Posted on 01/26/2007 4:17:04 AM PST by NewMediaJournal
To put it bluntly, I have little use for Bush-bashers. Their song is old and tired. Their mordantly indignant tirades serve to degrade, not only the office of the president, but the intellectual stature of Americans in the eyes of the world. While there is always room for genuine, thoughtful, intellectual debate, debate that supposes solutions over rhetoric, Americans have grown tolerant to the small-minded practice of Bush-bashing. If there is anything that reduces the image of Americans around the globe it is the stunted, acerbic, bullhorn mentality of America’s Fifth Column and those who join in their caustic idiom.
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When laws are already on the books concerning illegals, there's no need for debate. However, when the president refuses to uphold the laws, then I have quite a lot to say.
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Baloney - you would just find some other reason to be a BashBot
To that end, I had suggested in a previous column that those who broke the law to get here be given only one path to citizenship, a path with real economic, legal and social penalties. Illegals should be given one choice: a) pay back taxes for the time they illegally worked here, agree to accept a felony conviction (the penalty being an extended period of probation), agree to master the English language, assimilate and forfeit the right to vote in all elections, local, state and federal, or b) be detained and summarily deported. But I digress.
This is better than some proposals, but it still does not correct the situation. I feel that these people should leave on their own accord, immediately, taking their offspring with them. If they do not, and must be rounded up, then they lose any opportunity to return, ever. If they leave on their own accord they may return after waiting in line behind all who have applied before them. No special consideration. They are illegal, and so are criminals, and must go. They came to plunder. They cost us billions. They deserve no quarter.
Pure ignorance.
Go check the costs of buying, maintaining and using refineries.
Go check the U.S. offshore lease costs.
Go check the cost of drilling dry wells. The cost of offshore oil rigs, the cost of workers, medical benefits.
And, you expect oil companies to forego profits? Why not go talk to OPEC?
I'll bet these are the same people ranting about the Iraq war is all about oil.
Are you an idiot? Or do you just play at one on FreeRepublic?
They are at the very minimum very enterprising individuals that have shunned a broken system and took risks to find a better life and opportunity.
If you find the need to place blame, start with the State governments that provide them services and benefits. The State governments encourage these folks. They are future taxpayers and Americans.
They are a helleva lot more resourceful than certain other groups which shall go unmentioned.
"And, you expect oil companies to forego profits?"
That's what Congress wants.
(and I do hope you meant the owner operater when you stated "Pure ingnorance.") :D!
Even then I doubt the government would do anything, except starve it's own citizens.
My guess is that the Gore-ites who are pushing for global cooling are the ones in bed with big oil.
If the Gore-ites limit oil production/supplies the cost of oil will rise.
And if the Gore-ites succeed in cooling the earth, more oil will be needed, so the cost of oil will rise.
Very interesting spin.
I and many others feel that this whole Global Warming thing is another excuse to tax the American people and thwart our economy.
Isn't it always about money and power?
The odds are that what you say is true.
Really? I thought that they came to work and were responsible for much of the economic boom throughout the south. I didn't realize that they were actually Cossacks.
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Ditto. And on Iraq, good idea - miserable execution. The CIC of the most powerful nation ever couldn't get it right in subduing and controlling a third rate (if that) nation. WW2 - 12/41 through 8/45. Iraq - 2/03 through ???
This little surge will not get it done. W will be history in 2 years. His successor will likely pull the plug and our kids will have to fight it all over again.
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Are you talking about those cuddly creatures who fill our prisons or the cute little worker bees who have so drained our health care system that hospitals down on the border have had to close?
One can almost hear your heart bleeding as you urge us to embrace those courageous souls who have the energy to sap our country but not to try to fix their's.
Uh-oh. Now you've done it. The FReeper economists will be here shortly to lecture you about supply and demand and that oil companies are the most incorruptable institutions on the planet.
(I think most hold Exxon stock)
So, you do admit I have reason to complain, yet you still say, "baloney". You make no sense.
LOL! That graphic's a hoot!
If I stay in bed, I don't eat. It's as simple as that.
Don't get sick days and paid vacations.
Don't have someone else paying my health insurance.
The vast majority of illegals I run into are hard workers, supremely honest, grateful for the opportunity to live in the United States.
You prefer to dwell on the criminal element of the group. That's fair I suppose.
I see a lot of successful entrepeneurial spirit among the illegal population.
Bottom line, maybe you should ask yourself why the government appears to turn a blind eye in the middle of an international War on Terror.
Just another reason to love Mexico!
Bush bashing is part of the liberal religion here in Minnesota. It is much like the "two minute hate" in George Orwell's 1984, except it can go longer than two minutes, and unfortunately well past screaming. Having a reasoned disagreement - OK. Bush Bashing like there is up here is completely void of reason, and is more a psychosis. I would even dare say it causes brain damage.
But then true-blue Minnesotans (hard core DFL'ers who congregate at Summit and Snelling and limit "debate" to rant chants) view those born in Texas as retards and anyone who has spent significant time in Texas as hopelessly brain damaged. The "logic" behind that? "Well Bush is from Texas, so there". "HATEBUSHHATEBUSHHATEHATEHATEBUSHWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"
(need graphic of cartoon liberal bashing head against keyboard and eyes falling out of sockets)
Aside from the odd reference to your 'panties' one is struck by the basic socialist bullcrap in your statement, especially given the fact that the discussion is about people here illegally.
More DCP: "The vast majority of illegals I run into are hard workers..." and "I see a lot of successful entrepeneurial spirit among the illegal population."
Let's see, business owner who spends a lot of time in close contact with illegals...could it be that you run your business by breaking the law and hiring or contracting with illegals in order to turn a larger profit by not paying higher wages and benefits to American workers?
Everything you write about your political position is based on pure liberal style self-interest...self proclaimed conservative in matters relating to small business and hopelessy pink liberal in immigration issues. Here's a clue princess...that is not patriotic.
As for the cost to real Americans from your position regarding your pals (aside from the criminal element) ---
According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate. Dr. Nickey also states that leprosy, which is considered by most Americans to be a disease of the Third World, is readily evident along the U.S.-Mexico border and that dysentery is several times the U.S. rate ...
By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."
“What is unseen is their [illegal aliens’] free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors.” —Madeleine Peiner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring 2005
And if Congress made them legal tomorrow, you'd be crying like a baby. Why?
"And if Congress made them legal tomorrow, you'd be crying like a baby. Why?"
Because the newly legal aliens would now be too expensive to hire. Employers would all have to tack on payroll taxes and do thee accounting for the IRS that they now skate through under the table. Congress would still not give a hoot about the border. More illegals would flood in and take the taxpayer subsidized slots of the former illegals and the newly legals would all get the earned income exclusion and full welfare and unemployment.
Thank you. Well said.
Well - you know - it kind of depends on who is doing what.
When it is people destroying this country, lying to the American public, being a con man, one who is corrupt one is to do what they can.
When it is one tearing down their own party's president merely because he is not as conservative as one wishes or because he does not bring about the totally perfect government or because he does not ignore the laws, because he does not become a dictator to instill one's objective - it is self-destructive to the party working toward the goals of conservatism.
But, you know that full well.
Second post not bad. Do you troll looking for new threads?
Why don't you hold Exxon stock if the companies are doing so very well? Seems a no-brainer to me.
Funny, how people love to stay ignorant of facts when they choose to barnstorm against some corporation.
What about competition? How come different stations have different prices? All the competitors would have to do is undercut Exxon daily and run them out of business. How does a corporation employ people and keep them working when there are no funds coming in?
Of course the oil companies are going to make profits, and as much as possible because they have to cover their mammoth expenses to find the oil, to get it out of the ground and then to process it for consumption. Who comes in and pays the losses when one of the countries decides to nationalize the oil in their country and confiscate all a corporation's assets? Who pays for the dry holes? Who pays for the losses when a country is overtaken by war?
What good does it do an oil company to allow their massive investment in equipment to be used for charity or to give away the more profitable periods and only keep the periods of loss? How long would they be in operation?
Those guys are tough and they will not lose money because they have many underneath them just waiting for the opportunity to take over their jobs who will earn more money.
So, just believe there is some corporation, some government that will give all cheap oil and take the massive cost of getting oil without trying to make it all come out even or a little profitable to make it worth while.
Of course, the easiest thing is to quit using oil and boycott them. You drove up the price of getting oil in this country so it is now necessary to go to foreign locations which cost tons more.
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