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Something Is Broken at Google
Cotse.Net ^ | 05-16-2006 | Steve Gielda

Posted on 05/16/2006 4:30:51 AM PDT by mkjessup

Google is currently the premier search engine. However, it's results are getting worse by the day. Besides being bombarded with gateway search engine pages no matter what term you type in, you are not getting relevant results. In other words, you are not seeing legitimate pages that other search engines like Yahoo will return.

For proof of this I give you the term "privacy service". This one affects us and our service at www.cotse.net. Cotse.Net is a privacy service. According to our logs it is indexed daily by Google. According to Google, we are not penalized in any way by them. Because we are a privacy service you'll find this term all over our site. So you'd think that if you enter the term "privacy service" without quotes into Google, somewhere in that listing you would find our site. But you won't. It's not listed anywhere in those results except for the ad for which we paid. What is going on here?

If you look at the results under that term you'll find site's privacy policies (including Google's), the general smattering of gateway search engine pages Google is becoming famous for, as well as sites that only seem to have the word privacy in them once. But you won't find us, a privacy service with the term "privacy service" all over it. It's also something recent because this is a key phrase we've monitored for years. For the last three years our site has been number two or number three in these results, suddenly it is completely gone. However it still appears as number two or number three in nearly every other search engine but Google. It appears that Google has seriously broken their algorithm recently.

Our results are not unique. When you use Google you are getting less relevant returns than you do with other search engines. For proof, run your own tests. Start with the example we gave then move to some of your own. Compare the results you get from Google to the results you get from Yahoo and you'll start to see differences. Pages that should be listed in Google are not there.

Google, what happened to you guys? You used to be one of the best, now you are either slipping or working your algorithm to require sites you feel should be purchasing ad space from you to do so (like we had to do to even get listed where we should be listed by default). Which is it?

We have contacted Google about this, they state that we are not being penalized and are unable to offer any reasons for this behavior. An also interesting note is that Google owns blogspot and has blocked users of our privacy service from accessing blogspot. We've received no response to inquiries about this.

/steve
05/16/2006


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COTSE is a privacy service that I subscribe to and heartily recommend, and this morning I discovered that the COTSE proxy servers are indeed being blocked for some unknown reason by Google, which owns Blogspot. This is another example of Google playing God with the Internet so far as controlling what people are able to view, access and search for via their service.
1 posted on 05/16/2006 4:30:53 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
I hardly ever use google, i mostly use Yahoo... yes I have blogspot site and tried to use their adsense program but they kept using liberal ads even though I would set them to be filtered out... I have since removed all ads.
2 posted on 05/16/2006 4:37:33 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: mkjessup

i wish there was no google

but that does not seem likely


3 posted on 05/16/2006 4:37:36 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: mkjessup

I frequently do a search for a handful of very specific terms. About two weeks ago the normal -- and expected listings -- changed dramatically. I kept getting irrelevant pages and links for sites that had nothing to do with my search terms. I've tried being more specific under advanced search but it just turns up even more bizzare listings.

This kind of nonsense is going to drive away business very quickly.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 4:38:54 AM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: ShadowAce

ping


5 posted on 05/16/2006 4:39:41 AM PDT by clyde asbury (Dub me shapka broham.)
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To: mkjessup

I entered "privacy service with quotes and coste.net came up # 5. I don't know what the complaint is here.


6 posted on 05/16/2006 4:39:59 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: mkjessup
I just entered "privacy service" (with quotes around the phrase) and cotse shows up as #7. Taking away the quotes results in over 3 billion hits and cotse does not show on the first page

Them's the breaks

7 posted on 05/16/2006 4:40:14 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: mkjessup

Google's busy writing checks to MoveOn.org.


8 posted on 05/16/2006 4:41:55 AM PDT by toddlintown
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To: mkjessup
Getting gateway pages instead of useful information in the search hits is becoming a major problem, but I switched to Yahoo a while back and it does not seem to be any better.
9 posted on 05/16/2006 4:42:28 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: mkjessup

I've noted too that some things I search for seem to become less relevant. I didn't know that it was Google, but it seems like they are not near as good as they used to be.


10 posted on 05/16/2006 4:42:41 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Kieri
About two weeks ago the normal -- and expected listings -- changed dramatically. I kept getting irrelevant pages and links for sites that had nothing to do with my search terms.

Spammers have branched out into spamming search engines. Disk space is cheap, DSL service is cheap, so somebody generates gigabytes of web pages with common search terms featuring his spam ads

11 posted on 05/16/2006 4:43:21 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: mkjessup

Google is self-editing (on the free side). You can apply to be an editor. These so- called "editors" evidently set the priority of sites that show up in a search.

I manage online bidding for a company, and try as we will, we can't figure out how Google figures our bill. It's definitely not straightforward like Yahoo/Overture pricing for ads. Of course, Google has agreed to settle a huge class action lawsuit, acknowledging click fraud has been going on.

But Google won't disclose how they "calculate" your charges or your placment among the "free listings."

Personally, I think people are starting to use other search engines because I'm noticing "impressions" overall, are significantly lower than they were this time last year.

Also, Amazon has just decided to go with MSN powered searches instead of Google powered searches. Google may have peaked...time will tell.


12 posted on 05/16/2006 4:46:43 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: mkjessup
COTSE

Whatever you do, don't Google GOATSE.

13 posted on 05/16/2006 4:47:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:/~)
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To: mkjessup
He'll be happy to note that Clusty listed Coste.Net first when searching for privacy service.

I use Clusty as much as possible. A fellow Freeper recommended it a few months ago.

14 posted on 05/16/2006 4:50:22 AM PDT by csvset
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To: martin_fierro
Whatever you do, don't Google GOATSE.

I am not going to ask why, nor am I going to tempt fate.

Of course you understand that telling someone not to do something is like telling them not to think of a purple elephant.
15 posted on 05/16/2006 4:55:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Kieri

Same thing with their news searches. Their news search used to produce more articles than any other. Now it produces way fewer than alltheweb.com.


16 posted on 05/16/2006 4:55:41 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: toddlintown

THat is when I dropped them


17 posted on 05/16/2006 4:57:05 AM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: mkjessup
"Whatever you do, don't Google GOATSE."

I am not going to ask why, nor am I going to tempt fate.
Of course you understand that telling someone not to do something is like telling them not to think of a purple elephant.

As hard as I try I cannot think of a purple elephant...'course, I'm colorblind; but I'm now going to google GOTSE.

18 posted on 05/16/2006 5:05:43 AM PDT by harrowup (If you voted for President Bush, be loyal; if not, bite a rock.)
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To: harrowup
As hard as I try I cannot think of a purple elephant...'course, I'm colorblind; but I'm now going to google GOTSE.

I would urge you not to do so.
19 posted on 05/16/2006 5:09:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup
gateway search engine
What are these?
20 posted on 05/16/2006 5:10:08 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SauronOfMordor
I just entered "privacy service" (with quotes around the phrase) and cotse shows up as #7. Taking away the quotes results in over 3 billion hits and cotse does not show on the first page

Them's the breaks

If you have to enter quotes then they are probably blocking it, so it's not just "the breaks" like the site is simply getting buried in the results. There was a similar thread regarding http://thepeoplescube.com/ several months ago.

If you are going to say something to the effect that if it is blocked, why does it turn up with the quotes added, it is a fair question and the answer is, I don't know for sure. I believe that basically that is a glitch in their blocking mechanism that is not worth bothering with. WIth the other site, with the more unsual combination of words peoples + cube is was very clear it did not get returned in any search unless quotes were added.

21 posted on 05/16/2006 5:10:21 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: mkjessup

LOL...Since I misspelled it, Google suggested I really meant GOATSE, and I see your point but went no further than the lead ins...Bulgarian Porn?


22 posted on 05/16/2006 5:13:42 AM PDT by harrowup (If you voted for President Bush, be loyal; if not, bite a rock.)
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To: harrowup; martin_fierro
LOL...Since I misspelled it, Google suggested I really meant GOATSE, and I see your point but went no further than the lead ins...Bulgarian Porn?

I don't know, I refused to think about Martin's purple elephant. ;) LOL
23 posted on 05/16/2006 5:16:03 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup; martin_fierro

Got to run folks, sorry to abandon my own thread but I'll be back later on. And do NOT, whatever you do, do NOT Google "GOATSE" (blame Martin Fierro if you do, LOL)

All in fun Martin! ;)


24 posted on 05/16/2006 5:20:28 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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25 posted on 05/16/2006 5:26:09 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dawn53
Google is self-editing (on the free side). You can apply to be an editor. These so- called "editors" evidently set the priority of sites that show up in a search.

How does one apply to be an editor?

26 posted on 05/16/2006 5:34:13 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: ShadowAce

To REPEAT :

GOOGLE gave 1 MILLION to Moveon.Org

Don't use GOOGLE !!


27 posted on 05/16/2006 5:34:17 AM PDT by Zenith
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To: Northern Alliance
If you have to enter quotes then they are probably blocking it, so it's not just "the breaks" like the site is simply getting buried in the results.

I have to disagree with you there. By putting words together within quotation marks you are telling the search engine that you want pages where those particular words appear together in that particular order. Searching for "red car" might return a page with the following text:

...I just bought a new red car, I love it!

While the same search without quotes would turn up pages that have text similar to:

...I mashed the gas pedal in my car and pushed the tach into the red

Doesn't it seem likely to you that for any two given words there will be more pages on the web that contain those words, but not adjacent to one another than there will be pages where the words are adjacent?

28 posted on 05/16/2006 5:43:40 AM PDT by whd23
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To: SauronOfMordor
I just entered "privacy service" (with quotes around the phrase) and cotse shows up as #7.

If someone searches for privacy service, without quotes, what do you think they are looking for? Google's current SERPs seem to contain mainly privacy policy pages. Is that what the searcher is likely to be looking for?

If I was looking for privacy policies, I would search for privacy policy, not privacy service. Google's results since the Big Daddy upgrade are not as relevant as they were before Big Daddy.

29 posted on 05/16/2006 5:44:08 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Northern Alliance

Any competent searcher will use quotes to find it. That's how you search for anything specific. I find everything I ever need on Google. Literally, I've always found just what I need. I'd say it was pretty good that it was 5th or 6th. Just because Cotse did a overly simple search doesn't mean Google is bad.


30 posted on 05/16/2006 5:45:59 AM PDT by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: Echo Talon

Whoever controls the search engines, has way too much power to filter the "truth".

We all need to spread the wealth by using other search engines.


31 posted on 05/16/2006 5:48:53 AM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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To: mkjessup

Google appear very close to jumping the shark - they now have a stock price to protect and grow and the principles that got them to their position of prominence (namely, non-preferential treatment and mostly honest counts) are being abandoned.

Like many tech giants they are now dealing with death-by-a-thousand-cuts as hordes of parasites try to sue them over the most trivial and/or fictional transgressions (click-thru rates, etc.).

However, it doesn't change the fact that bucks have replaced accuracy in the Googling game. All it will take is another URL/search engine startup to get some traction and Google may regret the choices they are making.


32 posted on 05/16/2006 5:52:17 AM PDT by relictele
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To: onja
Any competent searcher will use quotes to find it. That's how you search for anything specific. -- snip -- Just because Cotse did a overly simple search doesn't mean Google is bad.

People flocked to Google because it gave them what they were looking for, without requiring them to learn some complex query language. It just worked.

If someone searches for privacy service, what do you think they are looking for? Various privacy policies? Or a privacy service?

Google provided an illusion of the 'semantic web', rather than performing a simple word search. They appear to have broken that illusion.

33 posted on 05/16/2006 5:54:35 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: csvset

Thanks for the info. I just tried that search engine for a chemcial & technical search related to work and it came up with some very good hits. Tried Google and didn't get anything technical at all. But at Google, I did find the websites of the left wing moonbat environmentalists protesting the chemicals I was investigating amongst the top ten. Looks like it's time to drop Google as a relevant internet tool.


34 posted on 05/16/2006 6:03:40 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: mkjessup

I've noticed the same thing. I use Google less and less now. Besides, Google is run by a bunch of left wing trash.


35 posted on 05/16/2006 6:04:22 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: onja

Oh come on. Googgle should be ranking higher results where 'privacy' and 'service' are closely related to each other rather than far apart. If people need to do what you suggest, then Google, althogh technically correct, is not only irrelevant, it is a useless waste of bandwidth.


36 posted on 05/16/2006 6:06:04 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: dawn53; All
Personally, I think people are starting to use other search engines

Does anyone know of another search engine that has the cache function that Google has? That's basically the only reason I use them.

Also, I HATE how the word "Google it" has become a phrase in our culture. If anyone has an alternative phrase, please let me know. The legitimate alternative just doesn't flow well for me: "Hey, why don't you 'general search engine' it?"

37 posted on 05/16/2006 6:07:42 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Flavius
» i wish there was no google ... but that does not seem likely

Take heart, FRiend. If you'd said "i wish there was no compuserve" 10 years ago, it would've seemed equally unlikely...right?

The thing is, we should be careful what we wish for ;)

38 posted on 05/16/2006 6:08:41 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Nita Nupress
» "Google it" ... If anyone has an alternative phrase, please let me know.

Well you could always say "Dogpile it"...but that sounds kinda weird for other reasons ;)

39 posted on 05/16/2006 6:10:33 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Nita Nupress
Does anyone know of another search engine that has the cache function that Google has?

Yahoo.

40 posted on 05/16/2006 6:11:33 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: csvset

Clusty has the cache function! Thanks! I've been looking forever, (although it HAS been a long time since I last looked). I've never seen that search engine before.


41 posted on 05/16/2006 6:11:48 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: TonyRo76

ROFL! Funny. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't use that one in polite company.


42 posted on 05/16/2006 6:15:37 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: mkjessup

Dogpile!


43 posted on 05/16/2006 6:16:49 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Nita Nupress
The legitimate alternative just doesn't flow well for me: "Hey, why don't you 'general search engine' it?"

Why not just just the grammatically correct terms "Hey, why don't you SEARCH for it?"

44 posted on 05/16/2006 6:18:02 AM PDT by WIladyconservative
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To: ordinaryguy
Yahoo.

Well, so it does. Now don't I feel silly. It's obviously been a while since I last looked for alternatives. It looks like other companies are finally catching up with the Big Dog, which is quite pleasing. Thanks!

45 posted on 05/16/2006 6:19:01 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: mkjessup

I did a simple search for the words privacy service (no quote marks). Cotse.net came up 2nd. Google is playing around here, for sure.


46 posted on 05/16/2006 6:20:40 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: WIladyconservative
And let's not forget the public service of "googling" anonymously. here (google anon)
47 posted on 05/16/2006 6:22:17 AM PDT by WIladyconservative
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To: Panzerlied

Forget Dogpile. Its main component is google.


48 posted on 05/16/2006 6:25:58 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Nita Nupress

I googled blonde and got you.


49 posted on 05/16/2006 6:30:10 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: Echo Talon

"I hardly ever use google, i mostly use Yahoo"

I mostly use msn


50 posted on 05/16/2006 6:37:10 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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