ISLAM:What the West Needs to Know

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[Publius6961]

Look!

A Christian bully, member of the Committee for the Suppression of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue beating on a woman half his size!

< /sarc >

[george76]

[george76]

Almost from the very beginning of Islam, there were wars upon wars between Christians and Moslems. We remember the Crusade wars, seven major and several minor, which lasted for centuries.

This is the story of the Battle of Lepanto, which marked the end of the Crusades and was a turning point in the history of Christianity.

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Charles Martel's victory at Poitiers definitely stopped the Moslem invasion of western Europe.

In the east Christians held firm against attacks of the Moslems until 1453. In that year, Mohammed II threw huge assaults against Constantinople and by the evening of May 29 the Byzantine capital fell.

By 1571 the Moslems were firmly installed in Europe. Their ships ruled the Mediterranean Sea from the Strait of Bosporus to the Strait of Gibraltar and constantly preyed on Christian vessels unless they flew the French flag.

http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/lepanto.htm

[Publius6961]

Look!

A Christian bully in a dress, member of the Committee for the Suppression of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue shooting a woman half his size, probably for immoral conduct other than murder!
< /sarc >

[zimdog]

Charles Manson. Eric Rudolph. Baruch Goldstein. The Spanish Inquisition.

And yes, English is my first language. If george76 wants to make his thoughts clear to the recipients of his posts, he should use words that clearly convey his thoughts and not off-topic political cartoons.

[george76]

LOL

" A Christian bully in a dress, member of the Committee for the Suppression of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue shooting a woman half his size, probably for immoral conduct other than murder!

< /sarc > "

[SauronOfMordor]

For some quotes directly from the Islamic Qu'ran and Hadith, visit my FR homepage

[zimdog]

The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him.

Seeing as Mohammed Atta was supposedly attending some college in Egypt at this time, what evidence do you have that he was in an Israeli jail?

[george76]

Nice FR homepage

[Publius6961]

And yes, English is my first language.
You could have fooled me.
If george76 wants to make his thoughts clear to the recipients of his posts, he should use words that clearly convey his thoughts and not off-topic political cartoons.
It was clear enough for me to be unequivocal, and that cartoon could not be more on target; It is exactly what the west needs to know about the muslim mass murderers.

Charles Manson. Eric Rudolph. Baruch Goldstein. The Spanish Inquisition.

If all these guys were Christian, I was unaware of the fact until some raghead dug deep enough and long enough to make it seem relevant.
When the maggots murder, we know that he is muslim before the sound of the explosion is gone --- from his own lips.
If that isn't clear enough for you...

[zimdog]

You could have fooled me.

I could have fooled you, but apparently someone beat me to it.

[Silly]

Reminds me of a Kliban cartoon of a woman being dragged off by a man.

Another woman watches and asks, "Why do you hang around with that sadist?"

She replies, "Beats me!"

[SauronOfMordor]

Bad Muslims will tell you that.

The Hadith will tell you that: Entrance into Heaven:

From Understanding Islam, page 2: "no one however devout and pious, can be sure of winning God's favor."

There is one, and exactly one, exception: Hadith Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty."

Note the bolded part above in hadith 352. The one and only guaranteed way into Muslim paradise is to be killed while fighting in Jihad.

On the Islamic "Last Days":

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

[SauronOfMordor]

Could assassins pray, like St Augustine did, for the Lord's enlightenment and humility after they're done being bad? (Not that St. Augustine was a murderer, but you get the picture.)

FormerLib phrased it badly: A Muslim who kills infidels in service of Islam is guaranteed entrance into Paradise. There is nothing for the Muslim to repent, in that under Islam he did a positive thing.

[zimdog]

It was clear enough for me to be unequivocal, and that cartoon could not be more on target.

Perhaps, but what Muslim mass murderers are doing is only tangential to a discussion of Sirhan Sirhan, a Christian assassin.

If all these guys were Christian, I was unaware of the fact until some raghead dug deep enough and long enough to make it seem relevant.

If you think that Charles Manson and Baruch Goldstein were Christians, that reflects poorly on your command of the history of religious terrorism. If you think that Eric Rudolph and the the Tomás de Torquemada were not Christians, you're digging youself even deeper.

When the maggots murder, we know that he is muslim before the sound of the explosion is gone --- from his own lips.

See the above cases.

[zimdog]

Ha.

[zimdog]

A Muslim who kills infidels in service of Islam is guaranteed entrance into Paradise. There is nothing for the Muslim to repent, in that under Islam he did a positive thing.

According to some interpretations, yours among them.

And if Stalin "accepted Christ into his heart" on the deathbed, there is no need to repent, accepting Grace trumps orchestrating the deaths of tens of millions and he will be in Paradise with the other 143,999.

According to some interpretations...

[word_warrior_bob]

Seems they're doing a pretty good job.

Why can't Republicans have such an organized plan and follow through with it?

[SauronOfMordor]

According to some interpretations, yours among them.

What interpretation? I'm quoting directly from Hadith. Do you reject the validity of Hadith?

Here's some more:

From my copy of the Koran:
 

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low
            Surah IX:29

O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
        Surah V:57

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
        Surah IX:5

And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
        Surah II:191
 

On "collateral damage" (killing noncombatants)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:

Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:

The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima [sanctuary; inviolate zone] is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."

[ translation: the women and children of infidels are acceptable "collateral damage". A Muslim has no need to avoid killing them while attacking infidels (as the Palestinian suicide bombers demonstrate repeatedly) ]

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

On Treatment of Those Who Try to Leave Islam

Treatment of a Jew who converted to Islam and left Islam to go back to Judaism Hadith Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

Narrated Abu Burda:

Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

Mohammod on Prostitution:

Hadith Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:

Narrated Abdullah:

We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

On Punishment for Killing non-Muslims

Hadith Volume 1, Book 3, Number 111:

Narrated Ash-Sha'bi:

Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, 'Have you got any book (which has been revealed to the Prophet apart from the Qur'an)?' 'Ali replied, 'No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding which has been bestowed (by Allah) upon a Muslim or what is (written) in this sheet of paper (with me).' Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked, 'What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (blood money) paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom for the releasing of the captives from the hands of the enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disbeliever).

On Mohammod's Having Sex With a Nine Year Old Girl

He marries his six year old niece Aisha and has sex with her when she turns nine Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65: Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:

Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

On Islamic Paradise

From the Qu'ran, Chapter 52, "The Mounting"

Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight,
Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire.
(And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do,
They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
... Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.

[I'm guessing that all needs and desires will be satisfied, one way or another]

[zimdog]

I reject the validity of your interpretation.