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Continuing The Bigotry
Captain's Quarters Blog ^ | 06/10/07 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 06/10/2007 7:24:29 PM PDT by Reaganesque

Sally Denton uses today's Los Angeles Times op-ed page as a launching pad for the movie based on her book, "American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, September 1857," and as a means to propagate more anti-Mormon bigotry at the expense of Mitt Romney. Denton insists that Romney has to respond about the nature of his faith if he expects to win the nomination for the Presidency -- and uses a lot of 19th-century examples to "prove" her case:

MITT ROMNEY'S Mormonism threatens his presidential candidacy in the same way that John F. Kennedy's Catholicism did when he ran for president in 1960. Overt and covert references to Romney's religion — subtle whispering as well as unabashed inquiries about the controversial sect he belongs to — plague his campaign. None of his responses so far have silenced the skeptics.

Recent polls indicate that from 25% to 35% of registered voters have said they would not consider voting for a Mormon for president, and conventional wisdom from the pundits suggests that Romney's biggest hurdle is his faith. Everyone seems eager to make his Mormonism an issue, from blue state secularists to red state evangelicals who view the religion as a non-Christian cult.

All of which raises the question: Are we religious bigots if we refuse to vote for a believing Mormon? Or is it perfectly sensible and responsible to be suspicious of a candidate whose creed seems outside the mainstream or tinged with fanaticism?

Ironically, Romney is the only candidate in the race (from either party) who has expressed discomfort with the idea of religion infecting the national dialogue. While his GOP rivals have been pandering to the evangelical arm of the party, Romney actually committed himself (during the first Republican debate) to the inviolable separation of church and state.

First, Denton is hardly an unbiased pundit in this regard. She's flogging a book and a movie about an atrocity committed by Mormons 150 years ago. For Denton, 1857 is relevant to 2007, but for most Americans. The suggestion that Romney needs to answer for Brigham Young would be as silly as saying that Democrats have to answer for Stephen Douglas or that Lutherans today have to answer for the anti-Semitic rants of Martin Luther.

Denton first off would have people believe that all Mormons are "tinged with fanaticism," but does nothing to advance that case. She discusses the beginnings of their church in great detail, but her history lessons appear to end at 1857. In the only mentions of any connection to the present, she uses the HBO series Big Love and Warren Jeffs, neither of which has any connection to the modern Mormon church or to Romney's faith. Both the fictional account in Big Love and the unfortunately non-fiction and despicable Jeffs involve polygamist cults -- and in the TV series, are showed as in mortal opposition to the Mormons.

Denton includes this helpful instruction at the half-way point:

It's not a church's eccentric past that makes a candidate's religion relevant today, but its contemporary doctrines. (And it's worth noting that polygamy and blood atonement, among other practices, are no longer condoned by the official Mormon church hierarchy.)

So what contemporary doctrines does Romney need to explain? Denton never says. Instead, she spends her time writing about how Joseph Smith once declared his intention to run for President -- in 1844. She discusses how John C. Fremont's candidacy died on the rumor that he was Catholic -- in 1856. She mentions 1960, in which John Kennedy dealt with anti-Catholic bigotry, but only barely notes that he prevailed over it -- and that was almost 50 years ago.

Denton then frames the question that she feels Romney has to answer:

Do you, like the prophet you follow, believe in a theocratic nation state? All the rest is pyrotechnics.

Unfortunately for Denton, Romney has answered this question every time it gets asked. And somewhat incoherently, Denton appears to forget that she herself acknowledges this near the beginning of the column:

While his GOP rivals have been pandering to the evangelical arm of the party, Romney actually committed himself (during the first Republican debate) to the inviolable separation of church and state.

Romney has no need to enter into the field of religious apologetics in his campaign for the presidency, no more than does Harry Reid in order to run the Senate. He certainly has no guilt to expiate on behalf of a massacre committed almost a century before his birth, and for people like Warren Jeffs who do not have any connection to the Mormon church. In other words, Denton has taken up space at the LA Times to exercise her bigotry and to not-so-coincidentally sell a few books and movie tickets. She and the LA Times should be ashamed.

UPDATE: One commenter suggests that people opposed Keith Ellison on the basis of his religion. Er, not quite. We opposed him on the basis of his association with the notoriously anti-Semitic group Nation of Islam and its leader, Louis Farrakhan, and his association with CAIR, which has supported terrorist groups like Hamas. If Romney had spoken at Warren Jeffs' compound for political donations, then the analogy would be apt. Ellison's problem isn't his religion but the company he keeps, politically, a fact that he and his apologists like to wrap in a false cloak of religious antagonism.


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More left-wing "tolerance". And the truly sad thing is, there will be several people here at FR who whole heartedly agree. The amusing thing about this is, it's helping Mitt and not hurting him.

Here's a link to the LA Times article.

1 posted on 06/10/2007 7:24:31 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Austin1; bcbuster; beaversmom; bethtopaz; Bluestateredman; brivette; BullHalsey; ...
Mitt Ping!

• Send FReep Mail to Unmarked Package to get [ON] or [OFF] the Mitt Romney Ping List


2 posted on 06/10/2007 7:25:45 PM PDT by Reaganesque (Romney 2008)
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To: Reaganesque

Has Harry Reid’s Mormonism been made an issue yet? If not, maybe it should be.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 7:27:14 PM PDT by Defiant (This war would be over in one week if Harry Truman was CIC.)
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To: Reaganesque

He’s not an islamderthal headhunter and that’s good enough for me.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 7:27:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Reaganesque; greyfoxx39; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Enosh; Elsie; ...

Perhaps the title of this post could also have been.

A continuation of the leftist tactic of calling people who disagree with you bigots.


5 posted on 06/10/2007 7:30:34 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Reaganesque
Sally with a pal...


6 posted on 06/10/2007 7:30:59 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Reaganesque

How come leftists never blame the Democrats for slavery and secession? Hmm?


7 posted on 06/10/2007 7:32:52 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Reaganesque
I don't much like Mitt, but it's not one bit about his being Mormon -- the best state rep I've had yet is a Mormon (Toby Nixon), and if he runs in the next election cycle I am completely behind him, as I've been before.

Mitt's father was a good governor (Michigan), for all he was a bit liberal. His D successors have apparently since reduced the state to a hellhole.

8 posted on 06/10/2007 7:33:13 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Reaganesque

Okay, then Barack Obama should have to answer for the bigotry of Al Sharpton and Jesse “Himey-town” Jackson.


9 posted on 06/10/2007 7:33:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Bad spellers of the world untie!!)
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To: Reaganesque

...of course, a film about a Muslim massacre would be met with outrage - especially if everyone kept asking Barrack Obama about it...


10 posted on 06/10/2007 7:34:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Reaganesque

...of course, a film about a Muslim massacre would be met with outrage - especially if everyone kept asking Barrack Obama about it...


11 posted on 06/10/2007 7:34:34 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Reaganesque
All of which raises the question: Are we religious bigots if we refuse to vote for a believing Mormon?

Yes.

12 posted on 06/10/2007 7:35:29 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Reaganesque

I swear, every time I log onto FR, there is a Mormon/Romney thread going.

It boggles the mind.......


13 posted on 06/10/2007 7:36:03 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Reaganesque
"Kennedy's Catholicism"

Catholics are not Mormons. What a stupid defense, over and over...

14 posted on 06/10/2007 7:36:14 PM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: Reaganesque
I know very little about the Mormon church.

Does anyone know if Mormons have a problem with their members dating and/or marrying non-Mormons? I remember hearing something about this, but can't remember details. A little off topic, but can't hurt to ask.

15 posted on 06/10/2007 7:37:10 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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To: colorcountry

Is that the anti Mormon ping list?

LOL :)


16 posted on 06/10/2007 7:37:22 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: JRochelle

It’s the FIP (flying inman ping).

There is absolutely no name calling on the part of the righteous LDS don’tcha know....LOL.


17 posted on 06/10/2007 7:39:08 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Reaganesque

Here’s some information that made the rounds yesterday at the Utah Republican Convention, where Flip-flopping, liberal supporting, Mitt won over 80% of the straw-poll votes (nope there is no bigotry in Utah folks....move along)

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/03/youtube_wars_ro_1.html

Somehow, my vote for Duncan Hunter (along with about 200 votes) were never counted...interesting isn’t it?


18 posted on 06/10/2007 7:42:16 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: SIDENET

It’s not recommended but it is not forbidden either.


19 posted on 06/10/2007 7:42:35 PM PDT by Reaganesque (Romney 2008)
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To: SIDENET

Most churches and religions have a problem with marriage outside their religion.


20 posted on 06/10/2007 7:46:12 PM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt)
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To: colorcountry; Reaganesque

And we got the trouble makers out of temple square I would have endorsed him too if the Church was going to be safe from protestors like you!:)


21 posted on 06/10/2007 7:49:05 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

resty you don’t even live in Salt Lake. You’ve been to the LDS Temple in Salt Lake City how many times?

And btw, I have never protested at Temple Square. You are a liar.


22 posted on 06/10/2007 7:50:17 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Reaganesque

How is the fact of the Meadow Mountain Massacre “anti-Mormon bigotry? It’s a fact, and it has nothing to do with Romney.


23 posted on 06/10/2007 7:52:52 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JRochelle; Enosh; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; FastCoyote
Flying Inman alert ...

Oven Mitt supporters are trying to inoculate the public to shut up and ignore the heresies of Mormonism when the left raises them from oblique angles. Romney’s Mormonism beliefs are an Achilles heel. The political machine working to get him into the White House is using his religious affiliation to manipulate the public. They have several workers right here at FR doing their thang don’tchaknow.

24 posted on 06/10/2007 7:53:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: colorcountry

You deleived door to door many of those DVD’s on Easter Morning or was it General conference and promoted the contribe DNA movie made by x er and atheist!

What difference does it make if on TS or around!


25 posted on 06/10/2007 7:54:21 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Reaganesque

Hey don’t be so hard on Sally. A girl, and the LA Times have to make a living...


26 posted on 06/10/2007 7:54:46 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: ozzymandus
That's the point of the article. The author of the LA Times piece is holding Romney responsible for something that happened 150 years ago because he is the same religion of those who committed the massacre. That is the bigotry.
27 posted on 06/10/2007 7:56:27 PM PDT by Reaganesque (Romney 2008)
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To: TheDon

Got to support her girl friend wants!


28 posted on 06/10/2007 7:57:08 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Delivering DVD’s is not a protest. It was a gift. I was giving the message of Christ to my LDS neighbors.

Of course there are LDS people like you that call it “hate” and “bigotry” and “protest”. But on the other hand, you think it is YOUR right to knock on doors and give out books that say Christians are an abomination!

What’s good for the goose.....


29 posted on 06/10/2007 7:57:25 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: TheDon

It should be pointed out that Ms. Denton’s great, great grandmother was a Mormon who left the church so, Ms. Denton has a bit of an ax to grind.


30 posted on 06/10/2007 7:58:00 PM PDT by Reaganesque (Romney 2008)
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To: MHGinTN

One blogger who is trying to inoculate Romney is Hugh Hewitt.

He had a fit about a movie that is coming out, September Dawn.
He invited the star of the movie, Jon Voight, onto his radio show. He assumed he was a Mormon bigot.

Well he soon found out that he wasn’t, then he asked Voight who some of the consultants for the movie were.
He said there was concern about a woman named Sandra Tanner and whether or not she had been involved with the production of the movie. He used the word ‘concerned’. As if that would invalidate the movie.
That question was fed to him by a pro Romney shill.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 7:58:44 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Reaganesque

Well Obama’s a muslim, so what does that say about him?


32 posted on 06/10/2007 7:59:09 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: colorcountry

No I share a book that says The Lord had more to say to his people!


33 posted on 06/10/2007 8:00:01 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Reaganesque

Seems unlikely, I mean about the axe to grind. A great, great grandmother is quite removed from Ms. Sally.


34 posted on 06/10/2007 8:00:22 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: MHGinTN

To quote a great American general. “Nuts”.


35 posted on 06/10/2007 8:00:53 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Reaganesque

“The suggestion that Romney needs to answer for Brigham Young would be as silly”

Romney has no need to answer for Brigham YOung or the Massacre.

But why does the LDS church hold a man of that low character in such high regard? That is a question the church should explain... After all he did participate in a major coverup of mass murder.


36 posted on 06/10/2007 8:01:59 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: JRochelle

I know the way you feel about Mormons you would think ST was the cats meow!


37 posted on 06/10/2007 8:02:28 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Defiant

That’s what really toasts my butt.

Harry Reid has been a Senator for YEARS and no one has made a big deal about his religion.

I don’t care which flavor they choose - as long as they choose.


38 posted on 06/10/2007 8:02:51 PM PDT by agent_delta
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To: JRochelle

who are you talking about?


39 posted on 06/10/2007 8:03:25 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

I have no idea what ST is.


40 posted on 06/10/2007 8:04:34 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: restornu

Brigham Young.


41 posted on 06/10/2007 8:05:27 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: JRochelle

You mention the her!


42 posted on 06/10/2007 8:05:29 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Reaganesque

The LDS church is mainly a support group for middle class people trying to raise children. Granted Mormon theology is indistinguishable from what most people call science fiction, the good news is that most people including most Mormons don’t really give a rat’s a** about theology.


43 posted on 06/10/2007 8:06:56 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Reaganesque

How come we haven’t heard about the faiths of the other candidates. I don’t even know or care where they go to church.


44 posted on 06/10/2007 8:08:27 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: JRochelle; colorcountry

Now that is wrong BY is not responsible for the Massacre it was John Lee & friends if you going to hold anyone responsible why not hold CC responsible she is a blood relative


45 posted on 06/10/2007 8:08:46 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Reaganesque

Off topic here. I just saw Twisted Sister’s old video “I wanna rock” and that evil teacher in the beginning looks a lot like Romney. ROFL


46 posted on 06/10/2007 8:08:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: rickdylan

That is news to me!


47 posted on 06/10/2007 8:10:16 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

That’s right! John D. Lee and his family have been bearing the blame for 150 years, no reason to stop now, is there resty?


48 posted on 06/10/2007 8:11:38 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: restornu

You should reread what I wrote. I did not blame him for the massacre.


49 posted on 06/10/2007 8:12:48 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Reaganesque
"and uses a lot of 19th-century examples to "prove" her case:

MITT ROMNEY'S Mormonism threatens his presidential candidacy in the same way that John F. Kennedy's Catholicism did when he ran for president in 1960."


She may have a point there (somewhere). Of course Mitt is at an obvious disadvantage in her analogy because he doesn't have a rich daddy with mob ties to buy the presidency for him...
50 posted on 06/10/2007 8:12:50 PM PDT by rockrr (09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0)
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