhaps the reasons for unhappiness about the child’s homosexuality are never fully articulated in the minds of parents. Still, there is, as Leon Kass said in opposition to human cloning, the “wisdom of repugnance.”

The issues to be confronted, then, are whether complete acceptance of the normality of homosexual behavior would lead to an increase in the number of homosexuals and whether there are good reasons to resist any policy that leads to unqualified approval of homosexual behavior. I think the answer to both of these questions is yes. The subject for discussion is not the degree of tolerance, which seems to me appropriate and humane, but full acceptance, which is neither.

To address the first issue, if homosexual marriage completes the normalization of homosexuality that is now racing forward, there will be more homosexuals in the population, probably very significantly more. There is not a “gay gene,” but there are very probably genetic factors, along with environmental influences in the womb or in early life, that create greater or less predispositions toward homosexual behavior. Like other predispositions, toward alcoholism, for example, the urge to homosexual conduct can often be resisted, and a significant number of homosexuals respond to therapy that enables them to live contentedly as heterosexuals. The willingness to resist or seek therapy will certainly be affected by the degree of stigma attached to the behavior in question. If all traces of taint are removed, if homosexuality is made to seem completely normal, a matter of indifference to anyone else or to society, young men and women uncertain of their sexuality will be that much more likely to be drawn into a homosexual life. There will surely be some young men and women who will not be deterred from homosexuality by any degree of stigma, just as there will be some deflected by quite mild degrees of social disapproval. There could hardly be a stronger signal from society that homosexuality is perfectly normal and acceptable than the creation of a right to homosexual marriage.

The next question, therefore, is what would be so calamitous about removing all restraints on homosexual behavior? The answer is, a great many extremely unhappy consequences would follow.

The first of these is the severe distress inflicted upon many individuals who choose, or are led into, the homosexual way of life. Though many homosexuals would deny it, homosexual males are much more likely to lead unhappy lives than are heterosexuals. Homosexual males engage in substances abuse and suffer mood and anxiety disorders, and major depression, as well as considering and actually attempting suicide, at rates far greater than do heterosexual males. Homosexual apologists attempt to explain these facts by citing the pressures of discrimination. But the rates are similarly high in the Netherlands and New Zealand, two countries known as homosexual-friendly. Thus, in the Netherlands the prevalence of mood disorders among homosexuals was 39 percent and among nonhomosexuals 13.3 percent, a ratio of about three to one. For anxiety disorders, the numbers were 31.7 percent as opposed to 13.2 percent; and major depression, 39.3 and 10.9 percent. A study in New Zealand found the number for homosexual and nonhomosexual thoughts of suicide to be 67.9 percent and 28 percent, while those for suicide attempts were 32.1 percent and 7.1 percent.

Psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover reports, “In spite of its superficial appeal and the activists’ repeated claims, no studies support the hypothesis that social disapproval of homosexuality is the prime cause of the high levels of internal distress evident in homosexual populations, even long before AIDS.” Richard Fitzgibbons, a clinical psychologist specializing in anger management, notes that a child’s anger felt betrayal by his peers or father is “one of the major reasons a notable element of sadomasochism is found in homosexual practices. When the extreme sadomasochistic behaviors engaged in by the homosexual men are reported, most people are shocked. . . . If the same type of behavior took place among heterosexuals, the identical acts would be considered forms of abuse and evidence of a disorder, yet they are considered ‘normal’ among homosexual men.

Homosexuality, moreover, is an addictive disorder. As Dr. Fitzgibbons notes, “The first men diagnosed with AIDS reported an average of one thousand partners during their lives. Those who have researched the HIV-AIDS epidemic have noted that some homosexual males actually have five to ten sexual encounters in a single night.” “The person has often attempted to fill the emptiness experienced in childhood or adolescence with numerous sexual encounters but it is an emptiness that is never satisfied sexually.” It is no wonder that he says, “Involvement in a homosexual lifestyle starts many young men down a clear path of self-destruction.”

These manifestations of psychological distress that seem frequently accompany homosexual conduct make use of the word “gay” absurdly inappropriate. Psychiatrist Joseph Nicolosi calls it “a self-deceptive identity” that has been “brilliantly marketed and bought without question by the most influential institutions–professional psychology and psychiatry, churches, educators, and the media–of American society.” The term “gay” makes homosexuality sound innocuous, if not appealing, but it hides the terrible reality that so many homosexuals experience.


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1 posted on 05/08/2006 4:56:16 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Exton1; wagglebee; DBeers; little jeremiah; The Ghost of FReepers Past

PING..


2 posted on 05/08/2006 4:57:54 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

As I understand it, it's becoming more and more realized that the majority of gays were "made" ie. molested in childhood, rather than born that way. That would also go a long way in explaining why they tend to be so dysfunctional.

You want to reduce the problem, keep molesters behind bars.


3 posted on 05/08/2006 5:01:21 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
. . . if homosexual marriage completes the normalization of homosexuality that is now racing forward, there will be more homosexuals in the population, probably very significantly more.

We're already seeing this phenomenon among the group most affected by the incessant push to "celebrate diversity"--including, above all, the kind of diversity formerly regarded as perversity. Just look at the very large numbers of teens who now characterize their sexual orientation as "uncertain" or "bi." Don't believe it? Check out MySpace (an eye-opener in many, many respects).

4 posted on 05/08/2006 5:02:02 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
One should also note that there are literally dozens of diseases that the lifestyle makes prevalent amongst participants - so much so that LaVey, in his studies of the brain, used the particular diseases the deceased carried as a proxy for determining homosexuality. He had no direct knowledge of their participation in the behavior. Most sexually transmitted diseases are far more common amongst homosexuals than heterosexuals, often by multiples by percentage.

So purely from a public health standpoint, and even excluding HIV, there are legitimate reasons to discourage the behavior.

5 posted on 05/08/2006 5:05:04 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: sinanju
I agree with you.
Other factors include irregularities in the male/female ratio and the disproportionate appearance in films and television.
Have you ever noticed that most prime time sitcoms these days have obligatory gay characters?
6 posted on 05/08/2006 5:56:11 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: sinanju
I agree with you.
Other factors include irregularities in the male/female ratio and the disproportionate appearance in films and television.
Have you ever noticed that most prime time sitcoms these days have obligatory gay characters?
7 posted on 05/08/2006 5:56:11 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Commander8

It is part of the plan to "soften up" America so we become more accepting and tolerant of their agenda.


8 posted on 05/08/2006 6:02:55 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: forever_fallen

Brokeback Mountain was meant to soften us up for more of the same. The next homosexual movie that comes out, the reaction may be, well, what else is new?


11 posted on 05/08/2006 6:35:56 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: jhm382
I had a very good friend that came out in college and eventually died of AIDS. He was a good guy...

I understand that he was your friend, but as a homosexual he wasn't by definition a "good guy." That's sort of like Eva Braun calling Adolf a "good guy."
12 posted on 05/08/2006 6:39:50 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

BTTT and gotta read it.


14 posted on 05/08/2006 8:12:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: DBeers

Got this one in your sights?


15 posted on 05/08/2006 8:24:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: forever_fallen
just because someone is gay deosn't mean that they can't be a "good guy" or girl.

Unfortunately, this is part of the problem in American society. After 20 years of relentless propraganda from homosexual advocates, there are some who have come to see homosexuality as a varient of sex between consenting adults...in reality, it is an evil of the highest order which is more akin to murder, child molestation, etc.

So yes - if someone is "gay", it does mean that by definition they aren't just another good guy or girl.
16 posted on 05/09/2006 7:41:31 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: little jeremiah
Got this one in your sights?

LOL - a target rich environment...

17 posted on 05/09/2006 9:14:18 AM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: forever_fallen
just because someone is gay deosn't mean that they can't be a "good guy" or girl.

No one is "gay" -let me factually reword your statement:

just because someone suffers a disorder and chooses to engage in homosexual activity doesn't mean that they can't be normal in other areas of thier lives

18 posted on 05/09/2006 9:17:16 AM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: sinanju

Agreed. Example: it is not that Rosie O'Donnell likes women, it is that she really hates men.

She didn't have a good relationship with her father.


19 posted on 05/09/2006 10:20:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: forever_fallen

Being "bi" is not the same as being homosexual, in several ways. In some senses, homosexuality is a twisted parallel to heterosexuality, especially in the relatively rare monogomous homosexual relationships. Being "Bi" is simply being indescriminate.


20 posted on 05/09/2006 11:10:05 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Great post, thanks.

The teaching of this lifestyle as normal and healthy, the unconditional acceptance and championing of this lifestyle, in schools is the biggest problem homosexual marriage/civil unions are bringing our society. All these teachings in schools are endangering the health and wellbeing of the nations children. If there is any doubt, check out these links.

http://www.massresistance.com/docs/events06/YouthPridePressRelease.pdf

http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/youth_pride_052105/

http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/glsen_043005/tranny/tranny_panel.htm

http://www.massyouthpride.org/resources.html

http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/gay_prom_052105/

That........is what is to come of our youth. Who will the future turn to for leadership with all this indoctrination going on? When Governors and Mayors sponsor these events, how are the youth of this country suppose to think, except that the lifestyle is great?
22 posted on 05/10/2006 11:06:44 AM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: sinanju
"You want to reduce the problem, keep molesters behind bars."

Exactly, we need a "the buck stops here" agenda, and it needs to start NOW!

And there is a bill in Congress to mandate just that, on the federal level. Unfortunately, Kennedy and his ilk, have the bill tied up in committee, refusing to let it out without a clause for glbt people.

No idea what clause he wants, but I can guess. If the media would broadcast far and wide what Kennedy wants, many many Dems would turn on him on this one!
23 posted on 05/10/2006 11:10:38 AM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: forever_fallen
Being bi, means you give in to attraction to both sexes. If you do not, you are not bi.

Indiscriminate is a good term for someone who practices bi behavior. It means you do not discriminate between male and female in your choices of partners.


Some people claim to be attracted to mechanical devices when enjoying sex with their heterosexual partners, By your definition, they too, are bi.

A lot of people have fantasies of varying forms, it doesn't mean they would ever act them out. It's called self restraint. It has been the rule of moral law, since man started walking on two legs. Man has a conscience, knows that his behavior effects others in his life, if it were not so man would be simply animals in pants.
24 posted on 05/10/2006 11:22:01 AM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: forever_fallen
no, it's not. being bi means i'm attracted to both sexes

Right, indescriminate. We're talking about sex of partner here.

25 posted on 05/10/2006 1:05:42 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: sinanju
You want to reduce the problem, keep molesters behind bars.

Molesters are not the only cause of homosexual desire. Unaffirming, belittling, and even absent fathers have without a doubt caused more young men to experience same-sex attraction in adolescence and beyond than out-and-out sexual molesters.

26 posted on 05/10/2006 9:44:57 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dhs12345

Rosie's brother, Daniel, who is my local state representative in NEW YORK CIY, is also gay.


27 posted on 05/14/2006 5:42:24 PM PDT by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN
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To: NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN

Sounds like a messed up family. From what my wife read.


28 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:32 AM PDT by dhs12345
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