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Did Republicans Steal the 2004 Election?
Taegan Political Wire ^ | June 1, 2006 | Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. via Taegan

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:28:44 PM PDT by Torie

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To: Darksheare

It will have one advantage. After 2004, I spent a fair amount of time patiently explaining to hyperventilating Democrats that the concept of "margin of error" doesn't apply to elections the way it does to polls. And if we go straight to exit polls, I won't have to do that any more - we can all open the paper the folling morning to learn that a random sample of 1300 or so eligible voters have selected Candidate X as our next president, by a margin of 54% (+/- 3%).


41 posted on 06/01/2006 9:12:58 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Yowch!


42 posted on 06/01/2006 9:14:06 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Yeah, they do want to go to a 'direct popular vote' in California.
Or close to it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641121/posts
(Not the thread I recall seeing, but close enough.)


43 posted on 06/01/2006 9:16:08 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Darksheare

You would have thought that 2000 would have been the impetus for that kind of thing, but I guess not.


44 posted on 06/01/2006 9:25:00 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

The Dems simply stepped up their 'get out the dead vote' efforts.
Too bad voter turnout was much higher than they figured.


45 posted on 06/01/2006 9:26:55 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Oh No! Zombies!" Actually, they aren't. They just haven't had their coffee yet.)
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To: Torie
I grew up in the Democratic party. My Dad was one of 14 members of the Ohio Democratic Central committee that ran the Democratic Party in Ohio. I know from 50 years ago what kind of effort ( Mostly staffed by Unions members) was made each election by the Demoratic party. From Black Preachers with "Walking around money" to union workers getting out the vote, Democrats had a great organization.

Republicans tended to run ads on Radio and TV and hope that their voters came out to vote.

2004 was an eye opener for me. First Democrats rarely get many volunteers... Unions volunteer union staff. and they had best volunteer. However the Bush campaign in 2004 had thousands and thousands of volunteers who worked weekends canvasing for votes and working the final 72 hour get out the vote effort.

I can tell you that the Bush effort in Ohio in 2004 was based on getting out the base. The reason was for the first time in memory the so called swing voters had decided to vote and had decided for whom they were going to vote very early in the campaign. Less than 7 percent of the swing voters were still up for grabs in September of 2004.

That left the base and the Democrats who were members of the Religious right as the only potential Bush voters up for grabs. The Bush grass roots effort had people from the same precinct calling potential Bush Voters... to get them registered and get them to the polls. That was unheard of for Republicans in Ohio. It was SOP for Democrats. Except the Democrats had to hire people. Bush had true volunteers. And they were motivated volunteers. The Bush volunteeres were mostly middle class and they were skilled and motivated to get out the vote.

Rove had determined that 70 percent of church members would vote for bush. So huge efforts were made to get church members as volunteers. Those church member volunteers were used to to call all the members of their congregations and ask them to register and vote. There was no attempt to get them to vote for Bush.. Just to register and vote. Rove knew that Bush would get 7 out of every 10 of those votes.

There was a huge effort to canvas Republican precincts. This was done by local people, calling on local people and urging them to vote.

For the first time in my lifetime Republicans had a real grass roots effort. They had a very well organized and effective final 72 hour push to get out the votes for Bush. Volunteers were calling pro Bush people all election day.. to make sure they had voted.

It was an entirely new ball game. For the first time in history in ohio, at least since 1932, that the Republicans out hussled the Democrats.

Some Democrats do not yet understand what defeated them. They put out an effort that should have, in historical terms, given Kerry a nice Ohio victory. But their effort was not enough and Bush's greater effort won the election. Some Demorats are still in denial.

46 posted on 06/01/2006 9:37:57 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Torie

Waiting for RFK Jr.'s detailed, thorough analysis of Philadelphia's 108% registered-voter turnout, which went overwhelmingly to the Demoncrats.


47 posted on 06/01/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Common Tator

The numbers seem to back up your thesis. Kerry did really work Cuyahoga hard, and Kennedy seems to think Cuyahoga not replicated across the state, as to the swing (except Franklin, which was trending Dem on its own), meant stolen votes. Kennedy does not understand demographics.


48 posted on 06/01/2006 9:44:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ikka; Hermann the Cherusker

That number is an urban legend. I did that analysis, and then Hermann re-analyzed it in part. There was no there, there. There may be some fraud, but the numbers in play, are quite small. Cheers.


49 posted on 06/01/2006 9:45:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: filbert

You can add Florida 2000 the home of the dimple chad.


50 posted on 06/01/2006 10:18:38 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Torie

That bastion of journalistic excellence, Rolling Stoned
magazine. How many bong hits do I need to take to fully
comprehend the article?


51 posted on 06/02/2006 12:34:06 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Torie
Just look at the pedigree of that filthy "family" and you'll know how to perceive this claim.

Brother Joe,driver of a car that turned over,paralyzing (for life) a young woman who was a passenger.

Brother David,died of a heroin OD in a Palm Beach hotel room.

Brother Michael,was under police investigation for statutory rape (14 yo babysitter) when he died in a skiing accident.

Sister Rory,married an IRA terrorist.

Cousin Michael,murdered a young girl (with a golf club).

52 posted on 06/02/2006 8:25:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: garbageseeker
The election has been over for 2 years. Why are we discussing this again?
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Rolling Stone had empty columns in its upcoming edition, they had to fill them with something, they came up with this.
53 posted on 06/02/2006 11:42:53 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Torie
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

This is the same shitforbrains who gloated about Hurricane Katrina hitting Mississippi, because Haley Barbour helped cause global warming by being the RNC chair.

He stated that the hurricane intentionally went after Mississippi, like Frankenstein's monster, seeking to destroy it's creator.

He's dumber than his lobotomized aunt.

54 posted on 06/02/2006 11:48:09 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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