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My husband just e-mailed me this.

1 posted on 04/17/2007 9:54:04 AM PDT by KosmicKitty
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2 posted on 04/17/2007 9:56:14 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Liberals embrace the sin......Christians embrace the sinner.)
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To: KosmicKitty

He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. (NIV, Genesis 16)


3 posted on 04/17/2007 9:57:25 AM PDT by GRANGER (We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. - Ann Coulter)
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To: KosmicKitty
The article I saw seemed to indicate that Ismail Ax was written on his arm in red, not in the note. It’s not a widely distributed piece of information it would appear, however.
4 posted on 04/17/2007 9:58:10 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: KosmicKitty
FR poster 'Jack Black' posted this analysis on the main thread

I would say that he was familiar with the Koranic version of the life of Ibrahim. In it Ibrahim uses an axe to destroy the false idols that the people are worshipping.

Apparently the killer felt that the VT students were degenerate. In killing them he was, perhaps, merely acting to 'cleanse' the world of falsity in the same way Ibrahim had. Only he did not see himself as the active agent, but only as the tool. The axe, not the wielder of the axe.

I got this off a web site with Islamic stories on it Ibrahim confronts his people and rejects their idols

He left his father after he lost hope to convert him to the right path, and directed his efforts towards the people of the town, but they rejected his call and threatened him. By Allah, he said, I shall plot a plan to destroy their idols. He knew that a big celebration was coming soon, where everybody would leave town for a big feast on the riverbank.

After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were offered to them, but the food was untouched. "Well, why don't you eat? The food is getting cold." He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left.

How big was the shock when the people entered the temple! They gathered inside watching in awe their gods broken in pieces. They wondered who might have done this? Then they all remembered that the young Ibrahim was talking evil of their idols.

They brought him to the temple and asked him: "Are you the one who has done this to our gods?" Ibrahim said: "No, this statue, the biggest of them has done it. Ask them if they can speak." "You know well that these idols don't speak!" They said impatiently. "Then how come you worship things that can neither speak nor see, nor even fend for themselves? Have you lost your minds?"

They kept silent for a while, for he got a point there. Their minds and their senses were telling them that the Truth is with Ibrahim, but their pride prevented them to accept it, and reject the idols they were worshipping for generations. This they thought would be total defeat. They started yelling at him and shouting: "Burn him! Burn him! Take revenge for your gods !"

It goes on, God saves Ibrahim from a fire that priests make to burn him for destroying the idols, etc. Amazing. A strong ROP connection after all

5 posted on 04/17/2007 10:00:20 AM PDT by meg88
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To: KosmicKitty

Oh my goodness, another violent act inspired by Islam!


6 posted on 04/17/2007 10:03:53 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Wonder if he had a Koran in his room and studied Islam??

Pray for W and Va Tech


8 posted on 04/17/2007 10:06:56 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: KosmicKitty

This may also be a reference to a specific person he had a problem with. There are a lot of references to people with this name at VaTech.

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/virginiatech?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&domains=vt.edu&q=Ismail&btnG=Search&sitesearch=vt.edu


11 posted on 04/17/2007 10:12:08 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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“They said Cho also died with the words Ismail Ax in red ink on one of his arms.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,176236.story?track=rss


15 posted on 04/17/2007 10:42:06 AM PDT by faq
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To: KosmicKitty

I did a search on “Ismail” and “ax”, dug around a bit, and found this. It is from a book called “Hajj” by Dr. Ali Shariati. It relates Ibrahim’s destruction of idols, and there is a line that refers to taking an axe and “sacrficing your Ismail.” I don’t know if this is allegorical and meant to refer to spiritual struggle, or whether it is something that is encourage to be acted upon in the world. Here also is one of the chapters:

The Battle Front


The three Satans, situated along the King’s Street, are about one hundred meters apart from each other. Each represents a “monument”, a “statue” or an “idol”. Every year their faces are painted white!

“God is Great”, how meaningful! The army has arrived; all have arms (pebbles) in their hands and are ready to fire. When you reach the first idol, do not shoot - but pass by. When you reach the second idol, do not shoot but pass by. When you reach the third idol, do not pass by, but shoot!Why? Those wise and experienced teachers usually tell us to quietly and gradually take turns in a sequential way but here Ibrahim is the Commander and orders:

“SHOOT THE LAST ONE IN YOUR FIRST ATTACK”! “DID YOU SHOOT?” “YES” “HOW MANY TIMES?” “SEVEN!” “ARE YOU SURE THEY HIT THE TARGET?” “I AM SURE.” “DID YOU HIT THE BELLY OR THE LEGS?” “NONE!” “DID YOU HIT HIS BACK?” “NO.” “DID YOU HIT HIS HEAD AND FACE?” “YES, I DID.” “WELL DONE!”

The fight is over. When the last idol falls, the first and second ones can not resist. The last idol supports the other two. After leaving the front, you have nothing more to do except make the sacrifice Then you may announce and celebrate your victory! Take off your ihram put on your desired clothing, cut your hair, use perfume if you want and embrace your spouse. You are free now! You are a man! Mina is conquered by you and Satan is defeated. What am I saying? You are Ibrahim now! You are in the position to sacrifice your Ismail for Him.

http://www.al-islam.org/hajj/shariati/21.htm
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Maybe a stretch and maybe coincidental. Maybe not.

In the Wikipedia article on Shariati, there is a link to another article, “Ali Shariati, Islamic Fundamentalist, Marxist Ideologue, and Sufi Mystic.”

In my own opinion it’s way too early to have an answer on what motivated this killer. So I offer this FWIW.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 10:48:54 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Christos anesti!)
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To: KosmicKitty; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MizSterious; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; Dog; Dog Gone; ...

If this is true, we now know why the big delay in announcing his name and were did he come from.

A question for Tiger Likes Rooster:

Are there Koreans with Manchurian ancestors? This guy was very tall compared to most Koreans and to me had a Manchurian appearance versus Korean?


19 posted on 04/17/2007 11:05:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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I just posted this ....has his photo:

Roommate: Gunman 'weird' ~~ Virginia Tech Gunman ....

26 posted on 04/17/2007 11:56:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: KosmicKitty
Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:

Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders

From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:

President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.

Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:

As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .

This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:

Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.

Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.

The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.

So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said

ISMAIL AK

and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said

ISMAIL AX

That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism.

This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.

29 posted on 04/17/2007 2:41:05 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (You've got Ismail!)
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>Cho Seung-Hui Was Inspired By Islam

Those Columbine kids
liked Doom. Were they "inspired by"
videogame play?

33 posted on 04/17/2007 2:57:54 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: KosmicKitty

In this AP article:

http://story.news.ask.com//article/20070418/D8OJ5AHO0.html

there is the following quote regarding the suicide notes:

“He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.”

The way that sentence is written it implies that his religion is not Christianity, but it doesn’t say what it is. This is the first reference I have seen that indicates that Cho had a religion. Maybe the sentence is poorly written and meant to say that his religion was Christianity, but it leaves it ambiguous. It is a piece of the puzzle for those who would like to understand his thought processes.


37 posted on 04/18/2007 12:24:21 PM PDT by OK
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To: KosmicKitty

FWIW, you’re an idiot for spreading rumors.


40 posted on 04/20/2007 10:03:25 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (Bush Immigration Policy: No Illegal Alien Left Behind! (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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