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Posted on 12/06/2006 1:44:01 PM PST by FARS
SERIOUS CHATTER INDICATES SOME HEAVY DUTY EVENTS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE IN OR RELATIVE TO IRAN.
Far bigger activity than Human Rights student demonstrations scheduled for Iran today. More when I get clearer details but it appears some serious political activity or plan has come into play.
As a side bar, note Iran has virtually stopped accepting Dollars for oil payments being made to it. This unlinking of the dollar from oil can create a worldwide disaster as the Dollar loses its underpinning - oil.
NOTE: the Dollar has already lost strength against other currencies in the past couple of weeks.
Central Banks would begin to lighten their Dollar holdings to minimize their losses as the value of the dollar declines, putting ever more pressure on the Dollar.
Even creating a run on it, similar to a run on a bank which becomes insolvent and depositors rushing to withdraw their money. Destabilizing the bank even further.
The downward spiral of the Dollar will soon drag down other currencies. One of the reasons we went into Iraq was to prevent this slippery slope. Russia, Saddam Hussein and a couple of other countries like Nigeria had put selling their oil mostly in Euros on the table.
Had OPEC been allowed to follow suit, the whole world, not just the USA would have suffered inconceivable economical dislocation.
Go to "Oil Story Revisited" via the Archive Details link in the left hand column. Far more dangerous than nuclear weapons, if the dollar crashes - and under some circumstances it will be hard, or impossible, to prevent this. The world economy crashes with it.
Because there was some vestige of sanity in the old Iranian Mullah leadership, till about a year ago, when Ahmadi-Nejad was "selected" President, mostly to protect their own enormous wealth, the Mullahs were careful not to destabilize the value of the Dollar.
Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who was a destitute cleric at the time of the 1979 Khomeini revolution, fairly recently moved some two BILLION Dollars of personal assets from various holdings around the world into a couple of Moslem Asian countries like Malaysia, Brunei and also Singapore.
(Ahmadi-Nejad - on behalf of Iran, emptied Swiss bank vaults of gold bullion owned by Iran at around the same time).
Khamenei used to live in a two room dwelling in the poorest part of town feeding himself and his family through sporadic, tiny, charitable donations in the city of Mash'had in North-East Iran.
His only income came from joining (unsolicited) a multiple of other insignificant clerics at burials, following the casket or shroud to the grave and singing "dirges" hoping to receive a tip from the family and mourners.
Were it not "religious" we would rightly term it begging.
By contrast, Ahmadi-Nejad, also coming from an impoverished family has lived frugally all his life, owns little or nothing and cannot imagine not being able to supply himself with the unleavened bread and Fetta cheese, tea and daily stew on which he lives. World crash or no world crash.
Interestingly, when "ayatollah" Khamenei was an indigent cleric, he was asked his philosophy about how he might operate were he to wake up and find himself the most powerful man in Iran. The allegory used was "find himself in the shoes of the Shah".
After protests he could not imagine himself in such a high position, he stated he would take the wealth of the nation and distribute it all among the populace, specially the poor, so nobody would have to face the misery and poverty he was enduring.
Look at the misery, torture, imprisonment and poverty he has inflicted since then on his erstwhile (beloved??) fellow citizens.
He showed the same mentality and ignorance of fiscal and economical requirements that Khomeini did when he arrived on scene in 1979. Both these ignorant clerics could recite the Koran but in all other subjects knew next to nothing - and I am not exaggerating. They resemble students who go to school forever but only study one subject - philosophy - to the exclusion of everything else.
Shortly after his return, Khomeini responded to a question about Iran's forthcoming budget, with "I have it on a piece of paper in my pocket!" Referring to what required several thick volumes (just as indexes) and suitcases in which to carry them to the Majliss (parliament) for ratification.
By the way, the self-righteous Ahmadi-Nejad, apparently is not as righteous as he pretends, reportedly passing sizeable contracts to his brother while mayor of Tehran and according to some sources lining his own pockets.
And the pockets of the representative of the Hojatieh spiritual leader, Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, attached his personal office/secretariat and "keeper of the gate" without whose approval nobody gets to see Ahmadi-Nejad.
Not even his own staff or Cabinet Ministers.
Putting all this into perspective, Ahmadi-Nejad has suddenly ratcheted up his threats to cover the whole Western civilization, not just Israel, disappearing from the face of the earth. He only has a half dozen nukes, so he is certainly referring to his oil/currency disruptive capability.
A far deadlier weapon than the subject of nuclear weapons, which has kept focus off the radar screen of the news media, tactical and strategic analysts, intel assessments and those in power.
Hopefully, the new Democrat Congress will get over their myopic Bush bashing and rise to the occasion and literally help save the world.
If they wish to be around long enough to enjoy their win. Not politically but in real life as millions of Americans lose jobs, incomes etc., which even the US government cannot help overcome with Welfare or soup kitchens.
This applies in Spades to the European Union that still has its head stuck deep in the sand, pretending it cannot happen, when it certainly will. Unless stopped just as drastically as the drastic consequences of not doing so.
Hitler will have been a walk in the park compared to what we are about to receive.
I ask this question of all readers: better destroy 400,000 Revolutionary Guards and all of their equipment (simply burying the entrances to nuclear facilities will suffice for now on that aspect), perhaps inflict somewhere in the region of 40,000 civilian deaths as collateral damage and thus open the way for a suddenly freed populace to rise up and destroy the Mullahs - or play nice and civilized (they do not) and suffer tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of casualties around the globe, in death and suffering when the global economy crashes?
Inconceivable? Not if you follow the dotted lines and know your global economy and how fragile it really is. There is not enough money in the world to buy up suddenly available dollars to bolster the currency, even if every Central Bank decided to do that instead of divesting itself out of self-preservation.
Think carefully about being goody-goody two shoes in this clash of cultures led by an Islamic nutcase.
Well, we're ready, and we're able. The only question left is: "Are we willing?"
Now, count the number of mosques in your neighbourhoods, note their locations, then stay well armed and safe......................FRegards
Iran's a threat - I don't know why people don't see it...
"FARS there is no way the Iranians are going to crash the US economy. If they do, they crash the world economy and theirs right along with it."
"Could also be that the sick banking system of China is about to have a major hiccup".
Iran has only just started to insist on Euros or barter instead of the dollar. Unless exacerbated by a run on the dollar and a crash of our currency, it will take a bit of time for the effect to take hold.
In the meantime, we could see an ever downward value trend with some small temporary recoveries as the world tries to resist the plunge. But as I said, in the long run there is not enough money in the world to bolster the Dollar should a run on it occur. Or stop the run.
"And does Alan Peters have a source of his own for his assertion that Iran already has half a dozen nukes?"
Thanks for the ping!
"One of the reasons we went into Iraq was to prevent this slippery slope. "huh ?"
I still cannot get a handle on exactly what is happening or supposed to happen. Got some vague calls last night. Trying to verify from other sources but nothing clear coming up - other than - as you say - forthcoming elections. Although I got the sense that what is about to happen is anti-mullah in general and not particularly about who is there.
"Similarly, they will ask the next Dem president: are you willing to send the US into depression during your administration? We didn't think so."
Yes! They would rather see millions - tens of millions - of Moslems dying of hunger and bringing them closer to their spirtual goal of creating enough death and destruction for their 12th Imam to have reason to return and redeem the world. That is what the Hojatieh is all about and so inconceivable to you and almost everyone else in the world.
They do not believe in countries, they believe in an Islamic caliphate that rules the whole world under Islamic Sharia law as it was 1,300 years ago, the word of Allah as written in the Koran and as spoken by the Prophet Mohammad.
NOTHING else counts or has value.
Now do you get it?
"Yahoo! Goods manufactured in the US will become more marketable."
It's not oil, it's currency. sleep well.
You speak of fluctuations - you should perhaps speak of crashes of demolition derbies as economies crash into each other outside the USA they destroy ours in the process. The Chinese are the biggest holders of our outstanding debt and we would not be able to service our debt, not even pay the interest on it, so our own economy would crash.
When there is nobody to whom to export our goods, nor because they ceased to manufacture for lack of cashflow, anyone to sell us goods we need, what do you think happens? To our economy?
You describe a chicken or the egg situation but it is more likely, since the value of the dollar is artificially kept high by being the sole currency with which to buy oil, that if it is unlinked from oil, the crash will arise insidethe USA and our crash will bring down everyone else. With China clearly at the forefront.
Nope. Still in beautiful, downtown Baghdad. ;-)
No....nothing seems out of the ordinary here.
Not that this place is exactly ordinary.
Thanks for the post.
It is not that they are insane. It is that they have a different set of core assumptions. We would view the chaos of collapsing world economies as a bad thing, they view it as a good thing.
They are going about their plan in logical order. They want the Mahdi.
I meant in your dream.
Where do I find the secret moose bane?
Baloney! You are overstating and misrepresenting the point of the article. A worldwide currency collapse is not what the article states is the cause for the dollar's fall. The dollar falling, according to the article (a point I am neither endorsing nor denying), has to do with a switch to another currency in preference on oil markets. So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?
DUH! It's secret!
I've been telling folks to enjoy their Christmas now, because we may be in 2 or three wars by next year.
The next year promises to be very interesting...!
They would be willing to create a global bloodbath to achieve their aims. They might not be willing to provoke a bloodbath that would result in the eradication of Islam with the US left standing at the end. I'm assuming at least some rationality in the sense of them wanting to achieve their objective, rather than victory-less suicide
"So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?"
You comments provide hope where I find little or none. From your lips to God's ears.
1) "They would be willing to create a global bloodbath to achieve their aims. They might not be willing to provoke a bloodbath that would result in the eradication of Islam with the US left standing at the end."
2) "I'm assuming at least some rationality in the sense of them wanting to achieve their objective, rather than victory-less suicide"
So you are saying their is an upside to Democrat rule...
Valiant response but too many flaws. Some responses to your assumptions:
Once again it is NOT oil but currency that can/will sink us. This shift will crash the dollar and in very short time crash every other currency in the world. So who will buy our goods - as you state?
Every Arab country, on the Peninsula or not, even with the best intentions, cannot oppose a nuclear Iran. The risk of being attacked, even with conventional weapons by an almost one million man military and paramilitary force available to Iran with enough fairly decent equipment and armor, gives all the Persian Gulf countries pause, let alone if they suddenly have a nuclear aggressor.
Yes, the Asian countries, generally Moslem or with huge Moslem sectors in their populations will definitely back Iran's position - not the USA - specially if we back down in Iraq and the region as per the Baker proposals.
You are confusing a dollar "fluctuation" with a total and irreversible dollar crash. A probable drop in the region of 40% (according to far more knowledgeable economists than I could ever be) in a matter of weeks or at best months. That size of "fluctuation" is like a nose dive of an aircraft from which it cannot pull out.
Again, you miss the point. This has nothing to do with Iran's participation in our economy, nor even within the world at large. It is what the little fish can do to the dollar - and it only takes a little fish to ruin it - which will do the damage as described.
You mention "We continue exporting huge amounts of raw materials and finished goods world wide, as well as using things we grow, build and design, manufacture internally."
Some of the "Internal" part will help one third of our nation survive. Forget the export part. NO other country will have money to buy our exports or import anything from anywhere - not too long after a dollar crash. And the consequent crash of their own money.
It does not take all or many other countries for this to occur. Do read the "Oil Story Revisited" on http://www.antimullah.com by going there and clicking on the Archive Details link in the left hand column to find the Permalink. More details are given there, so I do not wish to reinvent the wheel.
And no, this has NEVER happened before, so that's a false element in your view of things and Iran does not have to be anything more than the little fish it is - as you describe it - wreak the havoc described.
Somewhat like the tiny, transparent box jellyfish, less than a half inch across, found in Australia, whose tiny tentacle venom can kill a human quite easily. Or cause excrutiating pain for quite a long period of time if it fails to terminate you.
That's Iran's role in this scenario. It's all it takes.
I'll read the link you suggested at antimullah.com.
ROTFLMAO! As we say in the South "Bless your heart."
I so hope you are right and I am orbiting in space. :-))
I fear it may be the other way round and that is far from fun.
Much wiser minds than mine tend to worry alongside with me.
The hunt, weave etc., was for mental/visual effect - not quite so literally but if these events unfold and the dollar crashes, in a few years afterward, that's what we shall be moving toward. For real.
Project your mind and visualize. You'll see it.
Oh, please. For as long as the world has been in existence, there have been worry warts (sp?) who could not seem to go a day without predicting some sort of inevitable doom. Of course, if you are consistent and predict gloom and doom constantly, then eventually you may be partially right.
When I hear all this, it sounds so familiar to the same crud I have heard all my life. First thing I remember was the fear of a nuclear war with Russia. Then it moved into deficits and debt.Then terrorism. Now it is currency. It is always going to be something. And eventually, sure, something at some time will cause some economic catastrophe.
You say there are experts much smarter than you that agree with you. But I contend that there are plenty of experts much smarter than you that disagree, No one can predict the future. Anyone who tells you different is selling something.
Are you telling me that the Soviets were not a threat? Their nukes were not poised at us? Ever?
These threats failed to happen because some people changed the path sufficiently to dodge the bullet. Like Reagan and the Soviets. (The Soviets were logical compared to today's Islamic Iran, so don't equate the threats).
The Soviets falsely appear to have had greater destructive power because of their huge nuclear capability. The currency threat was not even on the horizon until the suicidal Islamic groups, in the form of suicidal countries like Islamic Iran, instead of individual suicide bombers, came into power. Hamas and Hezbollah verge on this "me too, martyrdom" scene too.
Had Carter won a second term, the deficits you mention with disdain would have happened the way the "gloomers" stated. Luckily someone else won. Happened to be Reagan, who also deflected the nukes events from the Soviets.
You and I have had the good fortune, sporadically, to have had some people in power who took action against these "doom and gloom scenarios" and made them go away or alleviated them.
Kennedy and Cuban missiles for instance. Or was that, too, just crying wolf? It wasn't and would have had dire consequences.
This does not mean the doom and gloom, like the warning I am shouting out as loudly as I can, is invalid. It needs action to remove it.
What's horrific now is that we have the most insane finger on the "destroy the world" button since Hitler, facing not Reagan but the most absolutely anti-American, appeasist group of Dems ever, like Pelosi, Leahy etc., who will self-destruct the USA to get Bush.
Like burning down your barn to get the rats. (Pun in there somewhere?)
You, like so many of us, have lived through good and bad times, where the bad has been "softened" to where it has been bearable. Only just in the 1930's. So you argue optimistically, based on good luck and some power plays by men like Bush - like going into Iraq and preventing oil disconnecting from the dollar to some other form of payment. Doesn't matter what that is as long as it is no longer the Dollar.
For the first time in my fairly long life, given the prevailing factors, I no longer believe we can achieve this with the givens we face.
Which we have NEVER had to face before. And around which we totally fail to wrap our minds.
Your optimism is laudable and a brave positive aspect of America but there is a time and place where whistling in the dark no longer suffices and we are not walking past a cemetary but past a bunch of lunatic murderers ready, willing and sadly now able to pounce and slit our throats.
Right now the only viable option, horrible as it may appear to be, is to do whatis outlined in "Iran, Final Justified Solution" on http://www.antimullah.com (check View Archive Details for exact link).
But first we have to realize the extent of what we face - with only Hitler as a "prior" and long forgotten indicator and dig deep to find the reolve to do what needs to be done.
The world is currently in a similar state to a patient with fairly advanced cancer, which the doctors either failed to spot or have avoided badly needed surgery. Now they can have second, third and thousandth opinions to avoid doing what MUST be done.
The result? Eventually send the patient home to die as the cancer will no longer be operable or thepatient dies due to their indecision and neglect.
You and I and every other American - and millions of other nationals around the world - are the patient.
However, I do not agree with you that current monetary trends portend a terrible fate for our civilization.
In that nutshell capsule I have no argument with you. You and I have can have differing subjective viewpoints. A rose by any name. You focus on the petals I warn of the thorns.
Have a great Sunday.
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