Posted on 11/09/2006 11:55:09 AM PST by NYer
your elipses
Say what? They were yours, not mine. I quoted your entire paragraph in that post and do not see how quoting the last 8 words pulled your comments out context. You were talking about the Network and how the AFA was just finding out about it. I don't see anything out of context at all.
I assume nothing, as you should not either. As I stated last night, AFA has not yet responded to my query as to why it is only WalMart they are attacking when there are dozens of other companies providing the exact same service, many with much higher financial incentives.
But you are assuming what the AFA knows when you say:
yet an organization such as AFA with the financial resources to put out such press releases does not have the resources to find out what I did in less than 10 minutes????
You just said the AFA has not yet responded to you, so you don't know what they know or why they're doing what they're doing. Therefore you are assuming. You're acting as if they AFA is required to dump every byte of information in every article to have credibility. That's ridiculous.
I find inaccurate and misleading press releases to be very significant and a major issue in all of this.
Please point out the inaccurate and misleading text in the press release. Please point out the deceptive means used in the press release. Here is the main body of the press release:
In a show of support to help homosexuals legalize same-sex marriage, Wal-Mart has agreed to automatically donate 5% of online sales directly to the Washington DC Community Center for Gay, Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender People. The cash donation will come from ALL online purchases made at Wal-Mart through the homosexual group's Web site. This move follows Wal-Mart's joining the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and agreeing to give generous financial help to that group.Please copy and paste what you believe to be inaccurate and misleading and tell me why it's inaccurate and misleading. If you had other text from the article in mind, please do the same. As I see it, the only way to see inaccurate and misleading text is to pull it out of context.
Please read my previous comment.
Here it is:
As I have stated on these threads, AFA would do more to promote family values by encouraging those who support them to be less materialistic and more family oriented.As demonstrated with the many links at the AFA website, the AFA is pro-family in many ways, with their alert of the actions by Walmart yet another method of being more family oriented.
Please point out the deceptive/misleading text from the article.
Gay - 1148 Lesbian - 468 Transgender - 40 Bisexual - 38 Gay Marriage - 26
Huh? Walmart is selling gays, lesbians, and marriage certificates?
Most notably here, in the sentence immediately following that which you quoted to me:
With this agreement, Wal-Mart made clear their support for the homosexual movement was a total commitment to the cause.(Emphasis mine.) If you know anything about these online affiliates programs, you have to laugh at that statement. It's beyond ridiculous. It's mindless, shameless hyperbole.
Similarly, landlords and hoteliers would have the right to refuse to rent rooms to sodomites and fornicators, too.
But, we all know how that goes over in 21st-century America.
Yes, they would have that right. And what of it?
There would be plenty who don't care. In fact, there might be more than now, because shoving such things down people's throats makes them really resent all this garbage.
According to the headline, that you have agreed is often the only thing people read, AFA is being misleading:
Wal-Mart Contributes 5% Of Online Sales To Homosexual Group
That is the headline. AFA does not say that only sales from click thrus from that one particular website, they just say ONLINE SALES...........as you saw through this thread, even FReepers, who are supposedly so media savvy took the headline to mean ALL WM online sales kicked back a 5% to the organization.
You apparently have no understanding of media and PR...AFA does and they have hoodwinked many into believing they have limited resources and aren't capable of looking into things in further detail.
Bravo Sierra. AFA has done exactly what it set out to do - get narrow minded bigots to jump on the bandwagon that WalMart is evil and promoting the homosexual agenda.
I happen to be media savvy, having spent darn near 30 years involved with it in one way or another. AFA is good in their media savvy, they have played people like you just like a violin to get you to do what they want. When it comes to PR, they are no different than any other group.
But I would venture to say that this time around they are going to wind up with mud on their faces, as they are the ones promoting these homosexual groups with their constant harping on it. These groups just have to sit back and reap the benefits of the stir created by AFA.
My point in regard to materialism is the fact that AFA is promoting a 2 day boycott of shopping at WalMart Thanksgiving weekend. They are not promotoing the idea of the Christmas season, just the idea of putting your consumption dollars in the pockets of companies they feel are more "family value oriented" than WalMart.
My position is, and has been, that AFA should be promoting family values, not consumerism in their effort to "punish" one company. To me, a better means of promoting the alleged goal of AFA would be a call to boycott all Thanksgiving weekend shopping and instead promote family activities that do not involve consumerism or materialistic ideas.
AFA largely is against legislation. They work to change businesses to protect society by boycotting; they've never suggested even "pass a law" to get their way.
That may be so, but they are not above seeking judicial means of getting their way....and in the case I'm thinking of, they did exactly what I have been saying they are doing with this idiotic attack on WalMart in regard to this one homosexual organization.:::
In 1989 a rap group named 2 Live Crew released a CD called “As Nasty as they Wanna Be.” The CD was not well received and sold very poorly. The CD and the group were on the fast track to obscurity. 2 Live Crew
One day in 1990 a group called AFA in Florida discovered one of the rap songs on the disc and was so outraged by the vulgar lyrics, they persuaded a judge to prosecute store owners who sold the CD with obscenity crimes. The disc, which probably never would have even covered production costs became an instant success and went on to sell 2 million copies. The controversy made the band members rich, famous and introduced the music of 2 Live Crew to American teenagers nationwide who wanted to hear what all the “controversy” was about.
AFA is doing it again.....they are doing more promotion of this homosexual organization than the organization is doing for itself.
That supporters of AFA refuse to see that their PR campaigns do more harm than good to the cause of promoting family values is not my problem.
READ the headline.............that is all I have been stating all along - but you choose to mislead and and be deceptive about what I have said. Are you on the paid PR staff of AFA????
The more you defend them and the misleading PR they engage in the more you are discouraging people to give them any credence.
Other than the BS about AFA's limited resources to determine what other companies "promote" the gay agenda (WalMart does not as far as I can tell) I would have dropped this after my initial comments, but you have continued to push this.
I never really gave a flying flip about AFA, except when they made some stupid nanny-statist pronouncement and I would bring it to the attention of others who dislike nanny-statism. Your insistence on defending their misleading press release has now put AFA into my look-into zone. Every misleading press release they issue will now come under my scrutiny.
Amazingly the paid staff of AFA is unable to come up with the info that an unpaid SAHM is capable of acquiring in less than 10 minutes. You've doomed these people, never again will I ever accept anything they say as truth, as they are apparently incapable of it.
Agreed........but none of that means anything to these faux purists at the AFA. As far as they are concerned even deceitfulness and fallacious claims are the moral high ground as long as they are promoting the alleged moral high ground.
If you know anything about these online affiliates programs, you have to laugh at that statement. It's beyond ridiculous. It's mindless, shameless hyperbole.
I'm in a similar business so I know how it works. But to call the AFA statement ridiculous, mindless, shameless hyperbole is to ignore the facts that Walmart is providing funds to organizations that help erode our culture.
inaccurate and misleading press releasesand not headlines. If you really think headlines always provide the full story then you really are naive, for that is not the purpose of headlines. You have nothing to stand on here.
You apparently have no understanding of media and PR.
There you go again, assuming. You've assumed to know what the AFA knows and their reasons for the press release, all without getting a single byte of information directly from the AFA. And now you assume to know what I know. Because we disagree you assume this successful self-employed person with whom you disagree has no understanding of the issues. I'm still in the business, Gabz, you aren't.
Bravo Sierra. AFA has done exactly what it set out to do - get narrow minded bigots to jump on the bandwagon that WalMart is evil and promoting the homosexual agenda.
So now people who agree with the family friendly AFA are bigots. Interesting choice of words, Christian.
I happen to be media savvy, having spent darn near 30 years involved with it in one way or another. AFA is good in their media savvy, they have played people like you just like a violin to get you to do what they want. When it comes to PR, they are no different than any other group.
Talk about getting played. You've apparently fallen for the homosexual agenda.
But I would venture to say that this time around they are going to wind up with mud on their faces, as they are the ones promoting these homosexual groups with their constant harping on it. These groups just have to sit back and reap the benefits of the stir created by AFA.
It's something called engagement. Perhaps you've heard this before, but the healthy don't need a doctor, the sick do. People who care get involved. We get engaged with issues that affect our culture.
You act as if you were born yesterday without a clue about headlines.
As I just demonstrated, that is not what you have been stating all along. You are being inconsistent. Are you on Walmarts paid PR staff?
The AFA apparently thinks it's better to support companies that do not provide funds to organizations that erode our culture.
I don't think Wal Mart especially cares what the service group or charity is advocating, as long as they get the links.
I know of a lot of other businesses that provide a percentage of sales from links on web sites. This kind of scare tactic by AFA is the kind that will backfire. Wal Mart simply is allowing this group to link to it's online sales and giving them a commission. I suspect that a lot of Catholic Charities are getting the same deal.
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