I've always wondered what it's like to be a quitter. Do you think you could shed some first-hand light on that subject.
Are you a quitter when you lose this?
Losing isn't the same as quitting.
Posted on 11/22/2006 10:05:56 PM PST by B-Chan
The enemy will not allow us to extricate ourselves from this war and go home to breast-beating and self-recriminations. This is a very long war because we have not had the vision and the will to make it a short war. Perceived defeat, and we are already at that stage, will, I believe, bring us a Democrat in the White House in 08 and a continued Democrat Senate and House. Homeland Security, that bugaboo of the Democrats will not be cut back. It will be turned against Christians and other Conservatives. Our will be most definitely off the ball and we will be hit hard, maybe with a nuke. The Democrat will sis the Justice Department on the perps and we will get hit again a different way. It will probably take at least three disasters on the order of 9-11 or much worse before we react as if we are at war. Then it will be an explosion of Lberal rage at having been betrayed by the Liberals' Allies and proteges.I think we will lay waste many Saracen centers, some of which will be simply a waste, but it will be done.
The enemy will not allow us to extricate ourselves from this war and go home to breast-beating and self-recriminations. This is a very long war because we have not had the vision and the will to make it a short war. Perceived defeat, and we are already at that stage, will, I believe, bring us a Democrat in the White House in 08 and a continued Democrat Senate and House. Homeland Security, that bugaboo of the Democrats will not be cut back. It will be turned against Christians and other Conservatives. Our will be most definitely off the ball and we will be hit hard, maybe with a nuke. The Democrat will sis the Justice Department on the perps and we will get hit again a different way. It will probably take at least three disasters on the order of 9-11 or much worse before we react as if we are at war. Then it will be an explosion of Lberal rage at having been betrayed by the Liberals' Allies and proteges.I think we will lay waste many Saracen centers, some of which will be simply a waste, but it will be done.
That how I view it, too. For whatever it's worth.
"You would think that a "statesman" who was a failure would disappear for ever. But in a parliamentary state he merely goes back to the end of the line and waits for another turn. And when he reaches the front of the line, he is back in power. Even the ancient republics with their rigid conception of the state were ruled by a dictator in times of national emergency. When the lives of nations are at risk, national and provincial parliaments are useless; only giants can save the nation."--- Adolf Hitler May 4, 1923
I am in no way advocating or showing support for Adolf Hitler. I only post these words to show that those who refuse to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
"Trouble with "one head at a time" is you get caught before you're finished"
I thought the problem was storage space. I mean it takes a lot of room to store all those heads! Then there are the boiling pots to shrink them and other preparation that I don't have time to go into.
Which is why I say "Take off the gloves!"
Fair enough.
If we take off the gloves, we will face another war -- in the streets of Hometown USA. The media masters will whip the people into a frenzy of righteous anger. The entertainment industry will lead the attack with pop protest songs, anti-war movies, and TV episodes with storylines "ripped from the headlines". Buildings will burn. Celebrities will sit in, love in, be in, and get arrested, with the cameras of the news media (by now in full Cronkite mode) on hand to record their every solemn pronouncement and outburst of rage.
No president wants to relive the latter years of LBJ's presidency. That's why the gloves are on, and will remain on.
Because it's wrong.
I don't get my information from any news sources, BTW.
*still shaking my head at this post*
It's threads like these that frustrate the %$*#(^"(&@ out of me. I am feeling your pain.
Happy Thanksgiving, Allegra!
Bravo! You put my thoughts into words better than I ever could have.
Queen Hillary '08!
I've always wondered what it's like to be a quitter. Do you think you could shed some first-hand light on that subject.
Are you a quitter when you lose this?
Losing isn't the same as quitting.
Perle should have known this is how it would end from the start. I'm not going to read that link, but did he admit that he's a dumbass and that he's sorry for being a dumbass?
We actually won the war. Saddam is out of power and about to be hanged. Mission Accomplished.
Are we going to win a civil war in Iraq where we can't decide which side to support because both sets are a bunch of Islamist retards? No. We shouldn't even try.
The insurgency knows the neighborhood and we don't. They know the civilians and we don't. They find acceptance and support among civilians and we don't. They fight with weapons that are extraordinarily cheap and highly effective for the goal they seek to achieve and we don't. They can wait us out and we can't do the same because we are the invaders and don't live there.
Gen. James T. Conway held a roundtable discussion with the Pentagon press corps. Training Iraqi security forces “is a long, slow process,” Conway said. “Unfortunately, I think the timeline it would take to build a fully capable, competent force – and for us to feel comfortable in stepping away – is longer than the timeline than we feel now our country will support.”
Conway said the government must ask more patience from the American people, “so when we do pull out of Iraq, we can do so and say it is successful and call it a win.”
Counterinsurgency campaigns are long processes, he said. Historically, successful counterinsurgency efforts take nine to 12 years. Developing the military is only one part of that, Conway noted, pointing out that the Iraqi government must assert political control over the nation, too.
“This doesn’t happen overnight,” he said. “Your progress is incremental. You’ll have setbacks, but you keep your shoulder to the wheel and you keep pushing. That’s the attitude of the Marines out there. They are encouraged by the micro-successes they see, the relationships they build and the people they see step forward who want to fight for their own country.”
Conway said he regards the battles in Afghanistan and Iraq as the first battles of the war on terror. He said it is important to win these battles. He related a clash in Azziziyah, southeast of Baghdad, in April 2003. Conway commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force during the initial push to Baghdad. He said a Marine unit ran up against a group of 300 enemy fighters who fought fanatically against the tanks of the 1st Marine Division. “The last squad of these guys died charging a couple of tanks (armed with) .50-caliber machine guns,” he said. “They were absolute fanatics. For a unit that size to die at the base of those tanks was incredible.”
The battle in Iraq isn't close to being over and yet you and B-Chan want us to leave. That's called quitting.
That is not an attractive landscape in which to wage war if one of the most important components of that campaign is to demonstrate to the rest of the world you are invincible, but of course from your comments one can infer that you already agree with that.
The insurgency is a civil war. How long do counter-civil-war efforts take?
Conway said he regards the battles in Afghanistan and Iraq as the first battles of the war on terror. He said it is important to win these battles. He related a clash in Azziziyah, southeast of Baghdad, in April 2003. Conway commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force during the initial push to Baghdad. He said a Marine unit ran up against a group of 300 enemy fighters who fought fanatically against the tanks of the 1st Marine Division. “The last squad of these guys died charging a couple of tanks (armed with) .50-caliber machine guns,” he said. “They were absolute fanatics. For a unit that size to die at the base of those tanks was incredible.”
The military activity in April 2003 has no relationship to the activity going on today or the military objectives. We were moving into Baghdad to topple Saddam. That's not what is going on now. We won that war. Saddam is a man headed to his hanging. Are we going to send tanks into these neighborhoods and just blow up every house we see?
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