Skip to comments.Something Is Broken at Google
Posted on 05/16/2006 4:30:51 AM PDT by mkjessup
Google is currently the premier search engine. However, it's results are getting worse by the day. Besides being bombarded with gateway search engine pages no matter what term you type in, you are not getting relevant results. In other words, you are not seeing legitimate pages that other search engines like Yahoo will return.
For proof of this I give you the term "privacy service". This one affects us and our service at www.cotse.net. Cotse.Net is a privacy service. According to our logs it is indexed daily by Google. According to Google, we are not penalized in any way by them. Because we are a privacy service you'll find this term all over our site. So you'd think that if you enter the term "privacy service" without quotes into Google, somewhere in that listing you would find our site. But you won't. It's not listed anywhere in those results except for the ad for which we paid. What is going on here?
If you look at the results under that term you'll find site's privacy policies (including Google's), the general smattering of gateway search engine pages Google is becoming famous for, as well as sites that only seem to have the word privacy in them once. But you won't find us, a privacy service with the term "privacy service" all over it. It's also something recent because this is a key phrase we've monitored for years. For the last three years our site has been number two or number three in these results, suddenly it is completely gone. However it still appears as number two or number three in nearly every other search engine but Google. It appears that Google has seriously broken their algorithm recently.
Our results are not unique. When you use Google you are getting less relevant returns than you do with other search engines. For proof, run your own tests. Start with the example we gave then move to some of your own. Compare the results you get from Google to the results you get from Yahoo and you'll start to see differences. Pages that should be listed in Google are not there.
Google, what happened to you guys? You used to be one of the best, now you are either slipping or working your algorithm to require sites you feel should be purchasing ad space from you to do so (like we had to do to even get listed where we should be listed by default). Which is it?
We have contacted Google about this, they state that we are not being penalized and are unable to offer any reasons for this behavior. An also interesting note is that Google owns blogspot and has blocked users of our privacy service from accessing blogspot. We've received no response to inquiries about this.
i wish there was no google
but that does not seem likely
I frequently do a search for a handful of very specific terms. About two weeks ago the normal -- and expected listings -- changed dramatically. I kept getting irrelevant pages and links for sites that had nothing to do with my search terms. I've tried being more specific under advanced search but it just turns up even more bizzare listings.
This kind of nonsense is going to drive away business very quickly.
I entered "privacy service with quotes and coste.net came up # 5. I don't know what the complaint is here.
Them's the breaks
Google's busy writing checks to MoveOn.org.
I've noted too that some things I search for seem to become less relevant. I didn't know that it was Google, but it seems like they are not near as good as they used to be.
Spammers have branched out into spamming search engines. Disk space is cheap, DSL service is cheap, so somebody generates gigabytes of web pages with common search terms featuring his spam ads
Google is self-editing (on the free side). You can apply to be an editor. These so- called "editors" evidently set the priority of sites that show up in a search.
I manage online bidding for a company, and try as we will, we can't figure out how Google figures our bill. It's definitely not straightforward like Yahoo/Overture pricing for ads. Of course, Google has agreed to settle a huge class action lawsuit, acknowledging click fraud has been going on.
But Google won't disclose how they "calculate" your charges or your placment among the "free listings."
Personally, I think people are starting to use other search engines because I'm noticing "impressions" overall, are significantly lower than they were this time last year.
Also, Amazon has just decided to go with MSN powered searches instead of Google powered searches. Google may have peaked...time will tell.
Whatever you do, don't Google GOATSE.
I use Clusty as much as possible. A fellow Freeper recommended it a few months ago.
Same thing with their news searches. Their news search used to produce more articles than any other. Now it produces way fewer than alltheweb.com.
THat is when I dropped them
I am not going to ask why, nor am I going to tempt fate.
Of course you understand that telling someone not to do something is like telling them not to think of a purple elephant.
As hard as I try I cannot think of a purple elephant...'course, I'm colorblind; but I'm now going to google GOTSE.
gateway search engineWhat are these?
Them's the breaks
If you have to enter quotes then they are probably blocking it, so it's not just "the breaks" like the site is simply getting buried in the results. There was a similar thread regarding http://thepeoplescube.com/ several months ago.
If you are going to say something to the effect that if it is blocked, why does it turn up with the quotes added, it is a fair question and the answer is, I don't know for sure. I believe that basically that is a glitch in their blocking mechanism that is not worth bothering with. WIth the other site, with the more unsual combination of words peoples + cube is was very clear it did not get returned in any search unless quotes were added.
LOL...Since I misspelled it, Google suggested I really meant GOATSE, and I see your point but went no further than the lead ins...Bulgarian Porn?
Got to run folks, sorry to abandon my own thread but I'll be back later on. And do NOT, whatever you do, do NOT Google "GOATSE" (blame Martin Fierro if you do, LOL)
All in fun Martin! ;)
How does one apply to be an editor?
To REPEAT :
GOOGLE gave 1 MILLION to Moveon.Org
Don't use GOOGLE !!
I have to disagree with you there. By putting words together within quotation marks you are telling the search engine that you want pages where those particular words appear together in that particular order. Searching for "red car" might return a page with the following text:
...I just bought a new red car, I love it!
While the same search without quotes would turn up pages that have text similar to:
...I mashed the gas pedal in my car and pushed the tach into the red
Doesn't it seem likely to you that for any two given words there will be more pages on the web that contain those words, but not adjacent to one another than there will be pages where the words are adjacent?
Any competent searcher will use quotes to find it. That's how you search for anything specific. I find everything I ever need on Google. Literally, I've always found just what I need. I'd say it was pretty good that it was 5th or 6th. Just because Cotse did a overly simple search doesn't mean Google is bad.
Whoever controls the search engines, has way too much power to filter the "truth".
We all need to spread the wealth by using other search engines.
Google appear very close to jumping the shark - they now have a stock price to protect and grow and the principles that got them to their position of prominence (namely, non-preferential treatment and mostly honest counts) are being abandoned.
Like many tech giants they are now dealing with death-by-a-thousand-cuts as hordes of parasites try to sue them over the most trivial and/or fictional transgressions (click-thru rates, etc.).
However, it doesn't change the fact that bucks have replaced accuracy in the Googling game. All it will take is another URL/search engine startup to get some traction and Google may regret the choices they are making.
People flocked to Google because it gave them what they were looking for, without requiring them to learn some complex query language. It just worked.
If someone searches for privacy service, what do you think they are looking for? Various privacy policies? Or a privacy service?
Google provided an illusion of the 'semantic web', rather than performing a simple word search. They appear to have broken that illusion.
Thanks for the info. I just tried that search engine for a chemcial & technical search related to work and it came up with some very good hits. Tried Google and didn't get anything technical at all. But at Google, I did find the websites of the left wing moonbat environmentalists protesting the chemicals I was investigating amongst the top ten. Looks like it's time to drop Google as a relevant internet tool.
I've noticed the same thing. I use Google less and less now. Besides, Google is run by a bunch of left wing trash.
Oh come on. Googgle should be ranking higher results where 'privacy' and 'service' are closely related to each other rather than far apart. If people need to do what you suggest, then Google, althogh technically correct, is not only irrelevant, it is a useless waste of bandwidth.
Does anyone know of another search engine that has the cache function that Google has? That's basically the only reason I use them.
Also, I HATE how the word "Google it" has become a phrase in our culture. If anyone has an alternative phrase, please let me know. The legitimate alternative just doesn't flow well for me: "Hey, why don't you 'general search engine' it?"
Take heart, FRiend. If you'd said "i wish there was no compuserve" 10 years ago, it would've seemed equally unlikely...right?
The thing is, we should be careful what we wish for ;)
Well you could always say "Dogpile it"...but that sounds kinda weird for other reasons ;)
Clusty has the cache function! Thanks! I've been looking forever, (although it HAS been a long time since I last looked). I've never seen that search engine before.
ROFL! Funny. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't use that one in polite company.
Why not just just the grammatically correct terms "Hey, why don't you SEARCH for it?"
Well, so it does. Now don't I feel silly. It's obviously been a while since I last looked for alternatives. It looks like other companies are finally catching up with the Big Dog, which is quite pleasing. Thanks!
I did a simple search for the words privacy service (no quote marks). Cotse.net came up 2nd. Google is playing around here, for sure.
Forget Dogpile. Its main component is google.
I googled blonde and got you.
"I hardly ever use google, i mostly use Yahoo"
I mostly use msn
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