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Kerry and Gingrich Prepare for Smackdown
The Washington Post ^ | 4/4/07 | Mary Ann Akers

Posted on 04/05/2007 1:17:51 PM PDT by NECAWA

"Out of the presidential race but still itching to be a part of it all, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) seems to be trying to position himself as the Newt Gingrich of his party." The debate is to be "Hosted by New York University's John Brademas Center for the Study of Congress."

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KEYWORDS: algore; climatechange; environment; gingrich; globalwarming; newt; newtgingrich
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Surprisingly I didn't find this posted previously, but Newt and Kerry are going to debate the environment. The link is to yesterday's heads up in the Washington Post Blog site, but now Drudge is linking to a report in today's The Hill, stating that the debate is set for next Tuesday, April 10, at 10 a.m. in the Russell Senate Office Building.
1 posted on 04/05/2007 1:17:52 PM PDT by NECAWA
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To: NECAWA

If Gingrich really wanted to show this scumbag for what he is, he should be debating national defense, the dispicable state of the Congress, and open borders. So instead of REAL SERIOUS ISSUES, they talk about the three-toed lizard...God help America.


2 posted on 04/05/2007 1:20:13 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

No matter what the discuss, Newt is going to wipe the floor with this half-wit


3 posted on 04/05/2007 1:22:12 PM PDT by SMARTY
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To: NECAWA
Two political has-beens trying to make themselves relevant.
4 posted on 04/05/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: NECAWA

Wasn’t Kerry a veteran of the Viet Nam War?


5 posted on 04/05/2007 1:35:27 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: EagleUSA
“I know... lets have a spelling bee.”


6 posted on 04/05/2007 1:53:33 PM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: SMARTY

The only problem with this is that HorseFace doesn’t have enough brain power to KNOW that he got destroyed.


7 posted on 04/05/2007 2:01:06 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: NECAWA

“Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) seems to be trying to position himself as the Newt Gingrich of his party.” “

I can’t stop laughing.


8 posted on 04/05/2007 2:03:49 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SMARTY
I wouldn't be so sure. I seem to remember how he and Hillary had a love--fest when they talked about health care.

In fact, I think it's even money whether or not Newt ends up agreeing with Kerry.

Is this thing going to be televised?

9 posted on 04/05/2007 2:06:28 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Miss Marple

This debate should be very funny, Kerry will make an even bigger fool out of himself.


10 posted on 04/05/2007 2:21:47 PM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: NECAWA
If Kerry is trying to position himself as the Newt of the democrat party wouldn’t he have to, I don’t know...like come up with some ideas?
11 posted on 04/05/2007 2:23:05 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: johnny7

“...let’s have a spelling CONTEST.” ;-)


12 posted on 04/05/2007 2:33:50 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NECAWA

Based on the preview provided by the story and the quotes from each debater’s camp, Gingrich does not plan on confronting the CO2 fallacy. I’ll bet this debate hits with a big dud.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 2:37:49 PM PDT by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: NELSON111

G-I-G-O-L-O


14 posted on 04/05/2007 2:40:38 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NELSON111

My bad... ;)


15 posted on 04/05/2007 2:41:30 PM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: Miss Marple
You mean like Bush having a huge love fest with Kennedy over the illegals
16 posted on 04/05/2007 2:43:31 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Charge'em Both Ways)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Newt Schooled Edwards in their debate about how to care for the poor, so it will be interesting here.


17 posted on 04/05/2007 3:00:08 PM PDT by Paul8148
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18 posted on 04/05/2007 4:02:12 PM PDT by honolulugal
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To: A. Morgan
Kerry will make an even bigger fool out of himself.

Is that even possible, at this point?
19 posted on 04/05/2007 4:04:38 PM PDT by rottndog (Happy April Fools Day! (How is April these days....?))
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To: SMARTY

What is Newt’s position on Global Warming? Is this going to turn into a debate on who can figure out the most ways to conserve the energy and who can best develop alternative sources of energy the fastest? I get the feeling that the two agree more than they disagree in terms of our energy policy.


20 posted on 04/05/2007 4:05:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: A. Morgan
.....Kerry will make an even bigger fool out of himself.

Not sure if that's possible.......;)

21 posted on 04/05/2007 4:32:45 PM PDT by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: NECAWA

I hope they make the podcast available of it.


22 posted on 04/05/2007 4:40:51 PM PDT by SolitaryMan
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To: NECAWA

This should be an interesting, although somewhat one sided, debate. Newt will come fully prepared and Kerry will be his normal clueless self attempting to bring his miniscule VietNam experience into it with imagined memories of Cambodia.


23 posted on 04/05/2007 6:22:54 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: BuffaloJack
I did not know Kerry served in Vietnam.

:^)
24 posted on 04/05/2007 7:15:47 PM PDT by Tolik (If you don't agree with me 102% of the time, then you're a RINO)
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To: A. Morgan

On a lighter note have you noticed that John Kerry is looking more and more like Herman Munster, lily! oh lily!


25 posted on 04/05/2007 7:18:11 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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To: NECAWA

This will be hilarious.

Newt may have his shortcomings...but he is brilliant and articulate. Kerry will look like.....exactly what he is:)


26 posted on 04/05/2007 7:21:22 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: B Knotts

ping


27 posted on 04/05/2007 11:37:30 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: NECAWA
Either Newt isn't running or he is the first known person to be running for VP.

I think it's time Newt fans get serious about who their second choice will be if he doesn't declare a candidacy.
28 posted on 04/06/2007 3:21:37 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Tolik

Yup, 3 whole months.


29 posted on 04/06/2007 4:01:55 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: johnny7

Yes...it was bad...how could you dare misquote a classic! ;-)


30 posted on 04/06/2007 4:54:45 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: EagleUSA

That’s ridiculous, this new environmental religion/global warming has got to be stopped and the sooner the better. It is a SERIOUS ISSUE because it’s where the radical, anti-American, anti-establishment movement presides at this time.


31 posted on 04/06/2007 5:03:36 AM PDT by Alissa
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To: NELSON111

I must have seen that movie 20 times too... still like it.


32 posted on 04/06/2007 5:03:43 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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33 posted on 04/06/2007 6:21:26 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: George W. Bush
I think it's time Newt fans get serious about who their second choice will be if he doesn't declare a candidacy.

I hear you, and you're probably right. Once I see one worth a crap, I'll let you know.
34 posted on 04/06/2007 7:47:53 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: Alissa; EagleUSA
It is a SERIOUS ISSUE because it’s where the radical, anti-American, anti-establishment movement presides at this time.

And you're exactly right. Going forward, there's going to be no bigger pretext for taking away our rights than "Climate Change".

Believe me, the "high priests" of this movement, the real true believers, believe in one of two "solutions" to this "problem". One is a return to a "sustainable" subsistence farming economy, preferably in communes with no livestock, where everyone lives in poverty for the good of the planet. The other is the extinction of the human race for the same end. This is not a joke or an exaggeration.
35 posted on 04/06/2007 7:56:46 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: The Pack Knight
Once I see one worth a crap, I'll let you know.

Join the crowd. ; )

It's a little like the princess kissing the frog.
First, to a conservative, they're all frogs.
Second, since your kiss will turn him into a prince, choose your frog wisely.
I think the Founders wouldn't disagree with that notion. They were a pretty cynical bunch.
36 posted on 04/06/2007 8:11:23 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Of course, if you go back and look over the list of Presidents...

Well, only a small minority of those 43 men were really worthy of the office.
37 posted on 04/06/2007 8:24:34 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: SMARTY

If you’re stupid enough to debate one of the most brilliant minds in Washington, you might just be John Kerry.


38 posted on 04/06/2007 9:26:03 AM PDT by Nice50BMG (3 books to read this year: The Bible (God), Bringing Up Boys (Dobson), Winning the Future (Newt))
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To: The Pack Knight
Aha. Another conservative cynic.

It's a miracle we can even bring ourselves to vote. But Churchill was right: democracy is the worst form of government unless compared to all the others.

Hold your nose, crawl over the broken glass, pull the lever. And expect the worst.
39 posted on 04/06/2007 9:26:23 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
It's probably for the best. Only a truly great man would be worthy of the power the office of President of the United States grants, and great men have an annoying tendency to become tyrants.

Your mention of the Founders reminded me of a thought I once had that we might have been better off if, instead of a President and a Vice President, they had simply created two co-equal Presidents with veto powers over each other. Hey, it worked for the Romans...
40 posted on 04/06/2007 10:18:07 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: AmericaUnited
The only problem with this is that HorseFace doesn’t have enough brain power to KNOW that he got destroyed.

He'll just blame his staff, like he did over the election results.

41 posted on 04/06/2007 10:20:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The most dangerous place in the world is between Hillary and the Oval Office)
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To: A. Morgan
...Kerry will make an even bigger fool out of himself.

But how will we know?

42 posted on 04/06/2007 10:23:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The most dangerous place in the world is between Hillary and the Oval Office)
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To: George W. Bush
It's probably for the best. Only a truly great man would be worthy of the power the office of President of the United States grants, and great men have an annoying tendency to become tyrants.

Your mention of the Founders reminded me of a thought I once had that we might have been better off if, instead of a President and a Vice President, they had simply created two co-equal Presidents with veto powers over each other. Hey, it worked for the Romans...
43 posted on 04/06/2007 10:34:39 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: The Pack Knight
instead of a President and a Vice President, they had simply created two co-equal Presidents with veto powers over each other.

Actually, they forbid that division of the executive but we were not wise enough to hold to their example. You recall the Xlinton Co-Presidency?

Yeah, it sounds good but it's a bad idea. One executive is dangerous enough to the health of the republic.

But if you really go for that idea, I read that Rudy is offering a Co-Presidentrix. And the Dims are offering a Presidentrix with a Co-President, it seems. The rest of the GOP field is, alas, mired in the dreary past.
44 posted on 04/06/2007 10:39:39 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Newt is definitely not “running for VP”, he wouldn’t add anything to the ticket in second spot. He is either running for POTUS (so that my position is clear, I hope he does) and waiting for final implosion of Rudy and Johnny, or he is not running. He himself has said that it’s too early for “running” and I believe he is right, as he is most times. Also, Internet is changing dynamics of political campaigns and importance of money - formerly mostly for saturation TV ads, now will be more properly directed for viral campaigns and grass-roots GOTV (hopefully more effective than GOP did in 2006) - so “early money” will be “dumb money” this time around.

In the meantime, Newt is getting more exposure with the things that count more than mouthing off stale platitudes, and he is pushing ideas and proposes solutions to actual real problems that people want to hear and understand and get behind.


45 posted on 04/06/2007 6:36:47 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: The Pack Knight
The other is the extinction of the human race for the same end. This is not a joke or an exaggeration.

No, unfortunately it's not. You are, of course, referring to Thomas Malthus' population theory, that like most bad ideas and theories never die, just keep changing their form or language. There are many neo-Malthusians today, particularly in various socialist movements.

46 posted on 04/06/2007 6:45:07 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: The Pack Knight
Hey, it worked for the Romans.

I am not so sure co-Consuls really "worked" that well for the Romans. If it ever did, I am afraid it was not for very long.

47 posted on 04/06/2007 6:53:07 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
You are, of course, referring to Thomas Malthus' population theory, that like most bad ideas and theories never die, just keep changing their form or language. There are many neo-Malthusians today, particularly in various socialist movements.

That, too, but I'm actually referring to more concrete, current opinion. One is the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement..

http://www.vhemt.org/

Another example is the recent London Zoo human exhibit which portrayed humans as a "plague species".

Worldnetdaily article

I am not so sure co-Consuls really "worked" that well for the Romans. If it ever did, I am afraid it was not for very long.

As for that, we still have 250 years before our republic has lasted as long as the Roman Republic did. We sill have 200 years before we even hit the time of Sulla and Marius. We had a very bloody civil war only 70 years after the ratification of the Constitution. It was centuries before the Romans had a civil war. I'd say it worked out alright.
48 posted on 04/06/2007 11:59:18 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: The Pack Knight

VHEMT does seem like one of the many neo-Malthusian organizations which, in general, agree with Malthus on a “problem” but all have different flavors or proposed “solutions” (Malthus’ preferred solution was wars).

BTW, I assume you are no “relations” to VHEMT founder Les Knight ? :~)

http://www.amazon.com/Return-Malthus-Environmentalism-Post-War-Population-Resource/dp/1874267510
“The Return of Malthus: Environmentalism and Post-War Population-Resource Crises”

Re Romans, the bigger lesson of Rome is that they were undone essentially from within, way before finally succumbing to external forces. Unfortunately, we see something not dissimilar today in US.


49 posted on 04/07/2007 10:32:20 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
No relation. My mother named me "The" for reasons that remain obscure. I tried calling myself T.P. Knight in college, but I stopped that for reasons that should be obvious.

And that is the big lesson of the Roman Republic. It really started when politicians began buying votes with other peoples' money, mostly through subsidized grain and state-mandated debt forgiveness. That should seem familiar to anyone posting here. It should be noted that this populist strain of politics led to the first recorded instance of political violence in Rome since the overthrow of the Tarquinii kings. This, of course, was the killing of the Gracchi.

The other major factor came with the Marian reforms, which replaced the citizen army with a professional army, but did not replace the politically appointed officers with a professional officer corps, a dangerous combination whose results speak for themselves. Luckily, we don't quite have THAT yet.
50 posted on 04/07/2007 1:25:29 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Democracy is the tyranny of all over all. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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