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Opinions clash in initial meeting of Ark. immigration watch group
The Sentinel-Record (a newspaper in hot springs) ^ | 8/30/06 | BY JAMES JENNINGS

Posted on 08/30/2006 3:49:52 PM PDT by pulaskibush

Opinions clash in initial meeting of Ark. immigration watch group

Viewpoints clashed Tuesday night during the Arkansas Minuteman Civil Defense Corps organizational meeting at Lake Hamilton Fire Department.

Nearly half of the packed meeting room at the station were there to voice their opposition to the organization’s mission, while the other half voiced staunch support.

"It’s up to us to do what we can to protect the birthright of our children and grandchildren," meeting organizer Bill Riggins of Hot Springs told the crowd. "With every benefit and every reward comes responsibility."

Riggins called the influx of illegal immigrants into the United States an "invasion of our southern borders."

Greg Thompson, national training director for the organization, compared the work of the Minutemen to that of a neighborhood watch program.

He explained that volunteers watch the U.S./Mexican border and report any illegal activity to law enforcement.

Someone from the audience asked by what authority they have to conduct their operations. The question brought about a heated exchange between the two sides.

"We’ve got the right to defend our property," a man shouted. "The Mexican border is not your property," a woman responded. "We’re Americans, and that’s our property," the man replied. Thompson told the crowd that the meeting was for people who were interested in joining the Minutemen, and if people were not interested, they could leave.

"Your opinion is not welcome," he said. Thompson said that illegal immigrants are exploited in many different ways, and that efforts to stem illegal immigration would actually help protect them.

"We have saved hundreds of illegal people coming across the border in the desert," he said. "They didn’t have water; they didn’t have food.

"The next time you stay in a hotel and see a Latino maid, remember that 77 percent of these women have been molested in their journey across this country."

He also denied that the group was involved in any sort of racism. "If people make the slightest implication that they are racist, they cannot be allowed to join," he said.

Riggins explained that they are trying to stop illegal immi grants, not legal ones. "We’re not talking about le gal immigrants," he said. "We welcome and certainly need their participation in our orga nization." Thompson echoed the point, saying that immigrants should follow the legal procedures to get into the country.

"We believe there’s a better way to bring people into this country," he said. "It would let them work, let them pay taxes and let them learn English." Trina Fortanelli-Lezana, the 23-year-old daughter of a Mexican immigrant, argued that people come into the country trying to make better lives for their families.

"We do need to secure our borders," she said. "But, against terrorists, not people who want to come make better lives for their families." Thompson closed the meeting to only those who wished to join the organization.

Thompson

Riggins

IN DEBATE: Regina Clark, left, Barbara Flores and Trina Fortanelli-Lezama engage in a discussion with a man who declined to be identified following a meeting of the Arkansas Minuteman Civil Defense Corps at the Lake Hamilton Fire Station on Tuesday.

(not shown is Trina Fortanelli-Lezana's mother, who was the biggest mouth in the illegal crowd. She was also the biggest person in the room!)


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You have to subscribe to the Sentinel Record to read their stories on the web. I entered bogus data to get the story.

Now the real story. There were about 60 to 70 people there. Only about a dozen of them were pro-illegal. The room was packed. The media brought cameras into the room. About 5 minutes into the meeting, the illegal group interrupted by yelling questions about minutmen attacking illegals and being armed. They were asked to hold their questions but continued. Riggins then asked someone to contact the sherriff's office. That's when the illegal crowd calmed down. Riggins talked about the immigrant children that he had adopted. A Cuban guy(I think a freeper) stood up and stated his support for immigration reform. A woman stating she is a democrat talked about a housing project being flooded with illegals and demanded enforcement. Several non-media people took pictures and recorded the meeting.

Thompson stated that those not wanting to join should leave. The illegal crowd went outside and yelled at whoever walked out. I argued with them when I walked out and tried to take pictures but it was too dark for my camera to work right. The Sentinel Record didn't bother to put photos of the whole room or me or the Cuban guy or the woman debating the illegal crowd. There should be some video out soon.

Carlos Cervantes, the President of LULAC was also there, but said nothing and left early.

1 posted on 08/30/2006 3:49:55 PM PDT by pulaskibush
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To: pulaskibush
The Arkansas minuteman website has just been created: http://www.minutemanhq.com/state/index.php?chapter=AR

The stupid headline in the paper was "Opinions clash in initial meeting of Ark. immigration watch group".

2 posted on 08/30/2006 3:54:03 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: pulaskibush

If they were illegal, they have no right to be at the meeting . What part of ILLEGAL don't they know ? Kick their a$$es out . They basically have no right to anything in the country .


3 posted on 08/30/2006 3:54:32 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: pulaskibush
Why wouldn't illegals here want to stop the flow? I mean the classic line here in Calif is they should stop letting people move here, when? after I arrive.
4 posted on 08/30/2006 3:55:49 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: pulaskibush

You must use the original headline and you must provide a link, even if it requires registration.

I've changed the headline, but I need the link, or the whole thread is subject to being pulled.


5 posted on 08/30/2006 3:56:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: pulaskibush

why can't these phony immigrants and criminal aliens just use their Mexican ID's and be done with it? Perfectly legal here!


6 posted on 08/30/2006 3:56:10 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Renegade
They were pro-illegal but were US citizens. They were almost arrested by the six cops that showed up.
7 posted on 08/30/2006 3:56:14 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: pulaskibush; 1tin_soldier; a-whole-nother-box-of-pandoras; Ahban; Arkansawyer; Arkinsaw; ...

Arkansas Ping


8 posted on 08/30/2006 3:56:30 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: pulaskibush

I'll give you about three more minutes to comply with the rules.


9 posted on 08/30/2006 4:03:55 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

What rules are you refering to?


10 posted on 08/30/2006 4:05:10 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Here is the link to the paper. You have to register for a subscription, but you can enter bogus data:

http://epaper.wehco.com/Daily/Skins/HotSprings/


11 posted on 08/30/2006 4:11:23 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: pulaskibush

You changed the headline in violation of the rules, and you haven't provided a link to a published story.

You didn't sign up here yesterday.

Now provide the link to the story and quit playing games.


12 posted on 08/30/2006 4:11:47 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: pulaskibush

LULAC Threats?

WHY did the Arkansas media mostly ignore, and in the case of one television station blatantly LIE about the threatning remarks made by the racist organization LULAC ?

Channel 11 News reported: Cerventez says, “I think eventually somebody's going to get hurt." when the truth is the progressive racist leader clearly stated: "I think eventually somebody will probably get killed." The others simply ignored the statement completely.

Charles Cervantes of Little Rock, state director of the Arkansas chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) spewed a disgusting personal attack against the members of the Minuteman patriotic group describing them as "retired old men who have nothing else to do other than play cowboys and Indians out in the desert." and later said "...they are just U.S. Citizens."



1.. Somebody's going to get killed!
http://acan.gohotsprings.com/modules.php?name=zina&op=modload&file=index&l=8&p=Minuteman/LULAC_1a.mp3&m=1

2. They're just U.S. Citizens
http://acan.gohotsprings.com/modules.php?name=zina&op=modload&file=index&l=8&p=Minuteman/LULAC_3a.mp3&m=1


13 posted on 08/30/2006 4:14:06 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: pulaskibush

Thanks, that's all we ask. Provide a link to where someone can read the story, even if they need to sign up. And use the original headline from that source.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 4:16:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: pulaskibush
"They didn’t have water; they didn’t have food."

If they weren't doing somethinhg they shouldn't have been doing then they wouldn't have been in that position.

"...not people who want to come make better lives for their families."

When those people want to make better lives for their families at the expense of the quality of life for our own families, then they are not welcome. And we have enough home grown criminals without giving a whole bunch more a pass on their utter disregard for the law. Of course, those responsible for enforcing the law seem to have equal disregard for it, so it's pretty hard to expect anyone to take it seriously.

16 posted on 08/30/2006 4:19:37 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Here is the link to where you may see the front page.

http://epaper.wehco.com/Default/Client.asp?skin=HotSprings&Daily=TheSenRec&AW=1156979807170

For what good it will do - the Hot-Springs Sentinel Record website , in plain english, ****s! It takes 5 steps to log in and look at one article in a pseudo-pdf format.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 4:20:37 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: pulaskibush

Found this headlining a page in the Hot-Springs Sentinel Record last night!
The original graphic was one of those strobe-light flashing ones - WARNING - Viewer may find it offensive:
http://www.timerealms.com/images/F_RT.jpg

Call them to register your complaint (they're usually very progressive anti-American)
501-623-7711
Melinda Gassaway is the editor


18 posted on 08/30/2006 4:22:07 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: sweetliberty
Yep, when those who are supposed to uphold the law simply give lip service and grant illegals every right of a U.S. citizen, then something is bad wrong.
19 posted on 08/30/2006 5:07:03 PM PDT by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: All
Here is the link to the audio files dealing with the original report on Friday (Little Rock) and the one last night in Hot Springs.

I have one audio file to go through but the bedlam from the low-class racist socialists LULAC members may make it hard to make it clear.

Click Here for Audio Files from Arkansas Conservative Action Network
20 posted on 08/30/2006 6:25:17 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: TimesDomain

I added the second audio clip - I left it unedited with all the yelling and rude interruptions from the LULAC communists in the back of the room.

I stopped recording after 42 minutes - it was just more of the same and by then I was disgusted by their entire display

060829_ArkMinuteman_2.mp3

What was really pitiful, is the predictable use of their own little children they drag in for protection and effect -- just like Hezbollah!


21 posted on 08/30/2006 6:44:15 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: pulaskibush

bttt


22 posted on 08/30/2006 7:51:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


23 posted on 08/31/2006 8:54:55 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: pulaskibush
." Trina Fortanelli-Lezana, the 23-year-old daughter of a Mexican immigrant, argued that people come into the country trying to make better lives for their families.

Using Trina's twisted logic, if I wanted to make a better life for my family, it would be ok to steal from her family.

24 posted on 08/31/2006 2:44:23 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: TimesDomain
Charles Cervantes of Little Rock, state director of the Arkansas chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) spewed a disgusting personal attack against the members of the Minuteman patriotic group describing them as "retired old men who have nothing else to do other than play cowboys and Indians out in the desert." and later said "...they are just U.S. Citizens."

No, that would be cowboys and Mexicans. We've already played cowboys and Indians.

25 posted on 08/31/2006 10:07:45 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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