Posted on 10/14/2006 9:22:19 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
TOKYO -- Why has the Intelligent Design (ID) movement grown so rapidly and with such increasing impact? Considering the relatively short history of the ID movement, such rapid growth is rather remarkable.
The origin of the ID movement was a small meeting of scientists at the California seaside resort of Pajaro Dunes. The meeting, convened by Phillip Johnson, professor of constitutional law at the University of California Berkeley, began as an informal discussion the fundamental issues of the origin and evolution of life. Johnson is the author of “Darwin on Trial,” published in 1991.
Twelve scientists including Johnson gathered there. Participants included Dr. Michael Behe, biochemist, Dr. William Dembski, mathematician, Dr. Stephen Meyer, scientific and philosophical historian and geophysicist, Dr. Dean Kenyon, chemist, Dr. Jonathan Wells, biologist, and Dr. Paul Nelson, biologist—all of whom are leading scientists in the ID movement today.
This serious, face-to-face exchange of opinions about origin and evolution of life became a major turning point for all the participants. Says Dr. Nelson, “as each participant shared his doubts about Darwinism, a new way of thinking gradually emerged.”
This meeting generated a stream of scientists seriously searching for answers to the origin and evolution of life. The main thrust of the ID movement emerged in November 1996, when about 200 scientists gathered at the “Mere Creation” conference at Biola University in Los Angeles. Dr. Henry Schaefer, Director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry, who signed “A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism,” participated in the conference.
Dr. Behe published “Darwin’s Black Box – The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution” in autumn 1996, and Dr. William Dembski published “The Design Inference” in 1998. These two books are recognized as the basic pillars of ID theory. National Review and World Magazine voted “Darwin’s Black Box” as one of the100 most important books of the 20th century.
Numerous relevant books and articles, as well as DVDs understandable to high school students, have been subsequently published, expanding the movement further. This led to “A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism,” a statement signed by 600 doctoral scientists from around the world publicly expressing their skepticism about the contemporary theory of Darwinian evolution.
One reason the movement has developed so rapidly in such a short time was the accumulated frustration felt by scientists bound by the limits of materialistic and Darwinian frames of thought. With the dramatic advances in astrophysics, biology and biochemistry in the past half century, many scientists have come to entertain doubts and voice frustration about the idea that the universe and life originated and evolved through a purely materialistic process. This suppressed frustration has erupted in a wake of emerging ID theoreticians.
The history and background of the ID movement shows that ID theory cannot simply be brushed aside as a version of creationism, which seeks to interpret the natural world through Biblical scripture.
Glad to see it made the distinction between ID and creationism though.
Because "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
bump.
> One of these days, Johnson, Behe, Dembski, Meyer and the rest will keel over dead, and then who will the cornerstones of ID be?
so ... Darwin is still alive?
For later read.
a statement signed by 600 doctoral scientists from around the world publicly expressing their skepticism about the contemporary theory of Darwinian evolution.
had to repeat it - it sounds so good
Maybe someone who will find a particle of supporting evidence, since none of the gentlemen has managed it...but I doubt it.
Glad to see it made the distinction between ID and creationism though.
The distinction is purely in the minds of the proponents: IDers put on lab coats and pretend to be scientists. Creationists don't bother.
The rest of us who value real science.
Obviously there will never be supporting evidence for the evolution part of ID. But at least in my mind there is a major hole in the big bang theory. The big bang theory is said to be the "creation of the universe theory" when it only explains the expansion of the universe. It does not explain the creation of matter or energy. The reason they can't explain it is because no event, no matter how large could create or destroy matter. Which means that all the matter and energy in the universe was created along with it.
These Evolution vs. Creation debates come up all the time it seems. Why is it so difficult to come to a compromise and say that God created the mechanism's which spawned the Big Bang and all that sprung from it, including the evolution of life and yes even Science .... give it a rest already and just accept what is here and now
And it never will. Thats the beauty of God's creation, He created such a magnificent riddle for us to figure out that we're all still barking over what is science and what is theology. My take on it is to go with the science end of it, because theology is the interpretation of so-called "Words of God" from mere mortal human beings, passed down thru the eons by word of voice and perhaps somewhat distorted as they were passed along from one to the next.
We can never know what existed before the Big Bang, until we get up there and have a chat with God, then we'll understand it all ... but in the meantime we can play with the magnificent creation that He has given to us and be fascinated with it .....
flame away if ya like, but thats my take on it
I suspect that Creationists have taken to themselves the Intelligent Design label, with the result of confusing the conversation. I think the proper target of your arguments, such as they are, is Creationism and a certain approach to interpretatin of the Bible, not ID.
This is a taxonomic comment, not a comment about merits.
Can you share your evidence for this characterization?
There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...
How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...
There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...
How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...
You don't believe that, do you?
Well, not quite. It could be that the Mother of All Quantum fluctuations also "created" a bunch of "negative matter", or "negative energy" at the same time. There is *some* evidence for that IIRC, and some theory to support the notion.
There you go with the claim that there is no evidence for supporting intelligent design. How many times must I tell you, the evidence is abundant because practically everything in nature is admissible as evidence, and the conflict ensues only over the differing interpretations of the evidence?
No history of ID would be complete without the Wedge Strategy.
This planning document, which somehow escaped from the Discovery Institute, lays out all of the plans and goals for the ID movement. And guess what? The goals are theistic! This business of the designer being unknown is just for the rubes:
Governing Goals
- To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
- To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God.
My, that's original...
About the same as Phillip Johnson.
"It certainly could be God, a supernatural creature, but in principle it could be space aliens of high intelligence who did the designing."-- Phillip Johnson, Apr 2002 - SFGate.com
“This isn’t really, and never has been, a debate about science ... It’s about religion and philosophy.”-- Phillip Johnson, 1996 - World magazine.
“Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools.”-- Johnson, 2003 - American Family Radio
Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools.You mean, they've been lying to us all this time? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!-- Johnson, 2003 - American Family Radio
(Just like it says in the Wedge Strategy.)
In Rick's Cafe, of all places.
Will that be before or after they pass through the gate to eternity? That's the pivotal question.
Haven't heard from you in a while, though I see it's just because you haven't personally pinged me, you've still been active on the forum.
Just like Dembski said in the SanFranChron: "[The Intelligent Designer] could be space aliens. There are many possibilities."
Sounds like creationism to me! Only...not!
That reminds me...
How do you know when a Young-Earth-Creationist is lying?
I give up. How do you know? (/straightman mode)
Well, it makes nice armchair philosophy but it isn't science. A point that eludes you over and over again.
Intellectual compromise between two different points of view is one thing. Certain people, however, believe their particular philosophy of history is entitled to exclusive status in the public arena by law. Their first mistake is confusing a philosophy of history for "science." Their second mistake is in believing their ideas are guaranteed such exclusivity by our Constitution.
The language and intent of the Constitution is uncompromising in guaranteeing a right for all to be heard in public schools, science classes etc., no matter how impractical or offensive such a milieu may be.
Two things are for certain; the earth did not come from itself and neither did anything on it...
The believers of evolutionism feel they are entitled to affirmative action and are on educational welfare...
Everything in nature is admissible evidence both the earth and everything on it came from somewhere else...
And your point is............?
"Remember, we are all His creatures."
Ooooh, some big scary hobgoblin, harrowing displays of blasphemy. Actually, it is an illiterate and simple minded mentality.
Being an atheist, I see evolutionism as a religion on educational welfare and whose adherents want some sort of affirmative action.
The only reason most evolutionists are here is to throw sh*t on the Christians. Screw the evolutionists...
Oh, yeah, MonolithMonkeyBoy, we all know you're about as atheist as the Pope on LSD.
I am not the one with reference to Christian theology in my screen name - - you are.
Get an education... going through life fat, drunk and stupid is no way to live...
Oh no. You might scorch the tomato paste.
how is that any different from believing in a flying spaghetti monster...
Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn, or the Woodland Pixie, or Zeus, or Odin, or Mithra, or Yahweh, or ...
Face it Dishwood, you're just one god away from being an atheist.
Wow! This is a tough question but I'll take a shot:
Theres lots of ignoramuses out there?
Sir Francis...you said..."Go get fisted drip78645"
I hardly know what to say to this...perhaps, merely letting your post speak for you and itself, is sufficient...
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