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Did Republicans Steal the 2004 Election?
Taegan Political Wire ^ | June 1, 2006 | Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. via Taegan

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:28:44 PM PDT by Torie

Did Republicans Steal the 2004 Election?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. writes in Rolling Stone: "After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election."

"A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004 -- more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes. (See Ohio's Missing Votes) In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots."


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You can go to the source, and then click onto the Kennedy article.

Without reading it all, the thesis seems to be that the exit polls were wrong, and particularly wrong in GOP strongholds. The "explanation" is that 375,000 in Ohio were illegally prevented from voting, most all Dems. The odd little thing is that in a state with a stagnant population, 900,000 more voters voted in Ohio in 2004 than did in 2000, with the Dems getting a majority of the increase. The Dems even got more votes in GOP strongholds than in 2000. I guess there is always more water in the well - always more. The cup runnuth over. An alternative explanation is that what happened is that the GOP got out the vote massively more in GOP areas than the Dems got, because there were more relatively indiffenent Pubbies to energize, and team Bush out their base in a frantic attempt to win the White House, in a state that both parties knew was the key swing state in the election.

I report, you decide.

With each generation, the Kennedy clan just seems to get keep getter dumber and dumber, and risks overshooting the mean. That is another possible hypothesis.

1 posted on 06/01/2006 8:28:45 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Common Tator

You might enjoy all this. Ohio Pubbies clearly will do anything to win.


2 posted on 06/01/2006 8:29:41 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

I admit it. I stole the election. I have it buried in my back yard.


3 posted on 06/01/2006 8:31:21 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Torie

Did DemocRATS Steal the 1960 Election? John F. Kennedy


4 posted on 06/01/2006 8:32:34 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Torie

Lil' Bobby oughta go back to the drugs.


5 posted on 06/01/2006 8:32:38 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Torie

Democrats howl when their attempts to cheat don't pay off.

When you bus voters from precinct to precinct and even out of state then you don't have a right to cry because they got provisional ballots..


6 posted on 06/01/2006 8:32:41 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Torie

You wanna talk vote fraud?

Go to St. Louis.

Go to Milwaukee.

Go to Seattle.

(It's not as if RFK Jr. is an unbiased, objective reporter or anything, is it?)

Sheesh.


7 posted on 06/01/2006 8:33:22 PM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: Enterprise

Is Jimmy Hoffa there also? You might want to alert the FBI....



; ~ )


8 posted on 06/01/2006 8:33:27 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: Torie

What we also tend to ignore is that people will report (in exit polls) what they believe that the pollster wants to hear.

I am convinced that many more African-Americans vote conservative than are willing to admit.

And there is no particular reason that elderly jews in Florida wouldn't vote for Pat Buchanan (given his staunch and unwavering support for Israel).

Another typical case of Liberal racism when it suits their purposes...


9 posted on 06/01/2006 8:33:34 PM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Did DemocRATS Steal the 1960 Election? John F. Kennedy

Now that absolutely DID happen!

10 posted on 06/01/2006 8:34:10 PM PDT by evad
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To: Enterprise

No, I have it, and it's next to Hoffa!


11 posted on 06/01/2006 8:34:57 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Torie
The election has been over for 2 years. Why are we discussing this again?
12 posted on 06/01/2006 8:35:44 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Vincit Omnia Vertas- translation:Truth Conquers All.)
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To: Torie

13 posted on 06/01/2006 8:35:53 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: Torie

I meant to add that I checked the CNN election site for 2004, and the exit poll showed women split evenly, and Bush carried men by 5%. That translates into the 2% margin Bush actually obtained. Curious. One oddity of the exit poll is that Bush got 16% of the black vote. What is up with that? Obviously the sample of black voters was too small, so that aspect is wrong. In fact, the whole exit poll was reverse engineered to reflect the actual result. That is why the final exit poll reflects the actual results. Karl Rove is a very clever man. Just ask Walter Cronkite. What was right, and reflects the real truth, were the early numbers of the exit poll that were reported during the course of the day, that Kennedy with his connections obtained, and has on his spread sheet.


14 posted on 06/01/2006 8:36:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"Lil' Bobby oughta go back to the drugs."

What do you mean "go back"? He obviously was on a good high when he agreed to claim authorship of the crock his assistant drafted for Rolling Stone.


15 posted on 06/01/2006 8:37:37 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: garbageseeker

To gin up the emotions of the base.


16 posted on 06/01/2006 8:37:37 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: garbageseeker

Because a Kennedy has written a piece that claims that the GOP deep sixed 375,000 votes in Ohio. Don't you find that interesing?


17 posted on 06/01/2006 8:37:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: RobbyS

Bump


18 posted on 06/01/2006 8:38:06 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Vincit Omnia Vertas- translation:Truth Conquers All.)
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To: Torie

Yes but I hope we are better at it next time and they don't suspect.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 8:38:12 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Torie
That's funny. I only recollect democrat groups filing fraudulent voter registrations, paying the fraudulent collecters off in crack cocaine and the Republicans organizing a much better rural voter effort.

If I had been able to vote, the margin would have been higher. Of course I ran into a barricade outside my polling place as I raced from the bar to vote at 2:45 A.M.

20 posted on 06/01/2006 8:38:18 PM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: garbageseeker

The whiners never stopped discussing it. They will never be convinced that an "idiot" like Bush beat "geniuses" like them.


21 posted on 06/01/2006 8:38:25 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Torie

22 posted on 06/01/2006 8:38:25 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Torie
CommonTator had an interesting analysis of about a quarter million fake registrations turned in by Democratic operatives in Ohio in 2004.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641895/posts?page=87#87

23 posted on 06/01/2006 8:39:11 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Never ask a Kennedy if he'll have another drink. It's nobody's business how much he's had already.)
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To: Darksheare; sweetliberty
Sweets fed it to the possums!
24 posted on 06/01/2006 8:39:49 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: antceecee

It's funny how they're wasting money on trying to find him after all this time.


25 posted on 06/01/2006 8:41:23 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Look at profile for current ways to deal with illegals immigration)
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To: Torie

Well, I want a recount and investigation of the 1960 election since you are complaining about the 2004 election.


26 posted on 06/01/2006 8:41:31 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Vincit Omnia Vertas- translation:Truth Conquers All.)
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To: Torie

PS: This self righteous, sniveling whine brought to us by the Original Party of Corruption, the Democrats.


27 posted on 06/01/2006 8:41:36 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: garbageseeker

It has been 8½ hours since it was last brought up and posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641895/posts


28 posted on 06/01/2006 8:42:22 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: garbageseeker
The election has been over for 2 years. Why are we discussing this again?

Think of it as not a discussion the election, but one of liberal paranoia and "thinking" processes.

Although, you could legitimately ask the same question to that also. Eventually it seems pointless to discuss leftist paranoia.

I think what we are trying to do here is find logicial thought processes for irrational behavior. Can't be done.

29 posted on 06/01/2006 8:43:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: AmeriBrit

I did not that. Its sounds like a retread.


30 posted on 06/01/2006 8:43:45 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Vincit Omnia Vertas- translation:Truth Conquers All.)
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To: AmeriBrit

I did not that. Its sounds like a retread.


31 posted on 06/01/2006 8:43:47 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Vincit Omnia Vertas- translation:Truth Conquers All.)
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To: AmeriBrit

Yikes. I did a search of "stolen" and didn't come up with the other thread. Sorry. But on this thread you get my "insightful" commentary. Is that a mitigating circumstance?


32 posted on 06/01/2006 8:44:09 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Admin Moderator

Lock this thread if that is your best judgment. I hope you won't, but it IS a repeat. I do in all events request that you don't nuke it. I put some effort in trying to be entertaining, in my Torie way.


33 posted on 06/01/2006 8:47:06 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Lakeshark; sweetliberty

*clenched fist dramatically in front of own grimacing face*

Those.. dastardly.. possums!
It was... a.. plot.. all along!
/ end Shatner style enunciating.


34 posted on 06/01/2006 8:52:34 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Darksheare

It's dead Jim.


35 posted on 06/01/2006 8:54:53 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

LOL!


36 posted on 06/01/2006 8:56:19 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Torie
Of course the early exit polls seemed to favor Kerry. The Republicans were still at WORK.
37 posted on 06/01/2006 8:57:49 PM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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To: Torie

I do think it has been thoroughly examined.

As someone in Ohio, I believe it is almost entirely attributable to bogus advance registrations submitted by MOVEON.ORG types who flocked to the state. There were numerous stories of illegal and nefarious payouts among dem leaders to turn in thousands of voter registrations.

The key to winning was having so many Republican observers and legal blockers to prevent provisional ballot fraud and just outright fraud by dems in the Cleveland area. With excess voter registrations, they could have cast thousands of 'after hours' ballots for kerry. This is where the Bush team was brilliant in Ohio.

Blackwell as sec of state was also instrumental on quashing a lot of this nonsense.

Now, he will hopefully crush his democratic opponent in the governors race this fall.


38 posted on 06/01/2006 8:58:02 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: Torie

Obviously the solution is to abandon voting altogether, and simply decide elections via exit polls. You and your neighbors will file into the local school gym on election day, and mill about for a bit. Perhaps we could have coffee and donuts on hand, but in any case, after about twenty minutes or so of that, you'll be allowed to leave, either individually or in small groups. Whereupon you'll be polled at the egress about your choice for various offices. Simple, no?


39 posted on 06/01/2006 9:06:11 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Isn't that pretty much what they proposed in California?


40 posted on 06/01/2006 9:08:01 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Darksheare

It will have one advantage. After 2004, I spent a fair amount of time patiently explaining to hyperventilating Democrats that the concept of "margin of error" doesn't apply to elections the way it does to polls. And if we go straight to exit polls, I won't have to do that any more - we can all open the paper the folling morning to learn that a random sample of 1300 or so eligible voters have selected Candidate X as our next president, by a margin of 54% (+/- 3%).


41 posted on 06/01/2006 9:12:58 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Yowch!


42 posted on 06/01/2006 9:14:06 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Yeah, they do want to go to a 'direct popular vote' in California.
Or close to it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641121/posts
(Not the thread I recall seeing, but close enough.)


43 posted on 06/01/2006 9:16:08 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Darksheare

You would have thought that 2000 would have been the impetus for that kind of thing, but I guess not.


44 posted on 06/01/2006 9:25:00 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

The Dems simply stepped up their 'get out the dead vote' efforts.
Too bad voter turnout was much higher than they figured.


45 posted on 06/01/2006 9:26:55 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Torie
I grew up in the Democratic party. My Dad was one of 14 members of the Ohio Democratic Central committee that ran the Democratic Party in Ohio. I know from 50 years ago what kind of effort ( Mostly staffed by Unions members) was made each election by the Demoratic party. From Black Preachers with "Walking around money" to union workers getting out the vote, Democrats had a great organization.

Republicans tended to run ads on Radio and TV and hope that their voters came out to vote.

2004 was an eye opener for me. First Democrats rarely get many volunteers... Unions volunteer union staff. and they had best volunteer. However the Bush campaign in 2004 had thousands and thousands of volunteers who worked weekends canvasing for votes and working the final 72 hour get out the vote effort.

I can tell you that the Bush effort in Ohio in 2004 was based on getting out the base. The reason was for the first time in memory the so called swing voters had decided to vote and had decided for whom they were going to vote very early in the campaign. Less than 7 percent of the swing voters were still up for grabs in September of 2004.

That left the base and the Democrats who were members of the Religious right as the only potential Bush voters up for grabs. The Bush grass roots effort had people from the same precinct calling potential Bush Voters... to get them registered and get them to the polls. That was unheard of for Republicans in Ohio. It was SOP for Democrats. Except the Democrats had to hire people. Bush had true volunteers. And they were motivated volunteers. The Bush volunteeres were mostly middle class and they were skilled and motivated to get out the vote.

Rove had determined that 70 percent of church members would vote for bush. So huge efforts were made to get church members as volunteers. Those church member volunteers were used to to call all the members of their congregations and ask them to register and vote. There was no attempt to get them to vote for Bush.. Just to register and vote. Rove knew that Bush would get 7 out of every 10 of those votes.

There was a huge effort to canvas Republican precincts. This was done by local people, calling on local people and urging them to vote.

For the first time in my lifetime Republicans had a real grass roots effort. They had a very well organized and effective final 72 hour push to get out the votes for Bush. Volunteers were calling pro Bush people all election day.. to make sure they had voted.

It was an entirely new ball game. For the first time in history in ohio, at least since 1932, that the Republicans out hussled the Democrats.

Some Democrats do not yet understand what defeated them. They put out an effort that should have, in historical terms, given Kerry a nice Ohio victory. But their effort was not enough and Bush's greater effort won the election. Some Demorats are still in denial.

46 posted on 06/01/2006 9:37:57 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Torie

Waiting for RFK Jr.'s detailed, thorough analysis of Philadelphia's 108% registered-voter turnout, which went overwhelmingly to the Demoncrats.


47 posted on 06/01/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Common Tator

The numbers seem to back up your thesis. Kerry did really work Cuyahoga hard, and Kennedy seems to think Cuyahoga not replicated across the state, as to the swing (except Franklin, which was trending Dem on its own), meant stolen votes. Kennedy does not understand demographics.


48 posted on 06/01/2006 9:44:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ikka; Hermann the Cherusker

That number is an urban legend. I did that analysis, and then Hermann re-analyzed it in part. There was no there, there. There may be some fraud, but the numbers in play, are quite small. Cheers.


49 posted on 06/01/2006 9:45:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: filbert

You can add Florida 2000 the home of the dimple chad.


50 posted on 06/01/2006 10:18:38 PM PDT by demlosers
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