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What Really Happened in Najaf? (WE ARE LOSING THE PROPOGANDA WAR, FOLKS)
Electronic Iraq ^ | 2/1/07 | Jeff Severns Guntzel

Posted on 02/01/2007 9:06:39 PM PST by tcrlaf

In today's Independent, Patrick Cockburn writes:

There are growing suspicions in Iraq that the official story of the battle outside Najaf between a messianic Iraqi cult and the Iraqi security forces supported by the US, in which 263 people were killed and 210 wounded, is a fabrication. The heavy casualties may be evidence of an unpremeditated massacre.

A picture is beginning to emerge of a clash between an Iraqi Shia tribe on a pilgrimage to Najaf and an Iraqi army checkpoint that led the US to intervene with devastating effect. The involvement of Ahmed al-Hassani (also known as Abu Kamar), who believed himself to be the coming Mahdi, or Messiah, appears to have been accidental.

The story emerging on independent Iraqi websites and in Arabic newspapers is entirely different from the government's account of the battle with the so-called "Soldiers of Heaven", planning a raid on Najaf to kill Shia religious leaders.

The cult denied it was involved in the fighting, saying it was a peaceful movement.


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KEYWORDS: iraq; najaf; propaganda; propoganda; taquiya; waronterror
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To: tcrlaf

Just wait till the red cross green helmet guy turns up with his mobile mortuary.


21 posted on 02/01/2007 9:28:19 PM PST by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: jveritas

J, YOU of all people should realize how hard it is to get THE TRUTH out, above the din of Partisan lies coming from the left and thier friends in the Islamic World....

We live in a world where the average person's news comes in 5 second sound bites driving to work, in the 30 second news brief before "American Idol", and in a single paragraph on the cellphone.

We SHOULD have been countering every Liberal Lie from Day one, but we didn't, and assumed WAY too much from the intelligence of the sheeple to see above the lies.

We don't have much time left to save this thing, and if we don't start doing it NOW, we never will......

I'd hate to see the blood and efforts of my family and friends wasted....


22 posted on 02/01/2007 9:30:23 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: DocRock

Yeah, and the "peaceful" 500 AKs rifles recovered as well as the more than 400 "peaceful" combatants captured from their "peaceful" compound and fighting positions. The reason they were bombed was because local advisors called in the USAF and RAF in support of a 10 hr. long ground battle. It began with the militia's "peaceful" morning attacks from prepared positions against IA and Coalition support units.


23 posted on 02/01/2007 9:30:44 PM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: tcrlaf

We need dozens and dozens more of these types of battles.


24 posted on 02/01/2007 9:30:51 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: tcrlaf

At least it wasn't a wedding...


25 posted on 02/01/2007 9:32:51 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Boycott all Leftist Media, ignore them and they will go away...)
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To: jveritas

should be 70,000 X 70,000....they are barbarians,,,they will bring the world to chaos...kill them mercilessly


26 posted on 02/01/2007 9:33:53 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: Justa

The Boston Globe will probably print some more graphic full color XXX sex pics above the fold and tell the world our troops raped these peaceful pilgrims, too.


27 posted on 02/01/2007 9:36:08 PM PST by DocRock (Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark)
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To: tcrlaf

My fellow freeper our side do not have control of the media, it is like 30% to 70% Right Versus Left, Good Vs Evil when it comes to the media, but amazingly we have been winning more than they have been winning.


28 posted on 02/01/2007 9:42:41 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: tcrlaf
We are LOSING the Propoganda War, people

Yes, hell yes, we are loosing that part of the war. We always do it seems, at least in the 'real time'.

Whatever the outcome of this war and who really knows when it will be over, it will take 50 years later to get a full account of it.

The more I know, the more I know I don't know, and the great teachings of the one infinite wisdom to be true.
29 posted on 02/01/2007 9:48:47 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: jveritas

"but amazingly we have been winning more than they have been winning."


REALLY???

These are post from just THE LAST HOUR on a FINANCIAL board I monitor. The Leftist proganda blizzard goes on 24/7, and never stops. No Lie is left unused, no hate-filled insult left unspewed...


Bush Makes the Problem Worse and Then Admits There Is Actually a Probl...
by PhilSimms [19 minutes ago]

Bush is the most ignorant public speaker.
by calseamonster [3 minutes ago]

OBAMA - ARTICULATE
by lu_dude [19 minutes ago] Not rated 5

HIGHER EDUCATION == CURE FOR BEING A PUKE
by loanboy07 [3 minutes ago]

NOT SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION HAVE SAVINGS BEEN SOOOOO LOW
by lu_dude [43 minutes ago]

13 MILLION SUBURBANITES LIVING IN POVERTY
by lu_dude [40 minutes ago]

HEY PUKES, IS SENATOR WARNER A FAGGOT TRAITOR TOO?
by loanboy07 [22 minutes ago]

SO LET'S JUST GIVE THE PALESTINIANS THEIR STATE ALREADY
by loanboy07 [11 minutes ago]

PUT CHIMP ON A PAY FOR PERFORMANCE PLAN
by lu_dude [34 minutes ago] Not rated

"Heckuva Job Maliki"
by cgwingman [40 minutes ago]


30 posted on 02/01/2007 9:49:55 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: RushCrush

<<<How can we win this?<<<

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777003/posts

NO EXCUSES. THAT IS HOW WE WIN.


31 posted on 02/01/2007 10:04:47 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: tcrlaf

"WE ARE LOSING THE PROPOGANDA WAR, FOLKS"

We were never in it.


32 posted on 02/01/2007 10:04:50 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: jveritas

The propoganda war is going to be a mighty hard war to win, with a predominately christian army occupying a muslim country, and an oil-rich one at that. I'm surprised someone in the white house didn't consider the inevitabliity of all this before they decided to invade.


33 posted on 02/01/2007 10:06:02 PM PST by freeamerica1
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To: All

We at USMILNET have partnered with Vets4Victory, a grassroots organization led by LTC's(RET) Steve Russell and Scott Rutter.

Here is a link to our site, and the forum that pertains to what we can do:

http://usmilnet.com/smf/index.php


USMILNET is not just open to the military. We are open to all veterans, active duty, family members, and supporters. I will not lie, we do lean a bit to the right. We are basically a spin off from military.com because we felt they were starting to lean left. Our concerns have since been validated.


34 posted on 02/01/2007 10:08:42 PM PST by Rebelkev
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To: freeamerica1
I'm surprised someone in the white house didn't consider the inevitabliity of all this before they decided to invade.

Welcome. How do you know they didn't consider it?

35 posted on 02/01/2007 10:09:01 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: TomGuy

Well, the President isn't comfortable with mass public speaking. He prefers small venues, and we don't want him being uncomfortable by addressing his, and more importantly, the military's detractors.


36 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:31 PM PST by kenth (I wish compassionate conservatives were more compassionate to conservatism.)
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To: everyone

And we should believe "independent Iraqi websites and Arabic newspapers"? Sheesh.


37 posted on 02/01/2007 10:28:04 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: RushCrush

"all the people are on pilgrimage no matter where they are."

Or attending a wedding.


38 posted on 02/01/2007 10:47:45 PM PST by JSteff
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To: jveritas

I should have been more clear. Our enemies do not control the actual field -- our warfighters do. Our enemies control the field that we are discussing here -- i.e., the PR field. And that's a field that we have been ignoring to our peril. Remember the importance Churchill placed on propaganda if you disagree.


39 posted on 02/01/2007 10:55:50 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Rebelkev; pollyannaish; tcrlaf; SandRat; RushCrush; jveritas; Bob J
People are starting to get motivated and organized to take action against the propaganda and are doing something about it. Please take a look at post 34.
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777811/posts?page=34#34
 
I know Rebelkev from Conservative Underground and when I saw this thread I PM'd him over there. The subforum dealing with the issue of the propoganda war we're facing and what Rebelkev at USMILNET.com and Vets4Victory.com are doing is located here: http://usmilnet.com/smf/index.php?board=148.0  . 
 
 
 
 
 
 

40 posted on 02/01/2007 11:01:36 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns
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