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Another View of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest
The New Media Journal ^ | August 11, 2007 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 08/12/2007 11:13:36 AM PDT by CutePuppy

Another View of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest

USA Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

August 11, 2007 URL:

http://www.newmediajournal.us/guest/c_johnson/08112007.htm

Is the history of our great nation important to you?

Union Gen. William T. Sherman said of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, "After all, I think Forrest as the most remarkable man our "Civil War" produced on either side." This came from a man who was once a foe of Forrest on the field of battle.

Why do some folks attack America's heritage?

Several years ago attempts were made to change the name of Forrest Park in Memphis, Tennessee. Now, there are people who try to change the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High school in Jacksonville, Florida.

Was Gen. Forrest an early advocate for Civil Rights?

Forrest's speech during a meeting of the "Jubilee of Pole Bearers" is a story that needs to be told. Gen. Forrest was the first white man to be invited by this group which was a forerunner of today's Civil Right's group. A reporter of the Memphis Avalanche newspaper was sent to cover the event that included a Southern barbeque supper.

Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of a Pole Bearer member, was introduced to Forrest and she presented the former general a bouquet of flowers as a token of reconciliation, peace and good will. On July 5, 1875, Nathan Bedford Forrest delivered this speech:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.)

"I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none. (Applause.)

"I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office.

"I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment.

"Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand."

Nathan Bedford Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis.

Involve your family in study sessions to seek the truth about this nation's history and ask your local government officials not to change the name of streets and schools named for our American ancestors.

Calvin E. Johnson, Jr. is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and author of the book, "When America Stood for God, Family and Country."

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The New Media Journal.us © 2007


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: butcher; civilwar; cult; dixie; killer; kkk; nathanbedford; nathanbedfordforrest; nbforrest; racist; traitor

1 posted on 08/12/2007 11:13:38 AM PDT by CutePuppy
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie Ping!


3 posted on 08/12/2007 11:15:42 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: nathanbedford; StoneWall Brigade; stainlessbanner

“Thought you might be interested in the subject” ping.


4 posted on 08/12/2007 11:15:58 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
Gee, the guy that Black Flagged Ft. Pillow and started the KKK was a real nice guy after all?
5 posted on 08/12/2007 12:34:26 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Bringbackthedraft
"Gee, the guy that Black Flagged Ft. Pillow and started the KKK"

Apparently you need a history lesson.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

"Forrest is also one of the war's most controversial figures. Although he was accused of war crimes at the Battle of Fort Pillow for having led Confederate soldiers in an alleged massacre of unarmed black Union troops, the accusation was later completely rejected by a 1871 United States Congressional investigation."

"After the war he was alleged to have participated in the founding of the Ku Klux Klan. Despite rumors that he was the first Grand Wizard of the Klan, the Congressional investigation of the Klan in 1871, which included several former Confederate generals, undertaken by Radical Republicans concluded that Forrest did not found the Klan, was not its leader, did not participate in its activities and worked to have it disbanded.

6 posted on 08/12/2007 10:38:55 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: CutePuppy

A goverment that fears arms in the hands of it people should also fear ROPE!
- Nathan Bedford Forrest about 1845


7 posted on 08/12/2007 10:40:42 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"A goverment that fears arms in the hands of it people should also fear ROPE!

A timeless statement from a man that didn't mince words!

8 posted on 08/12/2007 10:54:21 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: Rabble

wikipedia isn’t the most reliable. Anyone can add or delete material there.

Most sites list him as one of the original organizers of the KKK and its grand wizard.

So, what about Nathan Bedford Forrest? One historian labeled him, “the clear, unfettered genius of the Civil War.” Others see him as a racist monster, responsible for the massacre of blacks at Fort Pillow on April 30, 1864. Never asking his soldiers to go where he wouldn’t himself, he had 29 horses shot out from under him. He entered the Confederate forces a private and left it a general. On the other hand, he helped start the organization known as the KKK and served as its head from 1867-1869.

http://www.blueshoenashville.com/history.html


9 posted on 08/12/2007 11:09:04 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: Netizen
Two congressional investigations and rulings from a reconstruction congress -- sounds to me like a fair judgment based on all the facts presented.

Got any evidence to the contrary?

10 posted on 08/12/2007 11:18:29 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: Rabble
He sure seemed to know a lot about their doings........

On August 28, 1868, in the Cincinnati Commercial, Lt General Forrest was interviewed to get his “…views in regard to the condition of your civil and political affairs in the State of Tennessee, and the South generally…” The following back and forth is between the reporter and Forrest. The reporter begins asking about the Klan.

“Why, General, we people up north have regarded the Ku-Klux as an organization which existed only in the frightened imagination of a few politicians”

“Well, sir, there is such an organization, not only in Tennessee, but all over the South, and its numbers have not been exaggerated.”

“What are its numbers, general?”

“In Tennessee there are over 40,000; in all the Southern states they number about 550,000 men.”

“What is the character of the organization; May I inquire?”

“Yes, sir. It is a protective political military organization. I am willing to show any man the constitution of the society. The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States. It does not say anything at all about the government of Tennessee. Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic; but after it became general it was found that political matters and interests could best be promoted within it, and it was then made a political organization, giving its support, of course, to the Democratic party.”

“Do you think, general, that the Ku-Klux have been of any benefit to the State?”

“No doubt of it. Since its organization, the leagues have quit killing and murdering our people. There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negroes, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people.”

“Do you think, General, that the Ku-Klux have been of any benefit to the State?”

“No doubt of it. Since its organization, the leagues have quit killing and murdering our people. There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negroes, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people.”

“Are you a member of the Ku-Klux, general?”

“I am not, but am in sympathy and will co-operate with them. I know that they are charged with many crimes that they are not guilty of. A case in point is the killing of Bierfield at Franklin, a few days ago. I sent a man up there especially to investigate the case, and report to me, and I have his letter here now, in which he states that they had nothing to do with it as an organization.”

“Then I suppose that there can be no doubt of a conflict if the militia interfere with the people; is that your view?”

“Yes, sir; if they attempt to carry out Governor Brownlow’s proclamation, by shooting down Ku-Klux - for he calls all Southern men Ku-Klux - if they go to hunting down and shooting these men, there will be war, and a bloodier one than we have ever witnessed. I have told these radicals here what they might expect in such an event. I have no power to burn or kill negroes. I intend to kill the radicals. I have told them this and more, there is not a radical leader in this town but is a marked man, and if a trouble should break out, none of them would be left alive. I have told them that they are trying to create a disturbance and then slip out and leave the consequences to fall upon the negroes, but they can’t do it. When the fight comes not one of them would get out of this town asaying it was “being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace”live. We don’t intend they shall ever get out of the country. But I want it distinctly understood that I am opposed to any war, and will only fight in self-defence.”

The Klan’s increasing reputation for violence led the more prominent citizens to drop out while criminals and the dispossessed began to fill the ranks. Local chapters proved difficult, if not impossible, to monitor and direct. In disgust in January 1869, Forrest officially disbanded the organization saying it was “being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace” and the vast majority of local groups followed his lead. a small number of local units continued to operate but were eventually disbanded or sent into hiding by federal troops.

The reporter should have asked him if he had ever belonged to the kkk. One wonders how he could disband a group that he never belonged to. hmmmmm

11 posted on 08/13/2007 12:09:08 AM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; Texas Mulerider; Oorang; freedomfiter2; SWEETSUNNYSOUTH; BnBlFlag; ...

NBF Dixie Ping


12 posted on 08/13/2007 7:48:58 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

An interesting anecdote about the colorful general.

Regarding some of the comments, I don’t understand why we can’t accept that any historical figure (heck, any living person!) does some things that are good and some that are bad; that most people have both gifts and weaknesses, successes and failures.


13 posted on 08/13/2007 7:54:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Norway delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; All
"Gee, the guy that Black Flagged Ft Pillow" ====> PARDON ME, but your IGNORANCE of THE TRUTH about Ft Pillow is showing.

there was NO massacre. period. end of story. further, the REVISIONISTS who tell that pack of LIES, know that they are lying.

frankly, that accusation was a KNOWING,PREMEDITATED pack of LIES, promulgated by a bunch of radical REVISIONIST,south-HATING, arrogant,LEFTIST, DAMNyankee, bigots out of the northeastern, "poison ivy league screwls".

furthermore,the "pack of lies" it DENIGRATES the BRAVE & LOYAL service of the Black Union soldiers, who "fought to the last breath" for their side.

next, when GEN Forrest was in the KKK (briefly) it was to be a GUERRILLA FORCE to fight the DYs, who were in the south;land after the WBTS. there was NO "racial component" to the organization at THAT time. when the General discovered that the RACISTS had taken over the group, the General VERY PUBLICALLY left it.

free dixie,sw

14 posted on 08/13/2007 9:21:59 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Tax-chick; All
simple. because "modern academia" is FILLED with liars, fools, nitwits, REVISIONISTS, "useful idiots", socialists (some are actually marxist/leninist/stalinists) & south-HATING bigots.

that's why.

free dixie,sw

15 posted on 08/13/2007 9:27:16 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Tax-chick; All
it's just like the HATERS/LIARS/BIGOTS who endlessly carp & moan about the "war crimes committed at Andersonville".

the U S POW Center (at Andersonville) investigated every available/possible accusation (over a 10-year investigation) of INTENTIONAL abuse/torture/murder/other war crimes & could NOT find CREDABLE evidence of even ONE such incident.

there was MUCH sickness/hunger/disease & many deaths, but NO cases of INTENTIONAL abuse of POWs there. period.end of story.

otoh, the DYs ran DEATH CAMPS at Point Lookout, MD, Elmira, NY, Camp Douglas, IL & at some other places.

the INTENT of which was TORTURE,denial of medical care, INTENTIONAL starvation, "exposure of their natural persons to cold of winter & heat of summer, without suitable shelter" & (in all too many cases) OUTRIGHT cold-bloodied MURDER.

fwiw, a serving Prussian MAJ of The 4th King's Hussars, who visited Point Lookout, MD, was the first (known) person to use the term = Concentration Camp to describe the facility. MAJ Achs said, in his report to the commanding general, that "if the present war continues much longer, i expect NONE of those UNFORTUNATES to survive".

free dixie,sw

16 posted on 08/13/2007 9:42:13 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“Gee, the guy that Black Flagged Ft. Pillow and started the KKK was a real nice guy after all?”

He must have been or my ancestors wouldn’t have served under him. :)


17 posted on 08/13/2007 9:55:52 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: CutePuppy

I’ll repeat an opinion I’ve offered several times on this forum: Slavery would have ended within a generation without the Civil War and civil rights were set back, not advanced, by Northern interference labeled “reconstruction”.

This from an Nth generation Yankee.


18 posted on 08/13/2007 10:01:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Rabble

Thank you, thank you, thank you.


19 posted on 08/13/2007 10:03:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: stand watie

Add Columbus, Ohio to your list of death camps. The cemetary still exists.


20 posted on 08/13/2007 10:34:34 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: stand watie

Thanks, good information.

Of General Forrest, I think we can say that he tried hard to do what he thought was right. If he sometimes failed to do so ... so do we all. If he was sometimes wrong about what was right ... so are we all.


21 posted on 08/13/2007 12:13:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Norway delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

NBF - Probably the best fighting General in American History!


22 posted on 08/13/2007 1:03:50 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Old Mountain man
i didn't know of that one.

fyi, 4 of the 5 members of MY family, who were UNfortunate enough to be "guests of the DAMNyankees" at PLPOWC, were MURDERED on their 1st day of "confinement" because they were "other than white persons".

free dixie,sw

23 posted on 08/13/2007 2:08:29 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Tax-chick
WELL-said!

free dixie HUGS,sw

24 posted on 08/13/2007 2:09:17 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
my GUESS (based on a great deal of reading) is that slavery would have died a natural/UNlamented death within a decade or LESS.

inasmuch as a LARGE percentage of the MILLION Americans KILLED during the war were "persons other than white" (the DY army "freed" many slaves from being ALIVE!), this seems a REALLY high price to pay for 5-10 years of "freedom" for the remaining slaves.

otoh, the war from the dixie view was about FREEDOM;from the unionist side it was about $$$$$$$$ & keeping the south PERMANENTLY subservient to northern commercial/financial/manufacturing/railroad interests.

free dixie,sw

25 posted on 08/13/2007 2:19:22 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stainlessbanner

Thank God for Forrest bump.


26 posted on 08/13/2007 2:41:03 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: stand watie

I think the prime motivation for start of the Civil War was the abolition of slavery on the Northern side, not wanting to be pushed around on the Southern side.

Once the fuse was lit, neither side was capable of backing down. Yes, the Civil War did far more harm than good; the freedom (from the most benign form of slavery in human history) for some was purchased a huge price in blood and treasure. And the effect of reconstruction was to harden attitudes and incite racial animosity.


27 posted on 08/13/2007 2:54:09 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Interesting thought, which I have never encountered or considered before.

Some times require preventive actions to save many people or even mankind from death, ruin and madness (like 1930’s), some may require just the opposite - patience and pressure - to accomplish the same. It’s wise people who can see the distinction and make the right decisions.

Thanks for very interesting discussion and lots of historical facts on this thread.


28 posted on 08/13/2007 2:54:23 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; stainlessbanner; Pelham
folks who care should read the memoirs out now from Forrest’s staff and escort compiled by a professor here in Tennessee at Tullahoma.

I never knew Forrest had many blacks serve under him and not all were supply or quartermaster corps.

he offered pay and emancipation to his own slaves who agreed to serve under him

his reputation as a Simon Legree is utterly false.

I’ll be glad to debate Ft Pillow with any Neo-Abolitionists here too if they would like and we can do it strictly with Federal accounts

29 posted on 08/13/2007 3:22:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (My randy adult male doberman has more sexual morals than your ex-president you miss so much.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
SORRY, but FEW people north OR south cared a damn about "the plight of the slaves" in 1861. period. end of story.

furthermore, lincoln, the TYRANT, said "in his own hand" that he would assure passage of a Constitutional Amendment to "preserve slavery where it now exists forever".

the FACT is that they SHOULD have cared, but the free persons (of ANY race) mostly did NOT!

after it seemed that the voters were about to toss lincoln out in '64 and/or GB & France were about to recognize the CSA,then & ONLY then did the needLESS war become a "crusade against slavery". otoh, the north did NOT plan to free their slaves, but rather only those in dixie. it's called HYPOCRASY!!!

free dixie,sw

30 posted on 08/13/2007 6:03:05 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Netizen
"In disgust in January 1869, Forrest officially disbanded the organization saying it was “being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace” and the vast majority of local groups followed his lead."

Who made this statement or who's opinion is it? I suppose that whoever it was had evidence or firsthand knowledge as to what they were saying. How about a link?

The quote above is certainly NOT proof that he was a member of the KKK. And if he actually made the statement the radical reconstruction congressional investigation in 1871 could not have found as they did, with Forrest's exoneration.

"The reporter should have asked him if he had ever belonged to the kkk."

Actually he did and is in the body of your post. According to the interview he stated “I am not, but am in sympathy and will co-operate with them."

31 posted on 08/13/2007 6:26:09 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I think you are right. And slavery ended peacefully everywhere in the west except Haiti and the U.S.


32 posted on 08/13/2007 6:26:48 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: Netizen
CORRECTION - The paragraph as stated by me:

"The quote above is certainly NOT proof that he was a member of the KKK. And if he actually made the statement the radical reconstruction congressional investigation in 1871 could not have found as they did, with Forrest's exoneration."

Should have read: The quote above is certainly NOT proof that he was a member of the KKK. And if Forrest actually made the quoted statement in context as to why he disbanded the KKK the radical reconstruction congressional investigation in 1871 could not have found as they did, with Forrest's exoneration, as the interview, according to you occurred in August, 1868."

33 posted on 08/13/2007 6:49:53 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

not a bad post....these days..

thanks


34 posted on 08/13/2007 7:12:00 PM PDT by wardaddy (My randy adult male doberman has more sexual morals than your ex-president you miss so much.)
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To: stand watie
Lincoln was clearly personally opposed to slavery, read the Lincoln-Douglas debate. He may not have met the modern standard for racial fawning, but he was most certainly opposed to slavery. He was born in Kentucky and was familiar from his youth with the particular institution.

Recall the Dred Scott decision in which Judge Tannery in his concurrence offered the ex judicio opinion that the government of the Northern states had no right to prohibit slavery and invited a challenge by a prospective Northern slave owner. This galvanized the Northern electorate into voting in the candidate of the heretofore obscure antislavery Republican party.

Dred Scott, Bleeding Kansas, Harper’s Ferry and the election of Lincoln were the long fuse that set off a most avoidable and unnecessary war.

Even with it all, perhaps, perhaps, if that hothead Edmund Ruffin had not fired the first shot on Fort Sumter on his own initiative, the War might have been avoided.

Most of the problems that are with us today, trace to some extent, to the Civil War.

35 posted on 08/13/2007 7:40:11 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
if that hothead Edmund Ruffin had not fired the first shot on Fort Sumter on his own initiative,

Sorry, but it was not on Ruffin's own accord. Jefferson Davis after learning of Lincoln's sending reinforcements gave the order to P.G. T. Beauregard:

If you have no doubt as to the authorized character of the agent who communicated to you the intention of the Washington government to supply Fort Sumpter by force, you will at once demand it's evacuation, and if this is refused, proceed in such manner as you may determine to reduce it.

Beauregard offered the first shot to Roger Pryor but Pryor declined the offer. Edmund Ruffin accepted when he was given the same offer.
36 posted on 08/14/2007 4:13:10 AM PDT by smug (Free Ramos and Compean:)
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To: stand watie

They constructed the buildings from green lumber during the summer. The lumber shrank during the winter and thousands died of exposure during the severe Ohio winter.


37 posted on 08/14/2007 6:50:47 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: CutePuppy

Nice. But it would help if the guy knew how to spell barbecue.


38 posted on 08/14/2007 6:57:47 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Old Mountain man
one wonders if this act was intentional or merely STUPID. (stupidity is usually not punishable by courts martial.)

otoh, the criminal acts of the "filth in blue uniforms" at PLPOWC, Hellmira & Camp Douglas (the 3 MAIN DEATH CAMPS)were INTENTIONAL, premeditated, war crimes.

rape, sexual assaults, torture, denial of medical attention, denial of sufficient food, denial of shelter & coldblooded MURDER were COMMONPLACE.

a letter order from a union officer at PLPOWC states that any guard shooting or bayoneting a prisoner "without cause shall be fined the sum of ONE DOLLAR"!!! (emphasis MINE)

free dixie,sw

39 posted on 08/14/2007 9:29:13 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
IF what YOU SAY IS true (rather than more lincoln MYTH), WHY did lincoln state that he would personally ASSURE amending the Constitution to protect slavery FOREVER???

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 08/14/2007 9:32:05 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
not only was lincoln a stone racist but also he HATED/FEARED "persons of colour", Quakers,Jews,Latinos, Asians & "muddy coloured people", i.e. "mixed race" people (like ME for example).

furthermore, a personal letter from lincoln to a MA politician stated that after the war was over that ALL the Blacks were to be deported back to Africa BUT that "the red savages, who are creatures without souls, must be EXTERMINATED to the last one" (emphasis MINE).

lincoln was anything BUT a decent person.

free dixie,sw

41 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:16 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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42 posted on 08/14/2007 2:33:26 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: stand watie
furthermore, a personal letter from lincoln to a MA politician stated that after the war was over that ALL the Blacks were to be deported back to Africa BUT that "the red savages, who are creatures without souls, must be EXTERMINATED to the last one" (emphasis MINE).

Still making this crap up as you go along, huh?

43 posted on 08/14/2007 2:34:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Pelham
I think you are right. And slavery ended peacefully everywhere in the west except Haiti and the U.S.

Because the slaves in Haiti launched a rebellion to end slavery. And the slave owners in the U.S. launched a rebellion to protect slavery.

44 posted on 08/14/2007 2:36:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: stand watie

Yes, the damnyankees perfected the art of cruelty and murder.


45 posted on 08/24/2007 10:34:36 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: CutePuppy
Forrest's speech during a meeting of the "Jubilee of Pole Bearers" is a story that needs to be told. Gen. Forrest was the first white man to be invited by this group which was a forerunner of today's Civil Right's group.

The only traces I can find today of the "Jubilee of Pole Bearers" are references to Forrest's speech. It may have been more of a social or fraternal organization, rather than a political group.

Forrest died of complications of diabetes in 1877. Maybe he was already ailing when he addressed the group. He'd gone bankrupt some years earlier when his railroad failed.

So perhaps Nathan Bedford Forrest was trying to get right with God. He may have felt guilty about something: "Men have come to me to ask for quarter, both black and white, and I have shielded them."

That adds something to our understanding of the man. But if Forrest helped create the conditions where White Southern politicians couldn't talk like this publicly to a Black organization for a century, that also shouldn't be ignored.

46 posted on 09/10/2007 1:42:54 PM PDT by x
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To: wardaddy

I made a note to myself to come back in a couple of months to see if anyone had taken you up on your offer.


47 posted on 10/12/2007 12:59:43 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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