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Russian scientists certain of the existence of God
Interfax- Religion ^ | 06 October 2006, 11:06 | Interfax Anatoly Akimov

Posted on 10/06/2006 3:45:55 PM PDT by RunningWolf

Moscow, October 6, Interfax – The existence of God has been proved by scientific methods, Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has stated.

‘There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will. This is the opinion of many scientists; they not only believe in the Creator but rely on certain knowledge’, he said in an interview published by the Moskovsky komsomolets daily on Friday.

The scientist noted that in the past centuries very many physicists believed in God. Moreover, until Isaac Newton, there was no separation between science and religion; science was practiced by clergy as they were the most educated people. Newton himself studied theology and used to repeat: ‘I deduce laws of mechanics from laws of God’.

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Academician Anatoly Akimov, director of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics, has expressed the views of many a genuine scientist, contemporaries in their fields.

And that is "There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will" This is the opinion of many scientists;

1 posted on 10/06/2006 3:45:56 PM PDT by RunningWolf
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FWI ping
2 posted on 10/06/2006 3:48:35 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

amen!


3 posted on 10/06/2006 3:50:03 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: RunningWolf
"Have you come to believe in God?" a priest asked him when he came to church. "No, I have simply realized that He cannot but exist!" the scientist answered.
4 posted on 10/06/2006 3:50:46 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: RunningWolf

I often look to science for evidence of God. I fail to understand how someone can look at the Hubbel deep field photos of space and not see God's handiwork.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 3:53:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: RunningWolf

Ok, now show that in a two column geometric proof.


6 posted on 10/06/2006 3:54:13 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Jaysun
I could relate to that as how a scientific mind might resolve and answer to such an enigma.

Wolf
7 posted on 10/06/2006 3:54:23 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: mtbopfuyn
You ask a lot from me!! LOL

Wolf
8 posted on 10/06/2006 3:55:26 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Jaysun
‘This does not contradict the basic tenets of the Bible.

It says in particular that God is omnipresent; He is present at every time and in every place.

We can see this is the case: the Lord has a boundless power to affect all that happens’

9 posted on 10/06/2006 3:57:52 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: taxesareforever; presently no screen name; fabian; Heartlander; tgambill
FWI Ping
10 posted on 10/06/2006 4:01:33 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: 1000 silverlings

ping


11 posted on 10/06/2006 4:03:37 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
science was practiced by clergy as they were the most educated people.

Hahahaha! How the heck does one "practice" science?
12 posted on 10/06/2006 4:12:02 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: RunningWolf

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This particular species of dog has been extremely elusive and rarely encountered by humans, which makes these findings all the more significant.  The language, now known as "dholish", scientists say consists of at least 11 basic sounds, ranging from a grumble to a "biphonic yap-squeak".  Biphonic sounds are those that appear to resonate two distinct voices at once.

Dholish seems to be a highly dynamic language; the meaning of the sound depends upon the speaker's age, social status, health and living environment.  "For example", explains researcher Ilya Volodin, "a dhole male will cry a whistling call if a female is separated because of problems with her health. This same call is produced by dhole parents and young who have become separated."

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13 posted on 10/06/2006 4:14:15 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: billybudd
That is probably a loss in the translation. There is 'The Scientific Method' and it can be practiced.

W.
14 posted on 10/06/2006 4:15:01 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Gumlegs
Is that similar to the American scientists who tried to show that those apes were really talking?
15 posted on 10/06/2006 4:18:38 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Here's another example of the writers of Scripture having knowledge of things they had know way of knowing. How would they know that things needed to be or were being held together?

These forces (strong and weak molecular forces) scientists have been *discovering* to explain why an atom doesn't fly apart could simply be an outworking of the power of God. But there's no way for scientists to determine the source of the force, only to either detect it or conclude that it's there. So they could be actually measuring the power of God actively at work and not even recognise it. They keep asking for physical evidence for Him and it just might be staring them in the face, but they don't know it. It's just one of the limitations of science. That's where Scripture can fill in knowledge where science is lacking.

16 posted on 10/06/2006 4:20:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gumlegs
The American Scientist, or rather 'The trouble with ape studies'

Early Research

Discourse with an ape. (1969, January). Scientific American, 50. (M)

Ford, B. (1970, May). How they taught a chimp to talk. Science Digest, 10-17. (L)

Gardener, R.A., & Gardener, B.T. (1969). Teaching sign language to an ape. Science, 165, 664-672.

No thanks, said the ape. (1971, December 20). Newsweek. 101. (L)

Premack, A.J., & Premack, D. (1971, October). Teaching language to an ape. Scientific American, 92-99. (M)

Premack, D. (1971). Language in a chimpanzee? Science, 172, 808-822. (H)

Later Research

D'Aulaire, E. & D'Aulaire O. (1975, October). The ape that "talks" with people. Reader's Digest, 94-98. (L)

Patterson, F. (1981, December). Koko, the articulate gorilla. Ms., 43-44, 46, 48. (L)

Sherman to Austin: Pass the bananas. (1978, August 19). Science News, 117-118. (M)

Controversy

Are those apes really talking? (1980, March 10). Time, 50. (L)

Begley, S. & Carey, J. (1979, December 31). Apes no use language. Newsweek, 66. (L)

Greenberg, J. (1980, May 10. Ape talk: More than pigeon English? Science News, 298-300 (M)

Premack, D., & Woodruff, G. (1978). Chimpanzee problem solving: A test for comprehension. Science, 202, 532-535. (H)

Savage-Rumbaugh, E.S., & Rumbaugh, D. (1979). Chimpanzee problem comprehension: Insufficient evidence. Science, 202, 1201-1202. (H)

Terrace, H.S., Petitto, L.A., Sanders, R.G., & Bever, T.G. (1979). Can an ape create a sentence? Science, 206, 891-902. (H)

Thompson, C.R., & Church, R.M. (1980). An explanation of the language of a chimpanzee. Science, 208, 313-314. (H)

The trouble with ape studies. (1979, November). Psychology Today, 63. (M)
17 posted on 10/06/2006 4:26:24 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
I strongly recommend The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis S. Collins.

Dr. Collins was the leader of the human genome project and through his work in decoding life's instruction manual, transformed from athiest to Christian.

Darwin himself was very religious, and if he came back today and saw what was being done in his name, I swear he'd go ballistic.

18 posted on 10/06/2006 4:26:34 PM PDT by Paul Heinzman (I don't owe you tolerance; I owe you what I owe everyone else -- my complete and utter indifference.)
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To: Paul Heinzman
Thank You I will check that author out.

W.
19 posted on 10/06/2006 4:28:01 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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Russian Creationists Placemarker.
20 posted on 10/06/2006 4:28:20 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: RunningWolf
I'm guessing one group or other of the Russian scientists may be dyslexic.

Woof.

21 posted on 10/06/2006 4:29:13 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: RunningWolf

I believe all the speaking apes now have jobs writing television news programs.


22 posted on 10/06/2006 4:30:59 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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Checking in to see if this thread will evolve ===> Placemarker <===
23 posted on 10/06/2006 4:33:02 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Gumlegs

LOL I think we might have found a place of agreement. I guess then the sex, violence and gender confused apes are in the movie industry ;)


24 posted on 10/06/2006 4:33:43 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
Suppose you are an ape, and suppose you are a member of Congress ... but I repeat myself.

With apologies to Mark Twain.

25 posted on 10/06/2006 4:35:25 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: RunningWolf

Counting down until the "all things evolution" dweebs slink in and trash this thread. Regular as clockwork.


26 posted on 10/06/2006 4:38:33 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: metmom
I think you are onto something there metmom
27 posted on 10/06/2006 4:39:38 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RightOnline
Hey well get in there with your good posts before that happens.

I want to hear what you say and think.

W.
28 posted on 10/06/2006 4:41:35 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: BlueDragon

BlueDragon ping


29 posted on 10/06/2006 4:42:50 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: billybudd
...science was practiced by clergy as they were the most educated people.

OK, so what's a better way of stating that people are *doing* science or engagint in it or running experiments? Doctors practice medicine, don't they? It's a legitimate use of the word and gets the meaning across.

30 posted on 10/06/2006 4:43:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RunningWolf

I'll tell you exactly what I think.

The young scientist says "Look how clever how I am for discovering this!"

The old scientist says "Look how clever God was to have done this!"

Now watch the usual jerkwads come in and make fun of me for saying that. It got old years ago here and I don't put up with it and they know it. We have a tacit understanding.


31 posted on 10/06/2006 4:49:58 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Gumlegs
LOL

I'm sure Mr. Clemens wouldn't mind the paraphrase. 'specially with the devolution of Congress we've seen in the last several decades (e.g. Murtha, Boxer, Bell, and that wacky cop hater).

32 posted on 10/06/2006 4:51:33 PM PDT by Paul Heinzman (Progress was all right. Only it went on too long. --James Thurber)
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To: RightOnline
I think you have it. The arrogance of the young juxtaposed to the wisdom of the old.

I guess both are part of the human condition.

W.
33 posted on 10/06/2006 4:54:14 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Paul Heinzman

Thanks.


34 posted on 10/06/2006 5:00:48 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: RunningWolf
There is God, and we can see the manifestations of His will

Thanks, RW. The Omnipresent God, indeed. We marvel at His creations. His Hand on everything; made it all - just the way He wanted it. No power is greater than The Almighty.
35 posted on 10/06/2006 5:37:09 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jorge

Jorge ping!


36 posted on 10/06/2006 5:42:36 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: metmom

Good post, metmom. Thanks. He holds it all in place with His spoken convenant Word. The Bible has the answers from beginning to end.


37 posted on 10/06/2006 5:50:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: metmom

That's why I think it's funny. It implies that "science" is some sort of discipline that can be "practiced", like dentistry. It's like saying you "practice" theology or philosophy.


38 posted on 10/06/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks!


39 posted on 10/06/2006 6:06:18 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks!


40 posted on 10/06/2006 6:06:20 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

With your awesome testimony, you came to mind immediately!


41 posted on 10/06/2006 6:59:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RunningWolf
Russian scientists certain of the existence of God

Committed materialists
or
Committed theists

These Russians just keep changing their minds!
42 posted on 10/06/2006 7:04:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: RightOnline
The young scientist says "Look how clever how I am for discovering this!"

The old scientist says "Look how clever God was to have done this!"

Yes, you'd think that Watson and Crick *invented* the double helix, wouldn't you.

43 posted on 10/06/2006 7:08:59 PM PDT by RussP
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To: RunningWolf

Wow! Great post!

Check out this from my homepage:

"This most elegant system of the sun, planets, and comets could not have arisen without the design and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being." --Sir Isaac Newton, The Principia

Think about it: the greatest scientist who ever lived, Isaac Newton, saw *proof* of the intelligent design of the solar system -- yet modern evolutionists can find no *evidence* of intelligent design in the human body and mind. Someone is profoundly wrong here, folks ... and it isn't Isaac Newton!


44 posted on 10/06/2006 7:13:32 PM PDT by RussP
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To: VOA
No they were always there, but their voices were silenced by the Lenin-Stalin powers (and/or they escaped).

I like your humor though!

W.
45 posted on 10/06/2006 7:25:55 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RussP
Someone is profoundly wrong here, folks ... and it isn't Isaac Newton!

That sir is the understatement of the year!

I will check out your homepage now.

W.
46 posted on 10/06/2006 7:28:03 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RussP

Funny how science has deteriorated, isn't it?


47 posted on 10/06/2006 7:33:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks.

There's lots of little odd comments the writers of Scripture put in like that. It's fascinating when you finally notice them.


48 posted on 10/06/2006 7:35:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RunningWolf

"No they were always there, but their voices were silenced by the
Lenin-Stalin powers (and/or they escaped)."

Yes, I was joshing a bit.
I don't know about the scientist demographic...but I do recall reading
that Stalin was horrified when his operatives discretely took a gauge of
public opinion after a few decades of "workers' paradise".
It appeared that years of browbeating had just about a zero effect on
the average Russian's (Soviet) personal belief (or disbelief) in religion.

That was discussed in this book:

The Twilight of Atheism: The Rise and Fall of Disbelief in the Modern World
by Alister Mcgrath

http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Atheism-Disbelief-Modern-World/dp/0385500610/sr=1-3/qid=1160188414/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-2346146-6554425?ie=UTF8&s=books


49 posted on 10/06/2006 7:42:14 PM PDT by VOA
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To: RussP
Hey great article on the '102. I don't think many people knew just what it took to fly the century series fighters from the '100 to the '105.

Back in 1992 I was taking flying lessons from a retired Air Force F-100 Lt. Colonel friend of mine. On my first flight with him he had me doing stall and spin recovery out in the Pacific over Half Moon Bay. I learned how to fly 'by the numbers' from him. He was a fantastic guy. He had also flown the F84 'talk about a lead sled' he said LOL.

The F-100 as several of the other century series aircraft were extremely critical on take off and landing, and if anything went wrong there it was pretty much over for you.

My 'plane of choice' would have been the F-105. Now that was the Cold War Warrior.

W.
50 posted on 10/06/2006 7:48:08 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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