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Jose Medellin and International Law
BlogsForBush ^ | October 10th, 2007 | Mark Noonan

Posted on 10/10/2007 6:25:15 PM PDT by shield

Rick G over at Lone Star Times provides a relentlessly honest look at the case of rapist/murderer/illegal immigrant Jose Medellin and the Bush Administrations concerns vis a vis the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. I highly recommend reading the whole thing if you want to be fully informed on this increasingly contentious case. At issue is whether or not Medellin - a man undoubtedly guilty of a horrible crime - shold have his case reconsidered because the Texas authorities did not provide access for Medellin to the Mexican consulate prior to his trial and conviction.

Texas is holding that since Medellin did not bring this up at trial he de-facto waived his rights - which are unquestioned under the Convention: people arrested in foreign lands have a right to consular access and it is incumbant upon the State authorities to notify the consulate in question when a national of that consulate is arrested.

To listen to my fellow conservatives, President Bush has essentially sold us down the river to the UN and the ICC over this issue. Somehow or another, a rather arcane legal case has been translated by some into a case where UN/ICC law will now trump US law unless Medellin is executed without review under the provisions of the Convention. Over in the real world, all that President Bush has done, as noted in Lone Star Times, is observe that the Convention does call for consular access. Additionally, President Bush has asked the courts of Texas to review the case - not to overturn it, but to ensure that the failure to provide consular access didn't alter the outcome of the trial (it is clear even on a cursory examination that 10,000 Mexican consuls would not have been able to alter the trial result - Medellin is guilty, guilty, guilty). Finally, Preasident Bush has also announced a US withdrawal from that part of the Convention which allowed the ICC to intervene in American criminal justice - of course, this can't change the past; Medellin's crime is from a period of time when the US was so bound by the Convention.

I'm not too worked up over this - Mr. Medellin has a date with the executioner, and all of this legal battle is just so much nonsense, propelled forward by death penalty opponents and the Mexican government, always willing to defend criminals, provided the crimes were committed in the United States. I oppose the death penalty on principle, and I can't see the worth in executing Mr. Medellin - his death won't bring back the dead, and his sitting in relative comfort on death row is not exactly a strong deterrent message....much better would be to have Mr. Medellin breaking rocks in the hot, Texas sun with a ball and chain bolted to his ankle. Misery is what a murderer needs - to give him time to think about his deed.

The more worrisome development here is the clearly white-hot anger people feel against all things Mexican. I would advise my fellow conservatives that Know-Nothingism went nowhere in the 1850's, and the same fate awaits anyone who tries it here in the 21st century. Please keep in mind that the Mexican people aren't out to destroy the United States - have a sense of proportion.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; gangrape; hanspeterson; immigrantlist; immigration; killer; mexico; murder; rapist

1 posted on 10/10/2007 6:25:20 PM PDT by shield
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To: DevSix

ping


2 posted on 10/10/2007 6:26:45 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: dragnet2; processing please hold

Do yourself a favor, stop hyperventilating. Put your adult glasses on and educate yourself some (read this post). Regards.


3 posted on 10/10/2007 6:38:50 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: shield
I miss the G.W. Bush who as Governor told the Mexican Government that we would not execute Angel Maturino Resendiz (the “Railroad Killer”) if they turned him over to the State of Texas for trial and then executed him anyway.
4 posted on 10/10/2007 6:40:25 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: SJSAMPLE; i_dont_chat; Sally'sConcerns; Navy Patriot; semaj

Ping (worth the read).


5 posted on 10/10/2007 6:40:49 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: txroadkill
A Governor has different responsibilities and accountabilities than does a President. President GWB (like him or hate him) takes the job of POTUS/CinC very seriously.
6 posted on 10/10/2007 6:42:34 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: shield
much better would be to have Mr. Medellin breaking rocks in the hot, Texas sun with a ball and chain bolted to his ankle. Misery is what a murderer needs - to give him time to think about his deed.

Like the ACLU would ever allow that to happen.

7 posted on 10/10/2007 6:45:17 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: DevSix
Do yourself a favor, stop hyperventilating. Put your adult glasses on and educate yourself some (read this post). Regards.

Hi There. I did not post to this thread, so why would you ping me to it? I have no idea what you are referring to?

If you could be specific. Thank you.

8 posted on 10/10/2007 6:49:50 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: DevSix
When the left starts playing up a case such as this of course against Our President. Then I've got to take another look at it. I did and found...what's being said is unfounded allegations by the left.

Then the Bush haters here at FR start coming out of the shadows attacking him. Again the Bush haters have been sucked in by the lamestream media. SHAME ON THEM!!!

9 posted on 10/10/2007 7:07:44 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

>>Additionally, President Bush has asked the courts of Texas to review the case - not to overturn it, but to ensure that the failure to provide consular access didn’t alter the outcome of the trial (it is clear even on a cursory examination that 10,000 Mexican consuls would not have been able to alter the trial result - Medellin is guilty, guilty, guilty).<<

If the conviction is thrown out, anything can happen. Witnesses and evidence may not be available now.

Bush’s action challenges the convictions about 50 other Mexicans on death row in the USA. Bush has a long history of representing Mexican interests over US interests.


10 posted on 10/11/2007 5:07:49 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


11 posted on 10/11/2007 9:17:31 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: shield

12 posted on 10/11/2007 10:14:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: DevSix
President GWB (like him or hate him) takes the job of POTUS/CinC very seriously.

Unfortunately he takes Mexico even more seriously, as he continues to favor Mexicans over American citizens. Can't help but wonder about that, and many Americans are rightfully absolutely disgusted with him.

13 posted on 10/11/2007 11:27:11 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Travis McGee
I'm surprised at you. Are you just so closed minded NOW that you've not looked into this case thoroughly? Is your obvious HATRED for President Bush driven you over the edge? READ THIS.
14 posted on 10/11/2007 12:24:41 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield
Perhaps you might email this part of our Constitution to El Presidente Arbusto?

You know, that Constitution that he put his hand on a Bible, and swore to uphold?

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

15 posted on 10/11/2007 1:18:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Dr. Wheeler says lots of gone over edge with their hatred for Bush.


16 posted on 10/11/2007 3:38:10 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

I have a problem with presidents who swear to uphold the Constitution, but who are in fact dedicated to merging the USA into international unions.


17 posted on 10/11/2007 5:24:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

I have to agree with Dr. Wheeler...”they’ve let their bitterness towards Bush unhinge their brains. They are so mad it has driven them mad.” I have to agree...


18 posted on 10/11/2007 5:43:21 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“Bush’s action challenges the convictions about 50 other Mexicans on death row in the USA. Bush has a long history of representing Mexican interests over US interests.”

Yes he does!


19 posted on 10/11/2007 8:03:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Travis McGee

“I have a problem with presidents who swear to uphold the Constitution, but who are in fact dedicated to merging the USA into international unions.”

So do I. The “hate Bush” mantra is getting very old.


20 posted on 10/11/2007 8:05:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Good comment and I agree with you.


21 posted on 10/11/2007 10:15:14 PM PDT by Brandie (Duncan Hunter in 08' Islam is a Death Cult, is that simple enough to understand!)
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To: Brandie

Thanks!


22 posted on 10/12/2007 5:03:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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