Islam and Freemasonry

Freemasons-freemasonry.com ^ | 29-07-2006 | Bro. Shaikh Hatim Fidahussein Nakhoda PM

[VxH]

[I suppose perhaps]

Which side believes, in their heart, that they are right?

Is there a lodge in Kurdistan?

[a_Turk]

>> Which side believes, in their heart, that they are right?

This is not the topic of this thread. Why not post a suitable article and ping me.

To answer your question here: those who bomb grade schools, execute school teachers, bomb department stores, and commit all sorts of other terror attacks may induce themselves to think they are good - but deep inside their evil quietly nags them.

Anyway - you seem smart enough to blur the lines between Kurds and the PKK - but you know it’s wrong to do so and that you are being a bad VxH for it. Don’t allow foreign entanglments play you like a hand puppet. They’ll always leave you high and dry in the end.

[VxH]

[Anyway - you seem smart enough to blur the lines between Kurds and the PKK - but you know it’s wrong to do so and that you are being a bad VxH for it. ]

"One Man's Terrorist Is Another Man's Freedom Fighter" -  It's an appropriate illustration of the subjective nature of "good".

 

Witness Nazi Germany, where an entire nation believed in the "good" of implementing the master race concept.

Witness California SB 777

 

 

Back on topic... can one be a "good" Muslim and not desire sharia law?

 

Tyranny of the majority.

[a_Turk]

blah

[VxH]

[those who bomb grade schools, execute school teachers, bomb department stores, and commit all sorts of other terror attacks ]

 

I wasn't aware that the PKK had engaged in this kind of activity.  Can you document your allegations?

Isn't the PKK a Marxist Communist organization?

 

 

[blah]

 

What about the potential combination of Marxism and Sharia law do you find "blah"?   I'd expect proponents of communism would find Sharia-Marxism quite exciting.

 

If the majority of residents in Kurdistan subscribed to this ideology, would that make it "good"?

[sono]

So George Washington is now Muslim?

[a_Turk]

>> I wasn’t aware that the PKK had engaged in this kind of activity.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1iG7chiTGM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968848/posts

Search google for “forgotten fotographs pkk”

>> I’d expect proponents of communism would find Sharia-Marxism quite exciting.

That wouldn’t be me.

[Tribune7]

Does Turkish incursion into Iraq make the Kurds sad?

The problem is more the Kurdish incursions into Turkey.

[VxH]

[The problem is more the Kurdish incursions into Turkey.]

Maybe everyone involved would do well to ignore Henry Kissinger and show respect for national sovereignty.

The PKK should be dealt with via the authority of the Iraqi government.

 

[Tribune7]

The PKK should be dealt with via the authority of the Iraqi government.

Suppose it were Mexicans crossing our border to commit acts of terrorism?

[VxH]

[Suppose it were Mexicans crossing our border to commit acts of terrorism?]

Should the U.S.A. send troops into Mexico without the cooperation or support of the Mexican government?

Has Turkey attempted to enlist the cooperation and support of the Iraqi government?

[Tribune7]

Should the U.S.A. send troops into Mexico without the cooperation or support of the Mexican government?

If Mexico was unwilling to cooperate, yes, absolutely.

W/regard to Turkey and Iraq, it does not appear that they have sent troops over the border in a significant manner, if at all. As I understand it, they are merely threatening/preparing to do so.

Hopefully, we (and the Iraqi governement) are cooperating with Turkey w/regard to the PKK.

The PKK are the bad guys. Turkey is the good guy.

[VxH]

[If Mexico was unwilling to cooperate, yes, absolutely.]

 

Leads to an interesting question:  should states be held accountable for the actions of their citizens?

 

Seems to me that Mexico should be held accountable for the illegal immigration of its citizens.

 

Likewise, Iraq should be held accountable for the illegal actions of its citizens, who happen to be members of the PKK.  I also wonder if the PKK Marxists aren't also a threat to the commercial activities now underway in Iraqi Kurdistan.  

 

[Turkey is the good guy.]

 

Turkey has never wanted an independent Kurdistan.  They should stay the hell out of Iraq and work with the governments of Iraq and the US to resolve the  situation.

 

 

[a_Turk]

The U.S. military commander in northern Iraq said yesterday he plans to do "absolutely nothing" to counter Kurdish rebels who are staging deadly cross-border attacks into neighboring Turkey.

It's heads on pikes.

[Cvengr]

ping

[Quix]

THANKS.

I think the doc has merit.

But I get sooooo weary of the Masons thing. And, it kind of feels like poking a stick at the decaying carcass of a skunk.

If there’s a particular post or part you’d like me to respond to, please say so. Otherwise, I’ll probably leave decaying skunks alone for my own comfort.

[VxH]

Dealing with the PKK is not the responsibility of the U.S. military. Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. military is not the world's police force.

Iraq is a sovereign nation.

If there are criminals in Iraq then it’s the responsibility of the Iraqi police and legal system to deal with them.

The Turks should be working with the Government of Iraq to resolve the situation.

[a_Turk]

>>The Turks should be working with the Government of Iraq to resolve the situation.

Agreed. And so they have for the past three years. Read here and here.

[VxH]

The apparently irreconcilable nature of the conflict between the Turks and the Kurds castes a rather doubtful shadow on your statement:

Rather ask, how will we know if something is good? The answer is found in the innermost recesses of the heart, and only by those who are pure at heart. One can ascertain whether one is pure at heart by observing whether ones actions increase others hardships and make others sad or not - deep inside all will know the truth about that.

 

The Kurds are right, and they know it.   The Turks are right, and they also know it.

Not quite blackwhite.

[a_Turk]

Lumping all Kurds together is a fallacy. That's where you get confused. Did you check out that utube clip? Those Kurds of the PKK are not right for killing kids. Deep inside their heart of hearts they know. But the regular Kurd is just fine. No different than you and me. They are my brothers and sisters and I would go all the way to hell and back for them.


A Turkish soldier in a tank jokes with schoolboys during the Republic Day celebrations in Yuksekova, in the Hakkari province, near the Turkish-Iraqi-Iranian border, southeastern Turkey, Monday, Oct. 29, 2007. Turkish troops trapped a group of about 100 separatist Kurdish rebels in a rugged region close to Turkey's border with Iraq, after blocking all escape routes across the frontier, Turkey's state-run news agency reported Monday. (AP Photo/Ibrahim Usta)