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Army Commander Let His Own Men Face the Death Penalty To Hide His Own Reprimand
Euphoric Reality ^ | 01/21/07 | Kit Jarrell

Posted on 01/21/2007 9:42:14 AM PST by euphoriadev

Explosive new info in the Iron Triangle Case in the NYT this morning showing that not only did the Army already handle the four Iraqi deaths that the Rangers are charged with, they reprimanded the commander for them and ended his career. The commander, Col. Michael Steele, knowing he had already been punished for the incident, still allowed his men to be charged with murder and imprisoned.

No charges have been filed against Colonel Steele in the Army’s continuing investigation. But two Defense Department officials said last week that Colonel Steele was formally reprimanded in the summer by Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the former commander in Iraq, for not reporting the deaths and other details of the raid. The action was not made public.

The Army had already reprimanded the commander for acting on bad intel about the region being a terrorist training camp. They were well aware that the Rangers had done exactly what they were told: Go into a hostile area and take out the bad guys. The problem was, Steele was wrong, and the area was not a terrorist training camp.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: airborne; iraq; irontriangle; steele
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This blows the entire Iron Triangle case wide open, and makes me even sicker to know that SPC William Hunsaker is serving 18 years for this piece of dogcrap posing as a leader of men. My 9-year-old son has more integrity and sense of responsibility than this Col. Steele.
1 posted on 01/21/2007 9:42:16 AM PST by euphoriadev
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To: RedRover; freema; fishergirl; norton; Marine_Uncle

Ping to you guys, since you have all the lists...this info is HUGE for the Army Rangers in the brig.


2 posted on 01/21/2007 9:43:28 AM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: RedRover

>>Steele told his men to “kill all military-age males,” and had the Rangers complied to the letter, there would be a lot more dead than there were.<<

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>>Only excess caution by Colonel Steele’s troops spared the Iraqi civilians from being shot, General Maffey wrote in his report. […]<<

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>>Steele is a maggot, a pathetic excuse for a man who is so concerned with his own career and his own image that he was pleading the fifth, retaining O.J Simpson attorneys, and negotiating for immunity while his own men, one of whom he had worked very closely with, were facing the death penalty for his screwup. Meanwhile, the Army, knowing the state of affairs, helped him do it.<<


3 posted on 01/21/2007 9:51:59 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: B4Ranch; the mo; Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; fishergirl; TNdandelion; slipper; Eagles6; jazusamo; ...
Ping!

Related story to the Haditha Marine travesty, this one about young Rangers hung out to dry.

4 posted on 01/21/2007 10:05:40 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Rangers.)
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To: euphoriadev
C2CO
Can't Cunt Commanding Officer.
Lead from the rear!

Richard Marcinko
5 posted on 01/21/2007 10:06:30 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: RedRover

Thats enough to make you vomit.


6 posted on 01/21/2007 10:08:26 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver; All
Speaking of hurling, see also this recent thread: NCIS Exposed:Criminals, Thugs, and Liars Bringing Down Marines
7 posted on 01/21/2007 10:13:56 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Rangers.)
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To: driftdiver; RedRover; freema

Makes you wonder...bad intel, said it was a terrorist training camp? Where'd he get the info? Did he get taken in by Iraqis looking to set up U.S. troops for a "massacre?"

SSG Girouard went into the first house and found a group of kids in there by themselves. He told them in Arabic to stay in the house and started yelling over the radio, "What the hell is going on here? What the hell? Why are there kids in here?"

If it weren't for the consummate professionalism of Girouard and his team, they'd have had a lot more people dead. Freaking amazing.


8 posted on 01/21/2007 10:17:10 AM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: euphoriadev; RedRover

Thanks for posting, words fail me.


9 posted on 01/21/2007 10:22:36 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: euphoriadev
"Did he get taken in by Iraqis looking to set up U.S. troops for a "massacre?" "

Seems obvious that he did. By itself thats not such a bad thing other then it jeopardizes lives and the political impact of the US killing a bunch of children. For certain posters on FR it must be an eye opener that the terrorists will sacrifice their children for the cause.

Whats worse is that he sacrificed his troops for his own career and ego.
10 posted on 01/21/2007 10:23:32 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: RedRover

"Sh*t" can roll uphill too.


11 posted on 01/21/2007 10:34:04 AM PST by lilycicero (I believe SSGT Wuterich did his job well.)
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To: jazusamo

Me too...


12 posted on 01/21/2007 10:52:17 AM PST by pinkpanther111 (They were doing their jobs!!! Defend our Marines)
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody; jazusamo; freema
Ok guys and gals, I'm getting a little concerned that we are going off half cocked with thinking that "The New York Times" has all the facts straight and is reporting it squarely.

Are we letting the hammer go too quick, just because we have some bad on the NCIS?

I'm concerned.

13 posted on 01/21/2007 11:06:11 AM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE CONTINUE ON TO VICTORY!)
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To: W04Man

The NCIS didn't do this investigation. The CID did.

And I've just spoken with the family, who says the attorney has confirmed the details of this.

It IS really this bad.


14 posted on 01/21/2007 11:30:49 AM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: lilycicero

I keep checking to see if that post got you another buttock-whomping threat. So far, so good. Just wanted you to know I'm here. ;


15 posted on 01/21/2007 12:18:04 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Rangers.)
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To: euphoriadev; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

unreal.

Talk about the Green Weenie!


16 posted on 01/21/2007 12:25:19 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: euphoriadev

Steele is a maggot, but this is the kind of stuff that happens when you put JAG and a bunch of scumbag Democrat lawyers in charge of a war. The stench goes right to the top. Meanwhile, I hope the troops are continuing to brush up on their "thirteen rules of engagement". They don't want to end up in jail.


17 posted on 01/21/2007 12:32:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: euphoriadev

I feel like I just stepped in an alternate reality... This makes me feel like puking.


18 posted on 01/21/2007 12:33:58 PM PST by Chickenhawk Warmonger (Enforce the Logan Act!)
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To: euphoriadev; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...

hmmmmm... things could be changing for some folks.


19 posted on 01/21/2007 12:35:24 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Lancey Howard
>>>>but this is the kind of stuff that happens when you put JAG and a bunch of scumbag Democrat lawyers in charge of a war.

huh, is THAT why these democratic lawyers have funny looking art behind them?


(well, at least this one is in jail...but I see a pattern)

20 posted on 01/21/2007 12:39:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: euphoriadev; W04Man
Seems to me that these cases reveal a common problems with the way we're policing the military. The various investigative agencies seem to be stuck in a pre-WOT mindset, unable to grasp the chaotic nature of the fighting in Iraq in particular.

You've been looking at this longer, and more deeply, than I have, euphoria. What do you think is going on?

21 posted on 01/21/2007 12:39:26 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Rangers.)
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To: euphoriadev

Brigade Commanders don't just issue orders like this directly down to the squad level. I'm not attempting to vindicate Steele. He may very well be the scumbag he's being made out to be but there's a whole lot of other subordinate leaders and staff who have some 'splainin' to do as well.


22 posted on 01/21/2007 12:40:09 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: W04Man; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...
This is the tip of an iceberg.

Myself and several other freepers have been involved with he defense and charities for several of he men charged in these incidents, and have heard the original Marines and Soldier statements from the start.

While our source is a fishwrap, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

This article shows that.

I understand your concern that things might be overblown, but I can assure you, that is not the case.

Euphoriadev has an internet radio show, and she has interviewed some of the people involved. The facts presented in several of our own personal posts, reflect not just a personal opinion but the unknown facts that we have been asked to not reveal, so, we might sound a little cryptic in some cases.

There is a huge amount of evidence of people being set up over the years, and these incidents of recent time in Iraq are just the newest ones.

It is an awful thing, to get involved with helping troops, to getting involved with the mourning of families near your home, to helping families of the accused, to finding out after all that, that the Marine Corps and Army you served in are no longer the Marine Corps or Army you would still die for.
23 posted on 01/21/2007 12:40:36 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: archy; BIGLOOK; ALOHA RONNIE

ping


24 posted on 01/21/2007 12:42:52 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TADSLOS

Normally I would agree with you. However, Steele is well known as a micromanager of the highest order. This is documented in several places.

Also, you need to consider the fact that SSG Ray Girouard was personally with Steele very often. Ray would report to Steele for something, or bring him documents etc., and then when the classified meetings began, no one asked him to leave. Girouard was privy to a great amount of information directly from Col. Steele's mouth, including the disposition of a friendly fire incident that Ray witnessed. He told Steele that it was wrong for the Army to lie to the family about how their son died and that he wanted to tell them the truth. Steele told him directly that he was NOT to reveal the truth, and he was ordered not to "rock the boat."

So in reality, I think it's completely plausible that someone like Col. Steele would feel the need to give an order like that directly to his troops. In fact, in the full article on NYT, he admits that he himself told his men to come off the chopper shooting.


25 posted on 01/21/2007 12:55:26 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: RaceBannon

>There is a huge amount of evidence of people being set up over the years, and these incidents of recent time in Iraq are just the newest ones.<

There seems to be a trend appearing almost everywhere of personal advancement and politics before patriotism. Maybe I'm just getting old enough to recognize it easier and faster now.


26 posted on 01/21/2007 12:56:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: euphoriadev

Not the same Mike Steele as from Black Hawk Down, is it? The Ranger Captain?


27 posted on 01/21/2007 1:03:02 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: euphoriadev
So in reality, I think it's completely plausible that someone like Col. Steele would feel the need to give an order like that directly to his troops. In fact, in the full article on NYT, he admits that he himself told his men to come off the chopper shooting.

Maybe so, but I know from experience that this kind of behavior from a commander does not go unnoticed by his staff, subordinate commanders and their staffs. Where were they and what actions did they take to reverse the situation? Steele didn't just wake up one morning and go into full "Apocalypse Now" mode. His decisions and actions didn't occur in a vacuum either. If we're going to hang out Steele to dry, lets do the whole load of laundry.

28 posted on 01/21/2007 1:05:06 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Same one.


29 posted on 01/21/2007 1:05:20 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: TADSLOS
Wow, that explains a lot. I knew his name looked familiar.

These days, soldiers need lawyers more than they do extra ammo. The next time I go back in theater, it'll be as a contractor. I can afford a very good lawyer, if anything happens. What's a SPC or SGT going to do, when he's abandoned by his chain of command and railroaded by JAG?

30 posted on 01/21/2007 1:11:34 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Steel Wolf
The next time I go back in theater, it'll be as a contractor. I can afford a very good lawyer, if anything happens.

LOL! You'll need it since you'll be subject to the UCMJ as a contractor now.

31 posted on 01/21/2007 1:15:47 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: RedRover
Wow. That's an open-ended question. ;) I'll do my best to be brief. There are a few things to consider here. First of all, look at the conviction rate of the military JAG Corps. While each service has their own, the conviction rate AVERAGES are 97%. No civilian attorney could EVER claim a 97% win rate. That alone says there's something not quite right going on. The abuses of the NCIS/CID/OSI are again, well-documented; the CID/OSI to a much lesser degree, but still. The AMN Bryan Roney Case is just one example of investigative agents literally making work to justify their own existence. Trying to court-martial a 20-year-old airman over seven one-ounce bottles of Jack Daniels that he didn't steal, drink, or possess at any time is pretty stupid. Considering this happened in Qatar, I think it's safe to say the OSI had bigger things to worry about. But I digress. I hate to keep drawing a parallel between the military investigative services and the police's Internal Affairs, but there are some serious similarities. These are people from within the ranks who are tasked with policing their peers. While everyone can agree that the military needs policing as a rule (as do we all), the simple fact is that that kind of power can corrupt. In many cases, it does. It's not just a question of them not understanding the ROE. These people don't understand a damn thing about their own jobs. That link on the King case illustrates it perfectly. In the Girouard case, the agent who interrogated him spent half the interview with her hand on his thigh, or with her arms around him, telling him she was "there for him," and trying to use her femininity to get him to "confess." An agent in the Pendleton 8 case admitted under oath she's never read the manual for her own job. I have the memos and documents from quite a number of cases where the NCIS has completely dropped the ball. Actually, "dropped the ball" implies they are incompetent, when the reality is their incompetence is exacerbated a hundredfold by their willful ignorance and purposeful intent to win cases and trophy hunt at any cost. Bottom line: They've been able to operate under a shroud for quite some time. Years and years. These cases are now getting more attention because of the work we are doing. It's like a serial rapist gets caught on one charge, and then other victims see him in the paper and say, "Hey, I know that guy...here's my story." Granted, I've had to weed through a few "false leads," but so far I've almost always gotten good info that is able to be independently corroborated. Holy soapbox. I'll get down now. Sorry for the long post, and I really hope I somehow came close to answering your question. ;) By the way, I've got Girouard's attorney on the show on Wednesday night to talk about some of these new developments.
32 posted on 01/21/2007 1:19:27 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: Steel Wolf

Yup. Exactly the same one.


33 posted on 01/21/2007 1:20:34 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: B4Ranch; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...
I think the issue is: What used to make us upset while we served, was the personal advancement of individual officers along with THEIR mess-ups being covered while ours were open, and how we forgot that, and instead centered our memories of our pride in service.

Now, to see these things pop up, I am reminded of those incidents where officers screw up and it got covered up.

We spent decades in pride of our service time, pride in what we did, in knowing officers who advanced were once OUR officers, we knew them as Lt's or Captains, and now they are Generals, and we were proud to know them.

And then this. Blinders which we voluntarily put on concerning the past, things best kept forgotten, are popping up again and it is affecting not just individual units or individuals in those units, but out national prestige as well; in order to absolve our guilt over an overblown frat-prank at Abu Grahib, we HANG our own troops to look like we are cleaning house of undesirables.

That is not ESprit d'Corps, that is not Honor, Duty, Country. It is the big, Green Weenie, at it's worst.
34 posted on 01/21/2007 1:21:10 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: TADSLOS

I agree. However, the most time-critical factor is getting the info out about Steele simply because there are guys in prison serving time for his little reprimand.

First and foremost, those guys need to be freed with the government's sincere (?) apologies. Then you're right...all the laundry gets done.


35 posted on 01/21/2007 1:23:01 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: RaceBannon

AMEN, Race. A-freaking-men.


36 posted on 01/21/2007 1:24:19 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: euphoriadev

Have any other officers and senior NCOS come forward to testified on their behalf and if not, why not (if you know)?


37 posted on 01/21/2007 1:30:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: TADSLOS

Great question.

Girouard's lieutenant testified on his behalf in the Article 32, which I have up for your reading pleasure at my site. I warn you, it's over 900 pages, but I've highlighted certain parts of it to ease the pain, at least in the first 200-300 pages. His LT said that there was no one he trusted more in the field.

Girouard himself is an E-6, at the age of 24. His resume is longer than many officers, and there is a long line of fellow soldiers who served under, below, and with him who are anxious to testify as to his integrity, skill, and professionalism.


38 posted on 01/21/2007 1:39:05 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: Calpernia
"(well, at least this one is in jail...but I see a pattern)"

As far as I know, she's still out on appeal bond.

39 posted on 01/21/2007 1:41:40 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6

What??!!


40 posted on 01/21/2007 1:44:10 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RaceBannon

I did not make the Marine Corps my lifetime career..
One tour of duty -- was a life changing experience and was enough to last me a lifetime.

However - I did come into contact with a fairly large number of Officers and senior NCOs in situations that taxed the moral fiber, character and integrity everyone..

Never - NOT ONCE did I ever encounter a warrior Officer or senior NCO I couldn't trust with my life......which in fact we were all doing at the time..

Never - NOT ONCE did I observe or even hear rumors about a Marine Officer who did ANYTHING to bring discredit to himself or the Corps...

If indeed there has been a drastic change in the CHARACTER of the men being Commissioned Officers in today's Marine Corps -- then that would indeed be a very sad development..

Until I've seen irrefutable evidence to the contrary -- I will continue to believe, at the core it's still the Corps.

Semper Fi


41 posted on 01/21/2007 1:51:40 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Calpernia
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_475778.html

You can also go to her website which also says that she is free on appeal bond. If you do, please cleanse your computer and then take a shower.

42 posted on 01/21/2007 1:55:44 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6

I started doing googles after I read your post.

No wonder she fell out of the news. I think everyone was under the assumption she was in jail after her conviction.

:(


43 posted on 01/21/2007 2:00:38 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: euphoriadev

ping to the top


44 posted on 01/21/2007 3:29:57 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: euphoriadev
BUMP
45 posted on 01/21/2007 3:52:52 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: euphoriadev

Is Tillman the friendly fire?


46 posted on 01/21/2007 4:02:37 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

no, there's another one.


Somewhere in America, a mother thinks her son was killed by enemy fire and wasn't.


47 posted on 01/21/2007 4:09:43 PM PST by euphoriadev (http://euphoricreality.com - hosting The Front Line with Kit Jarrell)
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To: euphoriadev; RaceBannon; RedRover
BUMP and a MUST READ PING http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771181/posts
48 posted on 01/21/2007 4:11:17 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: B4Ranch
There seems to be a trend appearing almost everywhere of personal advancement and politics before patriotism. Maybe I'm just getting old enough to recognize it easier and faster now.

It's called cynicism. I find more and more of it as well.

49 posted on 01/21/2007 4:33:04 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: euphoriadev

Not hard to understand when one removes all the extraneous words from the title of this thread

MEN FACE DEATH TO HIDE REPRIMAND


50 posted on 01/21/2007 4:37:36 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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