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Never-before-revealed images from a Haditha surveillance video [Part one: The ambush site]
Defend Our Marines ^ | September 15, 2007 | Nathaniel R. Helms

Posted on 09/16/2007 4:13:36 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: RedRover

I will not rest until this idiot is drummed out of office.


21 posted on 09/16/2007 9:13:01 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: lilycicero

I haven’t had time to really look and see one thing, and that’s if they’re all laid out in the same direction, NSEW.

Aside from that, I think they should be used in a colonscopy for murtha.


22 posted on 09/16/2007 9:15:55 AM PDT by freema
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To: pissant; RedRover
Wasn’t someone saying they shot these guys at point blank range?

That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I saw that frame. I had been under the impression from all previous accounts they were practically next to each other. It explains to me very clearly why SSgt. Wuterich opened fire, he was absolutely right in doing so, IMO.

23 posted on 09/16/2007 9:31:49 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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24 posted on 09/16/2007 9:33:07 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you Jaz!


25 posted on 09/16/2007 9:33:51 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: RedRover
Incredible that NCIS & JAG didn’t have or weren’t given access to the Scan Eagle video.

Why would they even think of starting this charade much less continuing with it ?

They couldn’t be this stupid.
Me thinks that somebody higher up forced this on them.

26 posted on 09/16/2007 9:49:31 AM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: jazusamo
I had been under the impression from all previous accounts they were practically next to each other.

That was the impression I had as well. Now I am sitting here scratching my head (again). Some execution. I am even more disgusted--if that were even possible.

27 posted on 09/16/2007 12:30:29 PM PDT by Shelayne (NO running or relenting until the problem has been dealt with-decisively,systematically,permanently.)
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To: pissant; RedRover; brityank; usmcobra
Am I looking at this right? It appears these are the three remaining vehicles (objects with red bars underneath) in the convoy and their relative location to the taxi.


Closest vehicle to taxi


Other 2 vehicles in convoy farther east


Now depending on who's vehicle stopped where, would indicate who was closest to the taxi. Do you guys see the same thing?
28 posted on 09/16/2007 1:26:50 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Wuterich is closest to the taxi


29 posted on 09/16/2007 1:38:50 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra

Then did Wuterich (vehicle 3) pass Salinas (vehicle 1) and Dela Cruz (vehicle 2) after the IED went off? Here are Frank’s words....
“ Vehicle dispersion was normal- 30-40 m as per BN SOP. “...
...”I decided to cross the two lane road and drive on the left side of the median.”
..”I made my way back to the other side of Chestnut and stopped my HMMWV. “
...”I heard yelling mostly from the west where Cpl De La Cruz was shouting in broken Arabic and using expletives to the military aged males who occupied the white car.”

That last statement would put Dela Cruz closer to the taxi (from the west). Maybe it doesn’t matter, but I’m just curious why Wuterich was charged if both Dela Cruz and Salinas were also shooting? Also if Salinsa or Dela Cruz’s vehicles were closer to the taxi, again, why was Wuterich charged with their deaths? All three may have shot and killed Iraqis from the taxi. It appears all three had the same take that the taxi was dangerous to their convoy. But if the other two were closer, why charge Wuterich?


30 posted on 09/16/2007 1:52:53 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

“Then did Wuterich (vehicle 3) pass Salinas (vehicle 1) and Dela Cruz (vehicle 2) after the IED went off? Here are Frank’s words....”

Good catch - it looks like someone marked up the photo wrong.

If the bodies are in the position that they fell, how could Wuterich have dropped to one knee and shot them with the car between them and the HV’s ?

BTW, when the video’s were taken, just where are the Marines and Kallop’s transportation ?


31 posted on 09/16/2007 2:41:14 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: RS
BTW, when the video’s were taken, just where are the Marines and Kallop’s transportation ?

I'm assuming they hadn't arrived yet or they aren't pointed out in the screen captures. It's hard to tell what's what exactly without a closeup and highlight markings. They may actually be there.
32 posted on 09/16/2007 2:54:11 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
As a minor point of interest, I overlaid (somewhat clumsily) the first published map from the Washington Post on top of Cobra's Google Earth map just to see how the placement of the convoy compared...

You can see how the Post misled readers by showing the Humvees directly alongside the white car.

Also, Cobra puts the IED blast further east (indicated by the big yellow dot on the road).

You haven't asked about houses 3 and 4 yet, but there are just off Cobra's map--indicated by the second yellow dot at the upper left.

33 posted on 09/16/2007 4:14:15 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Any explanation for Wuterich marking what appears to be the correct positions of the blast and the taxi on the map during the 60 minutes interview, but marking two different houses for the 1 & 2 ?


34 posted on 09/16/2007 4:22:10 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: RedRover; usmcobra

That’s a good overlay. Yes, I think usmcobra’s placement of the IED site is pretty good. Maybe just a tad west, almost directly north over house 1 and 2. This in my mind, indicates folks in those two houses had some knowledge of placement of the IED when it was planted. It doesn’t appear there was anything obstructing their view if it was planted during daytime hours. Plus the fact that it was asphalted over to blend in with the road would have taken a little more effort and machinery possibly.


35 posted on 09/16/2007 4:47:49 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; jazusamo
Just got an e-mail from Nat who'd been fishing all day...

The giant fish picture is my wife with the prehistoric monster she pulled out of the water after a vigorous fight that almost capsized our boat.

The picture is at the link.

36 posted on 09/16/2007 5:28:25 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Whoa.....you need 40 loaves to go with that.


37 posted on 09/16/2007 5:38:07 PM PDT by lilycicero (WWJD?)
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To: RedRover

I’m not laughing, it’s bigger than some I’ve caught. :)


38 posted on 09/16/2007 5:41:49 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; freema
My eyes are shot, started work at 6AM, three ten minute breaks and one hour for lunch, worked for 12 hours straight. I am shot.
Tell me what the conclusion of all the pictures and feedback indicate when you have a few minutes..... thanks.
39 posted on 09/16/2007 6:13:59 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: RedRover

That’s some good bait! I know, I’ve caught plenty. At least she still had her original bait.


40 posted on 09/16/2007 6:25:13 PM PDT by Girlene
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