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An Open Letter to Roger Waters...
ModernConservative.com ^ | Christopher Cook

Posted on 09/18/2006 9:07:57 AM PDT by connell

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1 posted on 09/18/2006 9:08:01 AM PDT by connell
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To: connell

Didn't realize they were taking it to the Dark Side.


2 posted on 09/18/2006 9:10:55 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

The "peace sign" is nothing but the footprint of the American chicken.

Roger Waters has become comfortably dumb.

3 posted on 09/18/2006 9:13:22 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's not rocket surgery.)
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To: connell

I thought I would share this experience on this thread.

I generally try to segregate my politics and my entertainment (music, movies, etc.)

But there are a few "entertainers" who will not get my money. Barbara Streisand. Jane Fonda. Susan Sarandan. Sean Penn. And so on.

I went to see Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) recently (September 9th) at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield, MA. The show was great, until about halfway through the show, when the whole thing took a political turn, and became a huge anti-war, anti-republican anti-Bush tirade.

I sat there, sitting on my hands, steaming like hell. At one point, I just burst out in replay to a lengthy, sappy diatribe (about the "innocent Lebanese" "we" were killing...) "Maybe someone should ask the Israelies how innocent some of those Lebanese were!"

At another time, they bought out a giant helium Macy's Parade size pink pig with "Fuck Bush" written on it, and "VOTE DEMOCRAT IN NOVEMBER" on one side, and on the other side it said "KAFKA RULES". They paraded this around the crowd, then released it into the air (open air theater)

I was so effing mad and wanted to leave, but I didn't want to ruin it for all the people around me who I had gone to the show with.

Afterwards, I thought "What should my expectations have been?" Surely, if I had known anything about Roger Waters, I should have fully expected it (I didn't...I just liked the music of Pink Floyd, never delved into the political aspect of their music such as The Wall, Animals and Wish You Were Here. I simply liked the music.)

And truth be told, I always felt that the music in The Wall could be more easily and appropriately applied to the Liberals.

Anyway, I ended up blaming myself in the end for being ignorant. After all, who could be upset at going to a strip club and seeing naked women inside?


4 posted on 09/18/2006 9:13:59 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: SerpentDove

That damned pig. I was so frikking angry.


5 posted on 09/18/2006 9:14:42 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: rlmorel

Just a question. Did you also feel ripped off due to the fact that Roger is lip-syncing all of his concert performances these days?


6 posted on 09/18/2006 9:17:41 AM PDT by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: rlmorel

Animals is probably my favorite PF album, but even I could figure at that basically it's a allegory about the workers (Sheep) ultimately overthrowing the capitalists (Dogs and Pigs).

The irony is that, at the end Waters character admits that he is himself a Dog.


7 posted on 09/18/2006 9:21:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: connell

Good job on the letter.

I remember going over to a friend's house just after The Wall album was released. I was in middle school.

After listening to the album only once, and a fairly casual listening at that, I thought it was the most depressing thing I had ever heard.

I remember going home feeling depressed. I thought whoever wrote those songs must be suicidal.

Not that I don't appreciate Pink Floyd or Roger Waters as very talented artists.

But their inspiration comes from some place I'd rather not be.


8 posted on 09/18/2006 9:23:43 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's not rocket surgery.)
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To: SerpentDove

This pig who wrote on a pig does realize that the Election is on November 7, not november 2...doesn't it?

November 2 was the date of the 2004 Election. This year, November 2 is on a Thursday. I know, because I leave for India on Wednesday, November 1.


9 posted on 09/18/2006 9:30:44 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Ma'am, you don't have to thank us. You just go beat him for us." Soldier to Irey re: Murtha)
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To: Brian Mosely

BWAAAHAAAHAA!
No, really? To be honest, not only could I not tell, but...I thought his voice was losing it in a few places, it really sounded weak and quavery. Is it true, because I couldn't tell...OTOH...I was sitting far enough away that I could only really see his face on the big screens...


10 posted on 09/18/2006 9:45:56 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: dfwgator

"Animals" was my favorite Pink Floyd album, too, back in the day. (I had it on eight-track - that's how old I am - lol). All of Floyd's music was "anti-establishment". What Waters doesn't seem to realize is that the Dem party has set up an establishment, and we are the new anti-establishment.


11 posted on 09/18/2006 9:51:13 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I liked Animals in spite of Waters, by far it was Gilmour's Finest Hour on guitar.


12 posted on 09/18/2006 9:52:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SerpentDove
Too funny.
Whoever did that was too stupid to know the difference between a peace symbol and the Mercedes-Benz logo!
13 posted on 09/18/2006 9:52:36 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Please do not emanate into the penumbra.)
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To: connell
How do you prove the left has no intellectual capacity? Wait for them to speak, or in this case, write on a pig. Drudge's site says the pigs read 'New Yorkers/Don't be led to the slaughter/Vote November 7', but on both pics I've seen, it says "Nov. 2" (liberal media bias? oh wait :) ), as mentioned before. The Mercedes symbol was the killer, though.

I always kind of hated Pink Floyd. Slow, tripped-out acid rock. They play them all the time on classic rock stations, so I tried to make myself like them. I began to, but now I know why I never really liked them. No substance, musically or intellectually. Heavy metal forever.

14 posted on 09/18/2006 10:08:42 AM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: dfwgator

[I liked Animals in spite of Waters, by far it was Gilmour's Finest Hour on guitar.]



AMEN to that.


15 posted on 09/18/2006 10:14:05 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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To: Tim Long

This isn't Pink Floyd, this is Roger Waters. He left/got booted out in 1982.


16 posted on 09/18/2006 10:16:21 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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To: rlmorel

I'm disgusted to hear this about the Roger Waters concert. My son bought me tickets for the Sept 30 show in Indianapolis. I wish now I didn't have to go. I won't even want to enjoy it with it being a political rally.


17 posted on 09/18/2006 10:18:38 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

>> My son bought me tickets for the Sept 30 show in Indianapolis. I wish now I didn't have to go. <<

Maybe bring an inflatable of your own. Or a BB gun.


18 posted on 09/18/2006 10:24:59 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's not rocket surgery.)
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To: spinestein
This isn't Pink Floyd, this is Roger Waters. He left/got booted out in 1982.

But is he really known for anything else? Also, I thought the pigs were a reference to Floyd (I never understood that).

19 posted on 09/18/2006 10:25:08 AM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: connell
I use a Pink Floyd song as a theme for my group's efforts to stop certain librarians from tirelessly working to sexualize American children in public libraries by laying the groundwork for others to do the dirty work. I see the following quote as relevant to my efforts:
You say the hill's too steep to climb. Climb it. You say you'd like to see me try. Climb it. You pick the place and I'll choose the time, and I'll climb that hill in my own way. Just wait a while for the right day. And as I rise above the treeline and the clouds I look down, hearing the sound of the things you said today.
Pink Floyd/Meddle/Fearless [10M mpeg]

Indeed, the nation's de facto chief librarian says the hill is too steep to climb -- her propaganda and near total control wins out over local control. And one day I'll stop her and her organization (the so-called American Library Association) from further sexualizing children. So, despite this news about Roger Waters, I'm sticking with these words on my group's web site.

SafeLibraries.org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?

SafeLibraries. org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?

20 posted on 09/18/2006 10:27:35 AM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: SerpentDove

Yea, they'd probably toss me out if I brought my own inflatable advertising.


21 posted on 09/18/2006 10:28:33 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver; SerpentDove

Believe me, I fervently wished I had a BB gun, slingshot or something. I was pretty angry. But, I tried not to let it show, because I didn't want to sour it for everyone I went with. They just are not nearly as political.


22 posted on 09/18/2006 10:37:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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I'm really starting to get curious as to if it was November 2nd on the pig, and if they were just pulling out the pigs from 2004 and painting the sides.

But really, while I respect Rodger's consistency in being anti-war, ya gotta have a wicked sense of irony to paint DNC propaganda on the side of a flying pig. I mean, really, did the DNC make this decision? Because it sounds like a Howard Dean Good Idea (tm).
23 posted on 09/18/2006 10:50:32 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kingu

LOL...I like the "tm"...

Yes, it was November 2nd, and yes, I did wonder about that.


24 posted on 09/18/2006 11:16:24 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: kingu

LOL...no kidding...pigs with wings...

Libs have as much capacity for humor and recognition of irony as the Islamofacists...which means none.


25 posted on 09/18/2006 11:17:59 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: rlmorel
Yes, it was November 2nd, and yes, I did wonder about that.

Great. We'll have liberals around the nation suing election boards because they went to vote on Thursday, Nov 2nd, and were disenfranchised by lack of polling places.
26 posted on 09/18/2006 11:20:41 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: connell

I was at the Waters show in Camden, NJ Sat 9/16 and the pig he used there made no reference to Bush, no reference to "vote democrat", etc... and there was no real anti-Bush diatribe that I heard...I think after the reception they got in MSG in NY (major booing) he realized it needed to be toned down... and it was.


27 posted on 09/18/2006 12:48:17 PM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol hordes destroying America from within.)
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I go to a lot of music festivals--mainly bluegrass and related genres. As recently as last year, there would be substantial audience booing when an artist made an anti-Bush comment from the stage. This season, there have been many more such comments and no audible response from the audience.


28 posted on 09/18/2006 3:28:17 PM PDT by drubyfive
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To: AbeKrieger

Glad to hear that there was booing!


29 posted on 09/18/2006 4:02:23 PM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: SerpentDove

I've been seeing that "new" peace sign a lot lately. Are they just ignorant of its actual design, is it an intentional change, or is it a giant corporate conspiracy by Mercedes?


30 posted on 09/18/2006 4:04:07 PM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: plan2succeed.org

"Fearless" is a fantastic song. My classic rock band covers it and we get people coming up to us after the show asking what the name of it is and who it's by because it's so rarely played on the radio.


31 posted on 09/18/2006 6:23:12 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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Agreed. And since you have a classic rock band, I have something to say to you.

FREEeeeeeBIiiiiiRrrrD!!!!
32 posted on 09/18/2006 8:05:10 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: plan2succeed.org
A wise person once informed me, "They don't really want to hear 'Freebird', they're just HECKLING you."



I've been playing classic rock covers for 20 years and I refuse to EVER play "Freebird" or "Stairway to Heaven".

Never have. Never will.
33 posted on 09/18/2006 10:21:26 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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To: Tim Long; caver

I see adverts for the Roger Waters concert in my current 'Illinois Entertainer' and they read "ROGER WATERS -- THE CREATIVE GENIUS BEHIND PINK FLOYD ... "


WOW! What an EGO!

I think it's safe to say that "The Pink Floyd" was no longer the same band after he left in '82, though Gilmour, Wright and Mason recorded two more albums which were decent, but for Waters to think that he's worth more than the others is astounding. His albums since leaving "the Floyd" have been nothing but stomach churning tripe.

Oh, and somebody should tell him that having too much plastic surgery will eventually catch up to a person and result in a face like Michael Jackson now wears.


34 posted on 09/18/2006 10:36:51 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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I read an article about this in the Wall Street Journal. About Freebird being constantly shouted out at concerts. It was within the past year. It involved some remaining Van Zandt family members. It discussed why people do it and how different bands have reacted. While I do not recall the article perfectly, I think shouting Freebird is more of a "fun" thing to do, not meant to be heckling. Like my post. I thought it was just fun. Certainly I was not heckling you. That WSJ article was actually funny. Like how one of the Van Zandt's went to some concert and people started shouting Freebird and he joined in and his wife was embarrased. Something like that. I'm not sure exactly. But it was a good read, and it might put you at ease regarding people shouting that at you. Yes! I found the WSJ article linked here: What Song Is It You Wanna Hear?.

"Rock's Oldest Joke: Yelling 'Freebird!' In a Crowded Theater" by Jason Fry, Wall Street Journal, 17 March 2005, page A1.

Search Google for more.
35 posted on 09/19/2006 4:37:02 AM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.plan2succeed.org)
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To: rlmorel

I really wish I could just continue to enjoy the music, acting, and art of such people, without them reminding me of just how much they hate me, my values, and---frankly---my country.

It's getting harder and harder to separate the two.


36 posted on 09/19/2006 7:57:35 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: Brian Mosely

He is?

That is seriously lame.


37 posted on 09/19/2006 7:58:13 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: SerpentDove

Perhaps you had more sense than I did in middle school!

:-)


38 posted on 09/19/2006 7:59:33 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: spinestein
His albums since leaving "the Floyd" have been nothing but stomach churning tripe.

So was "The Final Cut." I much prefer "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" and "The Division Bell" over that clanker.

39 posted on 09/19/2006 8:01:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tim Long

My wife was the lead guitarist for a couple of Los Angeles and Phoenix heavy metal bands back in the 90s. I suspect she might agree with you!


40 posted on 09/19/2006 8:02:07 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: kingu

Ha!
Democrats will win when pigs fly... I didn't even think of that :-)

I should have caught that---I get up waaaaaaay too early in the morning.


41 posted on 09/19/2006 8:10:37 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: AbeKrieger

I hope there is booing anywhere where it happens!


42 posted on 09/19/2006 8:11:59 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: spinestein

Both good songs, though.

My wife actually got to play Jimmy Page's doubleneck---THE doubleneck, with Page standing right beside her. My first question to her:

"Did you play Stairway?"


43 posted on 09/19/2006 8:14:16 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. "The Final Cut" is excruciating, particularly having to endure Roger's vocals which sound as if someone has punched him in the stomach before each song.

If you look at the album cover, you'll see that it really is a Roger Water's solo album as he claims it's "performed by the Pink Floyd". Waters is making it clear that the others are just hired help.


44 posted on 09/19/2006 8:31:19 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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To: spinestein

And Richard Wright wasn't even on TFC, as he was fired during The Wall. Glad Gilmour brought him back.


45 posted on 09/19/2006 8:32:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: connell
[My wife actually got to play Jimmy Page's doubleneck---THE doubleneck, with Page standing right beside her.]


COOL BEANS. What were the circumstances leading up to that, and was she your wife at the time?
46 posted on 09/19/2006 8:34:12 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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To: dfwgator

That means that Nick Mason is the ONLY member of "The Pink Floyd" to have been in it from beginning to end.


47 posted on 09/19/2006 8:37:10 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule!)
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She was not my wife at the time.

She won a radio prize of a Les Paul signed by Page. When he found out that the winner of the contest was not only a guitar player but a woman guitar player, it went from a perfunctory event to a real surprise, where he was smiling and beaming, saying he wanted to see her play the doublneck, etc. She tells me the roadies were all blown away, saying that he was virtually never nice to anyone. There's more to it, but that's the gist.

No one ever believes her, but then she produces the photos and the video MTV took of the event :-)


48 posted on 09/19/2006 9:14:54 AM PDT by connell (Christopher from ModernConservative.com)
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To: rlmorel
And truth be told, I always felt that the music in The Wall could be more easily and appropriately applied to the Liberals.

Without a doubt!

Anyway, I ended up blaming myself in the end for being ignorant. After all, who could be upset at going to a strip club and seeing naked women inside?

Blame yourself for this flawed analogy instead. If you go to a strip club you expect to see naked women. If you go to a concert you ought to rightfully expect to hear music. Neither would normally be platforms for political rallies.

I love Pink Floyd, FWIW. My understanding is that Roger Waters parted company with Pink Floyd because he is such an a-hole. I know there was a dispute as to who had the legal right to keep the Pink Floyd name but AFAIC Floyd ain't Floyd without David Gilmour's guitar. I am curious (haven't been to a concert in 20 years) was the concert you saw billed as "Pink Floyd?"

49 posted on 09/19/2006 11:07:09 AM PDT by TigersEye (Visualize dead terrorists. (don't let the libs tell you its against the Geneva Convention))
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To: TigersEye

Not marketed by The Tweeter Center as Pink Floyd at all...but that is the way my friends marketed it to me, and, I would say, rightfully so (in a sense)

It was nearly all Pink Floyd music..so that was great.


50 posted on 09/19/2006 12:36:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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