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Traveling from NC to PA - Firearms advice needed
Vanity ^ | 8/25/06 | George Smiley

Posted on 08/26/2006 7:35:58 PM PDT by George Smiley

Folks, I'm taking on a contract position in Pennsylvania as of this coming week and need a quick overview of firearms laws.

I've got a North Carolina Concealed Handgun permit, so I can legally carry in Pennsylvania (or so it seems from a cursory websearch).

What about AR-15 style weapons?

Any problem there?

The thought of carrying firearms, even unloaded and in locked containers through Maryland and especially DC, scares the you-know out of me.


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1 posted on 08/26/2006 7:35:58 PM PDT by George Smiley
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To: George Smiley
"What about AR-15 style weapons?"

A semi-auto rifle shouldn't be a problem. Unless it's a gun grabbing state or community an AR is legally no different than a hunting rifle.

2 posted on 08/26/2006 7:54:06 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: George Smiley; patton

not sure about the legal details, that's pat's dept.

but you don't have to go through d.c. to get to pa
from n.c., just swing around through va and md. :)


3 posted on 08/26/2006 7:57:03 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: leda
Mapquest put me through VA, DC, MD, DE to PA. DC considers anything with a high-capacity magazine to be a machine gun, apparently. They really ARE nuts up there.
4 posted on 08/26/2006 8:08:51 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: KoRn
You know that, and I know that.

In fact, I just happily replaced the "stock" stock on my Stoner M4 model SR-15 with a six-position telescoping one as a belated celebration of the repeal of the AWB.

5 posted on 08/26/2006 8:10:37 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley
I'd avoid DC entirely and take the scenic route through Tennessee, West Virginia and Virginia.

L

6 posted on 08/26/2006 8:11:42 PM PDT by Lurker (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Lurker

I think I'd be okay in Maryland courtesy of 18 USC 926A

It basically says that if you're going from point A where you can legally possess a certain firearm to point B where you can legally possess it, then as long as it's unloaded and not in the passenger compartment (or unloaded, in a locked container if you're in a car that doesn't have a trunk), then federal law says you have the legal right to do so.


7 posted on 08/26/2006 8:20:03 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley
I think I'd be okay in Maryland

Do you want to think you'll be okay or do you want to know you'll be okay?

then federal law says you have the legal right to do so

Have you decided exactly how much of your time and money you want to spend arguing the point with some pencil di**** gun hating DA in Maryland or DC?

L

8 posted on 08/26/2006 8:26:13 PM PDT by Lurker (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Lurker

I was thinking about going across at some real narrow point.

But I definitely see your point.


9 posted on 08/26/2006 8:31:42 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley
TN, WV, and VA are lovely this time of year.

Take an extra day and see the countryside. You'll arrive in better spirits and you'll have a much more pleasant trip.

Just my two cents.

Best of luck in the new position.

L

10 posted on 08/26/2006 8:37:09 PM PDT by Lurker (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Lurker

Thanks.

Been to VA and WV and I *definitely* agree.

I'm going to have to do it in one day, though.

They wanted me like yesterday after they finally made up their mind.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 8:38:55 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley

Does NC still have that bizarre law where you have to have your handgun on the seat or other eposed position when driving through NC with your weapon?

That always seemed like an odd law to me.


12 posted on 08/26/2006 9:22:24 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: George Smiley
Try I95N to 301N through Annapolis up to Newark, DE and rejoin I95 to Philly. Skips DC, but adds about two hours to the trip.

For Gun reciprocity, look at Packing.org ^.

Good luck.

13 posted on 08/26/2006 9:33:07 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: NonLinear
Yes.

And that's one of the many reasons I got a Concealed Handgun Permit.

You don't want to put yourself in the situation where the law puts your probability of being arrested dependent upon an officer's subjective interpretation and whether or not the officer is having a good day.

TRANSPORTING WEAPONS

Given this general prohibition of carrying concealed weapons, individuals must be ever vigilant to ensure that their particular situation cannot be construed as concealing a weapon either on or about them without being properly authorized to do so with a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit. Therefore, the person's accessibility to the weapon is of prime importance. It is for these reasons, that when transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the weapon is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of the automobile? Obviously, a weapon would be concealed and readily accessible, and therefore in violation of our law, if it were placed in such areas of a vehicle as, under the seat of the automobile; in a bag in the back seat; in an unlocked glove compartment; or in some other manner is covered or hidden within the easy reach of an occupant of the vehicle. A previous opinion from this office was that a weapon would not be concealed if it were placed in a locked glove compartment, unless the key to the glove compartment was in the lock and the person was in close proximity and had ready access to it. A concern with this mode of transportation however is that it is quite susceptible to different interpretations, based on the various factors involved. Therefore, this may not be the most legally defensible method of transporting a weapon, and is discouraged.

While a weapon carried openly in an automobile would not be concealed, there are other problems attendant to this method of carrying a weapon. The principal drawback, of course, is in the event of a person being stopped by a law enforcement official, the officer may not readily know that person's purpose and intent for carrying a weapon. As such, it is imperative that a person immediately notify an officer of the presence of any weapon in the automobile, for the officer's and the vehicle's occupants' safety. Another obvious drawback, is that a valuable weapon may be in plain view for potential thieves to see. The prohibition to carrying concealed weapons applies not only to handguns and other weapons commonly thought of as being easily hidden, but also to "long guns" as well. Therefore, shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other vehicles, could similarly violate our law.

As to those vehicles with no easily discernible trunk area, for example vans, the question turns on a factual determination of when the weapon is within ready and easy access to an occupant of the vehicle. If the weapon is concealed near, in close proximity to, or within the convenient control and access of an occupant, which would allow him to use the weapon quickly, then a fair probability exists that the occupant is in violation of the law. Therefore, care must be exercised by any occupant of a vehicle to ensure that the weapons are securely locked away in as remote an area as possible in relation to the passenger compartment of the vehicle. It is important to emphasize that these prohibitions apply to passengers, as well as the driver of a vehicle. (From North Carolina Justice Academy, Firearms Laws)

14 posted on 08/27/2006 6:52:43 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: brityank

Did so.

Check out the District of Columbia.

I don't even want to go NEAR there with a firearm.


15 posted on 08/27/2006 6:53:29 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley
Do NOT take a handgun into DC. Instant felony, and they don't care what license you have. When they run your tags, your CC will show, and they can use it as probable cause for a felony stop/vehicle search.

MD is not as bad, but if you go up I95, take the beltway east around the city - the western part goes into DC (The bridge is DC territory).

16 posted on 08/27/2006 6:57:40 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: George Smiley

That's why I suggested 301; gas up in VA and drive through to Delaware -- keeps you off the I495 that could push you West if there's a major accident on the Eastbound side. Keep up with traffic, but let the hot-shots pass and pull the cops. Case the weapons and ammo separately and out of reach while driving. Or find a FFL and ship them ahead.


17 posted on 08/27/2006 7:22:20 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: George Smiley

mapquest doesn't always give the best routes.

i guess it depends on which part of pa you're going towards.
if you're headed towards the eastern part of the state, go
with pat's directions. if you're headed towards the west,
think about taking 81 instead. it goes through the western
part of va, through a small section of md, then on into pa.


18 posted on 08/27/2006 7:22:56 AM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: leda

I've found an "inverse knowledge" correlation to Mapquest directions:

The better you know where you're going, the less their directions make sense.


19 posted on 08/27/2006 7:41:37 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley

oh i agree!

hey, good luck on your trip and on your job too!


20 posted on 08/27/2006 8:15:32 AM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: George Smiley

You don't have to go through the District to get from NC to PA. Look at a map. If you don't have an atlas, go buy one.


21 posted on 08/27/2006 8:45:53 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: brityank

Thanks for reminding me of:

http://www.packing.org

I couldn't recall that web address.

jm


22 posted on 08/27/2006 8:48:09 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: leda

Southeastern Pennsylvania.


23 posted on 08/27/2006 8:49:31 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley

taking 81 would be way out of your way then.

i'd stick with 95 to 301 back to 95, as brityank suggested,
if you have time. if your in more of a hurry, just take 95
but go east on 495, like patton suggested. just watch the
signs on 495. stay on the beltway (495) going into md, don't
go through d.c.


24 posted on 08/27/2006 9:13:53 AM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: leda

Thanks.

How much time does taking 301 add to the trip?

I *do* like going off the interstate, but also want to spend as little time in MD as possible.


25 posted on 08/27/2006 12:35:01 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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Thanks. How much time does taking 301 add to the trip?

45 minutes. But if you hit an accident on 95, you'll save many hours by taking 301.

26 posted on 08/27/2006 12:39:05 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: George Smiley; NittanyLion

nittany has it right. plus there have been alot of changes
where 95 dumps onto the beltway..."the mixing bowl" ugh!
... and there's a new span of the wilson bridge too.

on 301 you'll go through a big chunk of md, but it's more
remote/rural, alot less traffic and a prettier drive too.


27 posted on 08/27/2006 12:55:18 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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HarleyLady27 08/26/2006 11:05:51 PM EDT

George:

AR-15's automatic are legal in PA. BUT your N.C. permit will NOT be legal in PA. Whether you are a resident or not, to have a concealed permit, you have to have one from PA.

What your talking about is a Federal permit and only law enforcement have those....so you'll have to get one when you get here...

It is my understanding that NC and PA recognize each others' concealed carry permits.

Here's the NC link:

http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Publications&file=listofstates.pdf

So NC govt site says that NC and PA are reciprocal.

Here's the PA link:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Crime/NC_Reciprocity_Agreement.pdf

Anybody else care to comment?


28 posted on 08/27/2006 4:43:47 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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To: George Smiley
When you come thru Richmond look for the cut over to RT 301 North around Bowling Green. It will go by Ft A.P Hill the big military base, slows around Waldorf MD and when you get to RT 50 go east across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and then north right into Wilmington and other paces PA south east. If your location is not so far east in PA continue on RT 201 north until you intersect I 695 around Baltimore. You can take the FT McHenry tunnel or the eastern bridge but get on I 95 north to Phily. You avoid DC totally and going thru DC slows that down. I found the FT McHenry tunnel under Baltimore harbor faster and the second exit after that is 95 north.

If you can avoid the I 495 around DC since traffic can be awful except at certain times. Unless you are familiar with the area. If you do want to travel the I 495 beltway then take 95 north from Richmond continue until you hit I 495 head east over to the Woodrow Wilson Bridge The new span is open and take 495 around MD to 95 north to Baltimore. I would suggest that if you take 495 around MD that you get off at the Baltimore Washington Pkwy or 295 north . That exit is before I 95 and will take you to the FT Mchenry tunnel faster.
29 posted on 08/27/2006 5:22:33 PM PDT by Rhiannon
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