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CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES: THE TYRANNY OF COMPULSORY SCHOOLING
Spinning Globe ^ | John Gatto Taylor

Posted on 07/09/2006 4:52:38 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Let me speak to you about dumbness because that is what schools teach best. Old-fashioned dumbness used to be simple ignorance: you didn't know something, but there were ways to find out if you wanted to. Government-controlled schooling didn't eliminate dumbness - in fact, we now know that people read more fluently before we had forced schooling - but dumbness was transformed.

Now dumb people aren't just ignorant; they're the victims of the non-thought of secondhand ideas. Dumb people are now well-informed about the opinions of Time magazine and CBS, The New York Times and the President; their job is to choose which pre-thought thoughts, which received opinions, they like best. The élite in this new empire of ignorance are those who know the most pre-thought thoughts.

Mass dumbness is vital to modem society. The dumb person is wonderfully flexible clay for psychological shaping by market research, government policymakers; public-opinion leaders, and any other interest group. The more pre-thought thoughts a person has memorized, the easier it is to predict what choices he or she will make. What dumb people cannot do is think for themselves or ever be alone for very long without feeling crazy. That is the whole point of national forced schooling; we aren't supposed to be able to think for ourselves because independent thinking gets in the way of "professional" think-ing, which is believed to follow rules of scientific precision.

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To: donmeaker
The IRS is claiming that I am not a head of household, and claim that I have to show documents to prove that the children live with me.

I asked what documents would be acceptable. They suggested that I present the documents from the local schools to which I send my children.

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21 posted on 07/10/2006 6:31:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Zon
See the same thing often with the main stream media. Special Reports, when the President speaks and general "news" coverage.

Great point. Don't judge the speech you just heard for yourself. We'll tell you what the person just said, what they meant, and what the broader implications are.

22 posted on 07/10/2006 6:34:27 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: wintertime
They aren't fat because they have the time and leisure to PLAY.

I never thought about that. Great point.

23 posted on 07/10/2006 6:36:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Tired of Taxes
We have enemies on Free Republic, too.

Apparently. Could that person be a public school graduate? Notice the lack of logic.

And when was the "add a keyword" feature added?

24 posted on 07/10/2006 6:40:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I don't believe in "Well child visits" for my six and eight year olds anyway.


25 posted on 07/10/2006 6:41:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Doctors seem to be quick with their suspicions when a parent homeschools.

My wife was gently raked over the coals when we began homeschooling. The questions the doctor asked were vaguely antagonistic. But if I was there I would have told him to screw. From my wife's accounts, he seemed to have that "I'm a doctor so you should take my advice" attitude.

Anyway, six years later he's asking different questions. I think he's noticing the difference between our kids and his grandkids.

Funny thing is, I bet his grandkids will go on to be very "successful" adults, at least as measured by contemporary standards. But that won't include the cost of self-alienation, and all the psychic agony that comes with it.

Personally, I was fortunate in that I had my mid-life crisis at age 22. I had graduated from engineering college with a high-paying job offer and a beautiful girlfriend. Yet I was deeply depressed. I could relate to that old Talking Heads song, "this is not my beautiful wife/ this is not my beautiful house." I had been beoming more confused and depressed as the college years wore on.

Upon graduation, I got out of engineering (which I had no interest in; I was only in it for the money) and my girlfriend dumped me (a blessing, since she was an atheist). I spent the next ten years sorting stuff out. But I am much happier now for the experience. I don't laugh at mid-life crises at all. I remember the pain far too well. I'm fortunate that I got mine out of the way early on. Most people seem to suppress the pain for decades.

26 posted on 07/10/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I like John Gatto Taylor. It does seem like the really good school teachers I had were rebelling against the school system. I can read any thing I want because of a third grade teacher who taught Latin root words in the slow reading class of all places. In retrospect she was probably bucking the system.
27 posted on 07/10/2006 7:11:31 AM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Don't judge the speech you just heard for yourself. We'll tell you what the person just said, what they meant, and what the broader implications are.

Yes. Also, most general news stories and controversies too. Controversies the news media helped contrive. Like man causes global warming. And stories such as, a memo quoting democrats fixing the bench is trivial and little reported while questioning/suggesting that the memo was illegally obtained is made the important story.

28 posted on 07/10/2006 8:04:10 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: wintertime
By the way, I personally have never met a fat homeschooler who has been homeschooled from the beginning. Why? They aren't fat because they have the time and leisure to PLAY.

Have you ever seen a chubby homeschooler? ;-) I have one. He's in great health, though. Just got back from Boy Scout camp.

29 posted on 07/10/2006 9:24:32 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Tired of Taxes

"We have enemies on Free Republic, roo."

They're affectionately known as trolls.


30 posted on 07/10/2006 9:27:35 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Aquinasfan

What I found particularly facinating is the claim that the Public Schools in Prussia (later to become Germany) contributed to the rise in Naziism and both World Wars.

THAT'S something you won't find in the history books.


31 posted on 07/10/2006 9:29:58 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: wintertime
It is past time that homeschoolers STOPPED defending their decision. It is time that we pointedly ask those using government schools, "Why on earth are you doing THAT to your children? What is the problem? Are you that bad off that you have no other option?"

I like the way you think. It's difficult to overcome the mindset that the current public school system is the way it should be because we were all raised with it and it was considered normal. Public school parents are very defensive when confronted by homeschoolers but when they confront homeschoolers, they can be very obnoxious. They don't seem to think twice about questioning us but react quite strongly when presented with the same attitude they use on others.

32 posted on 07/10/2006 10:02:54 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Last time I spoke to my sister-in-law she was talking about the k-12 program and asking why my family didn't qualify to sign up for it for "free". I told her in order to qualify my children would have to be in the public school system for one year. She could not understand why I would not put my children into public school for "just one year".


33 posted on 07/10/2006 10:15:33 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Zon
Yes. Also, most general news stories and controversies too. Controversies the news media helped contrive. Like man causes global warming. And stories such as, a memo quoting democrats fixing the bench is trivial and little reported while questioning/suggesting that the memo was illegally obtained is made the important story.

Maddening, especially since it's so effective.

34 posted on 07/10/2006 10:21:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Clintonfatigued
What I found particularly facinating is the claim that the Public Schools in Prussia (later to become Germany) contributed to the rise in Naziism and both World Wars. THAT'S something you won't find in the history books.

It sent a chill down my spine when I read it in his book, The Underground History of American Education. The link goes to the book which can be read in its entirety for free. The guy puts his money where his mouth is.

This is the first time I've heard him mention his children. It must break his heart that he sent them to public school. I also didn't know that his wife ran for school committee (!). What an amazing story! I wish he had included the details in his book where he recounts his run-ins with the malignant school bureaucracy.

I ran for school committee myself when I was in my late '20s, in retaliation for my "education." It was torturous, but well worth the effort. One of my favorite memories was when I recounted the history of compulsory schooling laws in Massachusetts when a hostile audience member asked if I knew how the compulsory attendance laws originated. I don't know whether he knew the answer to his own question, but I bet he regretted asking it because I filibustered him, holding the grumpy school-philes hostage for 15 minutes. 8-)

A week later a woman who was in the audience wrote a letter to the editor saying how fascinated she was with the facts that I presented. You never know how something like that can change a person's life.

It's all about hearts and minds.

35 posted on 07/10/2006 10:41:31 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
JGTs comparison of grade school and library learning was especially insightful. The Internet and WWW especially amplify the individualist education/learning that occurs with library use. Since most people don't know the difference the question is how to lead them -- they're followers of various collectivist indoctrinations -- to become independent learners--self-leaders. Lead them to think critically, yet not what to think. FR is a great resource yet falls short of being unbiased and committed to honesty that wins in the end -- always has, always will. 

The establishment is born of authorities de-individualizing people into collectives. Almost everything is tainted by it. It must be deconstructed simultaneous to the building of a civilization predicated on individualist critical thinking. We already know that free-market competition is the most efficient method of exchange and uplifting to individuals and society. Human efforts in science and business have dwarfed all other methods for bringing individuals and societies evermore prosperity and health.

  1. Individual thinker, self-leader
  2. Business
  3. Science
  4. Art idealizes the above

An individualist business/science/art civilization will replace (not reform) a political/religious/philosophy anti-civilization.

36 posted on 07/10/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: netmilsmom; Aquinasfan

Here's the kicker: She was accusing me of medical neglect. Yet, she and the other doctors in that office consistently made mistakes. We've never been able to find a good pediatrician. I miss the days when there was one family doctor who did it all.

I had an even worse problem with the dentist's office. They were criticizing me for "only bringing them once a year." That I'm supposed to bring them in twice a year. Please note, not one of my children has ever had a cavity, and my oldest is 10. They also kept trying to bully me into x-rays by saying they needed them once a year. I had to sign forms refusing the x-rays. Now they claim we owe them a load of money. We did some checking, and it appears they've charged our insurance company for things like braces... for our 5 year old. Note: None of our children have braces.

We always had trouble finding a good dentist, too.


37 posted on 07/10/2006 11:21:25 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
they've charged our insurance company for things like braces... for our 5 year old. Note: None of our children have braces.

That's why I tell my kids, "it's more important to be good than to be smart."

38 posted on 07/10/2006 11:24:35 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Have you ever seen a chubby homeschooler? ;-) I have one. He's in great health, though. Just got back from Boy Scout camp.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As I said, I ***personally***haven't met a fat homeschooler who has been homeschooled from the beginning. I am sure they exist.

Was your son homeschooled from the beginning?

Also,,,Thankfully he is homeschooled. Chubby is a far easier condition to manage than obese, and if he had gone to school he would not be as healthy as he is today.
39 posted on 07/10/2006 12:51:28 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Alot of balls to post this. GATTO IS RIGHT!

Answer this question Publik Skool defenders: why is it that you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, but you trust them to educate your children?

But of course, bubble headed suburban mom will say "the publik skools in my area are Graaaate! Yer an elitist (what a sh-tkicker says when they are losing an argument) snob!"

40 posted on 07/10/2006 12:55:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (I don't want the world, I just want YOUR half!)
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