Skip to comments.Please Freep this Climate Change Poll
Posted on 11/06/2007 2:06:00 PM PST by plenipotentiary
Please Freep this Poll. Vote for Climate Audit. Fighting Global Warming nonsense. Debunked the infamous "Hockey Stick" temperature fraud. Click the image to go right there.
Voted...Where do I pick up my check?
Read where the poor won’t be hard pressed to pay their heating bills this winter .... yeah, let’s hear it for Global Warming .....
In recent discussion of the Weblog 2007 Awards, several commenters at other blogs have argued that our criticisms of the Mannian parlor tricks have been thoroughly refuted and discarded by climatologists, published in a credible journal; that other professionals in the field who also have looked in great detail at the problem at hand and have come to the conclusion that rather than McIntyres findings being valid and relevant, they instead have found them to be without statistical and climatological merit; that CA fluffed on the whole hockey stick thing. See for example here
Omitted in these references are the fact that the people described as climatologists published in a credible journal or professionals in the field are none other than Wahl and Ammann, serial coauthors with Michael Mann, students of Mann, who are not independent of the controversy. Indeed, they largely use (without citation or attribution or even acknowledgment to Michael Mann) arguments originally published at realclimate (and already responded to in MM 2005b(EE). Aside from their lack of independence, neither Ammann nor Wahl qualify as statistical authorities. Ammann did his undergraduate work in geology; Wahl in divinity. While this does not exclude them from having potential insight in the matter, it is evidence that one should not necessarily expect a sure grasp of mathematical and statistical issues and that their conclusions cannot be relied upon uncritically, even if Stephen Schneider accepted their article.
Readers interested in a third party view of the matter are far better off consulting the North Report, the Wegman report, (particularly) Wegmans Reply to Questions and Richard Smiths account of the 2006 American Statistical Association session. All of these individuals are vastly more eminent than Ammann and Wahl. Wegman, in particular, has been Chair of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Theoretical and Applied Statistics and is a legitimate statistical expert. His comments on the Wahl and Ammann preprint are very acute and have not received appropriate consideration.
Ive collated some of these remarks for the benefit of new readers who havent been following this particular story. Please read the comments below using the analogy from the previous post: see if any of our criticisms of Mannian parlor tricks have been refuted - as opposed to whether someone arguing that you can re-tool the trick to still saw the woman in half a different way. (And for this latter, pay particular attention to Wegmans comments on Wahl and Ammann later in the post.) Read the rest of this entry »
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Thanks everyone. Climate Audit is runnung a close second. One more heave?
Done and they are a close second.
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