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What the heck is going on with Santorum in Pennsylvania?
myself | 10/28/2006 | Artemis Webb

Posted on 10/28/2006 6:57:25 AM PDT by Artemis Webb

Can somebody explain to me what is going on in Pennsylvania with Santorum?

I'm in Missouri and I have to admit I really don't know much about the man but I do know he has a rating in the mid 90's from the American Conservative Union.

Realclearpolitics.com has Santorum as being down 10.2% in the polls.

Good Lord! How the heck are we suppose to get that sonofabitch Murtha out of the Pennsylvania 12th and get Diana Irey in if we can't even hold on to an incumbent Senate seat?


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: anotherfalsecasey; anotherfalsepoll; demunionthugs; gaybobbycasey; nowlingisatroll; pennsylvania; prolifesantorum; ricksantorum; santorum; senate; wimpybobbycasey
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1 posted on 10/28/2006 6:57:28 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Artemis Webb

Santorum has an albatross named Arlen Specter hanging around his neck.


2 posted on 10/28/2006 7:06:26 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Artemis Webb
Realclearpolitics.com has Santorum as being down 10.2% in the polls.

Ignore the polls. Keep in mind the polls also predicted Dewey defeated Truman in 1948 and had Gore defeating Bush in Florida in 2000. The only accurate poll and the only one that counts occurs on November 7th.
3 posted on 10/28/2006 7:07:21 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Artemis Webb

I live next door to Pa here in Blue State New Jersey. Pa. is also a blue state driven by Philadelphia and Pittsburgh intercity Democratic machines. All area outside of those two places are Red State America. Murtha is from a Red State area so it's possible for that old fool to be voted out while the empty suit Casey is voted in.


4 posted on 10/28/2006 7:09:41 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (NJ's former Governor only wanted to screw guys. The current Governor wants to screw everybody)
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To: Man50D

I'm way ahead of you. Just read my post.


5 posted on 10/28/2006 7:09:55 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Artemis Webb

Worse environment for Republicans in 20 years. Our GOP majorities in MI are getting hammered, too.

The conservative base is not energized. Republican's haven't really given them a reason to be whereas the liberal left has been singularly focused on tying Repblican to Bush and their based is extremely fired up.

Republican's took the majority in '94 by saying "vote for us because we are different than those bums." But I can't see too much that they done in the last five years that distinguishes them from the Dims. When that happens, I think all the Independents we pulled to our side revert back to voting Democrat.


6 posted on 10/28/2006 7:10:07 AM PDT by Nowling (blogs at www.lunchbucketconservative.com)
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To: Artemis Webb
It's a number of things.

Some of the C's in PA are angry with him over his support for Specter (RINO) in the 2004 election, turning his back on Conservative Pat Toomy. That's probably a small part of the electorate, but it's a crucially important one, cause those are the politically active folks who get the word out and write the checks.

There's strong national movement made up of Moveon.org/codepink/DU types that has been telling people for a couple of years that Santorum has stated that gays are like beastialitists and women shouldn't be allowed to work if they have kids. That's picked up some traction amongst those who can't be bothered to think for themselves ("Our candidates are debating tonight, but Everybody Loves Raymond is on and I've only seen it twice.")

There's a significant portion of Pennsylvanians who think they're voting for his father who died 12 years ago.

The perfect storm for Rickels.
7 posted on 10/28/2006 7:15:56 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Nowling

Welcome to FR


8 posted on 10/28/2006 7:24:04 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: Nowling

9 posted on 10/28/2006 7:27:12 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Nowling

They are watching you.....

10 posted on 10/28/2006 7:29:48 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: nonliberal

The left DESPISES Santorum because he's a Pro-life Catholic.


11 posted on 10/28/2006 7:31:36 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Nowling

Your post reeks of trollbait macaca, newbie.


12 posted on 10/28/2006 7:34:39 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles; Nowling
Bull. All you ar focusing on is his membership date. Use your head...all of you and your lame cat pics.

Welcom Nowling.

13 posted on 10/28/2006 7:37:52 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: TankerKC; Nowling

Nowling is a troll.


14 posted on 10/28/2006 7:41:11 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

Based on what?


15 posted on 10/28/2006 7:42:50 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: TankerKC

Based on the stench of the posts.


16 posted on 10/28/2006 7:45:00 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: nonliberal

For those of us not in PA, what has Specter done to help Santorum? I recall Santorum going all out to help Specter, now I haven't heard boo out of the great left hope, Arlen Specter. Is he doing anything....at all...outside of feathering his own nest?


17 posted on 10/28/2006 7:45:18 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: JCEccles

SPECIFICALLY WHAT BESIDES HIS MEMBERSHIP DATE?


18 posted on 10/28/2006 7:50:36 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: JCEccles
Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm Irish, so bring it on. The fact is, the Republicans in congress have forgotten what got them in the majority (lower taxes, less spending, less government.)

We're getting out hat handed to us and I think we have to be honest and ask why? Why is the base not energized this year? We are hammering legislative Democrat candidates here in Michigan and we've got good stuff (liberals that voted against posting the pics of convicted child molesters on the sex offender registry...people who voted against making aiding in a terrorist act a mandatory life sentence....good stuff) and it's not making a dent.

I guess you can call that trollbait if you want, but if we don't get back to standing up for something, something that is different that what the other side has to offer, then we had better be ready for a long exile in the frozen tundra of the minority...
19 posted on 10/28/2006 7:51:46 AM PDT by Nowling (blogs at www.lunchbucketconservative.com)
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To: Nowling
Even if I were to agree with you, Michigan, like its economy, is not a leading indicator of anything. And its no wonder that our prospects remain dim when Detroit, the union workers and the rest of the disgruntled hitch their stars to the likes of Stabenow.
20 posted on 10/28/2006 7:54:58 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Obadiah
Once Specter was reelected, Specter had no further use for Santorum.

Santorum backed Specter in his squeaker of a primary win over a true conservative (who likely could not have won in the general election). Specter, in turn, was pressured to move Bush's SCOTUS picks onto the Court.

Now Santorum is being cut loose.

Santorum made a hard decision that very likely helped get Alito and Roberts onto the Supreme Court. But in doing so he outraged some conservatives for not backing Toomey. And he has NEVER had the support of pedophilia, pot & porn libertarians (thank goodness).

That's why the colorless and brainless Dimocrat embarrassment known as Casey may become the next junior senator from Pennsylvania.

21 posted on 10/28/2006 7:55:03 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Nowling

Trundle off, troll.


22 posted on 10/28/2006 7:55:44 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Nowling
The fact is, the Republicans in congress have forgotten what got them in the majority (lower taxes, less spending, less government.)

Right, Michigan voters spoke loud and clear about their value of lower taxes, less spending and less government when they went blue the last 2 presidential elections.

23 posted on 10/28/2006 8:00:11 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I really don't think you can call Nowling a troll. He makes valid points.


24 posted on 10/28/2006 8:01:35 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: JCEccles
Another thougthful post. Do you read what anybody writes?

Let's do this...lets replace everything that is written here with membership dates. It will make it easier for you losers with cat pics to show us your collections.

Date check! Oh...I think YOU are a troll...


25 posted on 10/28/2006 8:02:22 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: Artemis Webb
The only info you can trust is what Rove says about the race. Syncronize your wristwatch with your VCR clock and put a 4x4 square inch of tin foil on the antenna of the nearest blue chevy tahoe blazer to your house and Rove will send you a secret FReepmail with the internals...

/h

Don't believe what you read and EVERY poll that has been released has been oversampled with RATS.

26 posted on 10/28/2006 8:02:42 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: JCEccles
ROTFL!

I posted a sniff...sniff earlier on him but the kitties must have been sleeping.

27 posted on 10/28/2006 8:03:59 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: Artemis Webb

I tried to get tickets to the event he is having tonight in Lancaster and they are all gone. Maybe his base is not as depressed as the press is claiming.


28 posted on 10/28/2006 8:04:47 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Nowling

You make some valid points, but I think that there is another possibility. Maybe the poll data are bogus. Perhaps the MSM are hoping that if they keep telling people that the Republicans will lose, the Republican leaning electorate will just give up and stay home on election day. Or perhaps they want to show democRats ahead so that when Republicans win they can yell voter fraud.

I see them stirring the pot with that latter scenario here in my state of Marylan. The local news media keep carrying stories of possible problems with our electronic voting machines. The give their stories titles or subtitles that ask, "Will your vote be counted?"

P.S., thanks for egnoring the troll accusations.


29 posted on 10/28/2006 8:07:52 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Bigg Red; Nowling

P.S., thanks for egnoring the troll accusations.

**
While you are egnoring them you should also ignore them.


30 posted on 10/28/2006 8:08:54 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: JCEccles
When you suspect a troll, do the following:

1) Check the membership dates.

2) If quite recent, click on the "In Forum" link on the homepage to see their recent posting history.

I've been all set to flame someone into oblivion only to find that they really *were* conservative, but had a been in their bonnet one one particular isolated issue.

Cheers!

31 posted on 10/28/2006 8:17:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Bigg Red
The internal polling I'm seeing isn't much better, especially when undecided independents are going 2-1 for dems. There is time to turn the tide, but it's going to be nasty and expensive.

I look at the media bias as a handicap Republicans must work into every electoral equation. They are never going to cut us a break and we should expect their worse. My MO is that the media will always blame Republicans for what Democrats get away with.
32 posted on 10/28/2006 8:21:22 AM PDT by Nowling (blogs at www.lunchbucketconservative.com)
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To: JCEccles

Yeah. This "freeper" registers here today and is already badmouthing the chances of Republicans. This raises the troll alert antennae.


33 posted on 10/28/2006 8:28:47 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Nowling
The internal polling I'm seeing isn't much better, especially when undecided independents are going 2-1 for dems. There is time to turn the tide, but it's going to be nasty and expensive.

You register here TODAY and somehow you have access to internal polling. Hmmmmm......

34 posted on 10/28/2006 8:30:01 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Nowling
My MO is that the media will always blame Republicans for what Democrats get away with.

Nice try but I'm not buying into your MO.

35 posted on 10/28/2006 8:30:57 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Artemis Webb

it's because Pennsylvania is NOT a conservative state.

The same thing is happening in Ohio, although DeWhiner isn't nearly as conservative as Santorum is.

The mushy-moderates seem to be going towards the Dems. Neither state has a conservative majority.


36 posted on 10/28/2006 8:31:03 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (FEAR THE SWEATERVEST!!!)
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To: PJ-Comix

http://www.lunchbucketconservative.com/


37 posted on 10/28/2006 8:33:29 AM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: Nowling

It is much more simple. PA can't get pass voting for Dem mobsters like Ed Rendell. They love their of sin. I know I grew up in PA.


38 posted on 10/28/2006 8:34:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: kanawa

That blog was started less than two weeks ago. Hmmmm.....


39 posted on 10/28/2006 8:34:37 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: JCEccles

Good analysis. That's what I feared.


40 posted on 10/28/2006 8:36:28 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: PJ-Comix

http://lunchbucketconservative.com/2006/03.aspx


41 posted on 10/28/2006 8:37:45 AM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: PJ-Comix
You register here TODAY and somehow you have access to internal polling. Hmmmmm......

That doesn't even make sense. Does one have to be resisted at FR for some period of time before getting access to internal polling? If so, where is mine?

42 posted on 10/28/2006 8:38:31 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: TankerKC

Internal polling is usually secret and paid for. Karl Rove has his internal polling so you think he is going to make it available to some newbie on the FR? Those internal polls help to make your campaign strategy and kept SECRET.


43 posted on 10/28/2006 8:42:46 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Bigg Red; Nowling
He makes valid points

He thinks the conservative base is not energized. I say horse feces, because had he took the time to review the mid-term threads all of this talk about conservatives staying home is bunk. Conservatives are activated, they may not be fired up and they may hold their nose but they'll vote nontheless

44 posted on 10/28/2006 8:43:01 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And somehow he has access to SECRET internal polling that is paid for by the Republicans. Sorry but I'm just NOT buying it.


45 posted on 10/28/2006 8:44:03 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix
That blog was started less than two weeks ago. Hmmmm.....

The blog was started back in March (at least). Now what? Hmmmm.....

46 posted on 10/28/2006 8:44:11 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Only Freepers have internal polling? Is that what you are saying? Pull it out.


47 posted on 10/28/2006 8:45:24 AM PDT by TankerKC (I Predict that 50% of the Major Party Candidates Will Lose on Election Day!)
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To: TankerKC

StopSexPredators blog was started back in July with a bunch of innocuous postings until it began posting the Foley e-mails in late September. The fact that a blog has been around a few months doesn't mean this is an authentic conservative. When a newbie starts right away posting about a "demoralized" GOP base, that automatically arouses suspicions...especially when such a newbie claims to have access to SECRET internal pollings.


48 posted on 10/28/2006 8:47:32 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: TankerKC

Two weeks ago????? I started it in March....read the posts.


49 posted on 10/28/2006 8:47:49 AM PDT by Nowling (blogs at www.lunchbucketconservative.com)
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To: TankerKC

So this newbie somehow has access to internal polling that is SECRET? How?


50 posted on 10/28/2006 8:48:19 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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