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Swiftboating Kerry (vanity)
me | 24 Nov 2007 | me

Posted on 11/24/2007 7:12:32 PM PST by Salman

There seems to be a school of thought among some Democrats that "swiftboating" cost Kerry the 2004 election.

Is there anybody here who was going to vote for Kerry, but changed their minds because of it?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: kerry; swiftboat

1 posted on 11/24/2007 7:12:33 PM PST by Salman
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To: Salman

LOL not that they would admit it.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 7:13:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Salman
Is there an over/under on the number of "I was going to vote for him before I voted against him" posts there will be?

Probably set the number at 1 now.

3 posted on 11/24/2007 7:22:06 PM PST by infidel29 (Voting for Paul? Might as well make it Ru Paul, he's got better legs.)
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To: Salman
Kerry's false service promotions and his perfidy during the VN war gave us the SBVT. Kerry's history was egocentric and thus shortsighted..... and made him unfit for command.


4 posted on 11/24/2007 7:24:17 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Salman
The Swiftboaters took a calculated risk. Recalling that they were attempting to convert Democrats to vote for "W" rather than a traitor, I'd doubt any of them were converted.

Maybe they didn't show up on election day, but it was a hard choice for them. They do love their traitors over there.

5 posted on 11/24/2007 7:25:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Salman

Doubt you’ll find anyone at FR that would have voted for Kerry at any time, regardless of the swift boat business.


6 posted on 11/24/2007 7:25:32 PM PST by tips up
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To: tips up

I was thinking the same thing. This probably isn’t the correct venue to seek out any possible Kerry voters!


7 posted on 11/24/2007 7:47:33 PM PST by Joann37
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To: Salman

On Free Republic?


8 posted on 11/24/2007 7:49:52 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Salman

anybody HERE? Ya gotta be kidding


9 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:43 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: Salman

Truth hurts.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 8:21:13 PM PST by Always Right
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To: muawiyah
The Swiftboaters took a calculated risk. . . .

The Swiftboaters did what was right.
Their stated purpose was to illuminate J F'n Kerry's military record and recommend him 'unfit for duty' as Commander in Chief. They stated several times that they were NOT endorsing ANY other candidate.

11 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:30 PM PST by skeptoid (U.E., A.A., MBS with Clusters)
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To: Salman

Oh yeah, we here were all BIG Kerry supporters, until those damn swift-boaters got a hold of him and bamboozled us into switching our votes BACK to Dubya...


12 posted on 11/24/2007 8:32:21 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: Salman; All

I have had the opportunity to meet many of the Swift Boat vets, and every single one of them I shook their hand and said a heartfelt “Thank you”.

They did exactly the right thing, and God bless them for doing it. They could have sat silently in the background, just watching the process unfold as spectators, but their patriotism and love of their country compelled them to speak out against that piece of human refuse, Kerry.

So many of our men were slandered by him and bore the scars of it for many years. As far as I am concerned, they DID cause him to lose the election, and a good thing it was, too. There is a special circle in hell reserved for people like John Kerry.

As my senator from Massachusetts, he is absolutely worthless as a legislator, and the only positive thing I can say about him is that he doesn’t do a damned thing, in comparison to Kennedy who does an immense amount of damage to our country because he DOES.


13 posted on 11/24/2007 8:35:27 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Salman; All

I drove around with this sticker on my rear window for about a year and a half, and I got plenty of fingers.

My NRA stickers on the back were probably the only thing that kept my vehicle from being vandalized.

14 posted on 11/24/2007 8:38:10 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Salman

Very unlikely you find someone on this site that changed their mind about Kerry because of SB. In the general population I’m sure that the SB’ers were a factor to some voters.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 8:41:06 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Salman

Sure there are some. What number? Who knows. Bush’s margin of victory was large enough that Kerry probably still would’ve lost. But at least history books will have to include some background on his post service Vietnam war activities.

Did the election eve release of GW Bush’s 30 year old DWI victory cost him votes? Definitely. Was there any impact by it? Well Al Gore’s margin of victory was only 0.51% of the popular vote. So it did cost GW the popular vote. So much for Al Gore’s brag. See how funny it would be to do away with the electoral college? And then need to do a NATIONAL recount?

Meanwhile Jean Kerry still hasn’t RELEASED his military record and journal. No, he’s only shared them with friendly associates. So his inability to disprove the claims and clear his name in this time points to some shady details. If he’d laid the record bare, at least no one could claim a coverup. But we are expected to believe the word of journalists at the Boston Glob.

Meanwhile Hillary’s secret is just to proclaim all bad news “old news” and dismiss everything as a falsehood. And this is “change”? A return to the reign of the Clintons? In spite of a Constitutional BAN on third terms???


16 posted on 11/24/2007 9:03:54 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: weegee

Kerry will get reelected. What is really shocking is the fact that even with SwiftVets Kerry still got %48 of the vote. Go figure.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 9:20:01 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Salman
>>>Is there anybody here who was going to vote for Kerry, but changed their minds because of it? <<<

I sure as heck hope so cause I spent a lot of money to aid the Swift Boat cause. I gave more money to them than any candidate I had ever supported up to that point.

Best money I ever spent - do it again in a heartbeat.

18 posted on 11/24/2007 9:34:38 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Salman
...Is there anybody here ...

ROTLF! Post this comment at DUmmieVille and watch what happens. :o)

19 posted on 11/24/2007 10:37:05 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Salman
Thanks for humoring me.

Two things emerge.

1) The Swift Boat Vets probably had little or nothing to do with Kerry losing the election.

2) It was still worthwhile to "swiftboat" Kerry, not because his own Vietnam service mattered so much, but to clear up the slander he did afterward..

20 posted on 11/25/2007 5:32:02 AM PST by Salman
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To: Salman
John Kerry mulls another run at the Swift Boat Vets

Are the Swift Boats Vets responsible for John Kerry making an a@@ of himself in this and other idiotic pictures the jerk *posed* for?

21 posted on 11/25/2007 6:11:14 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: rlmorel

Wow! You are from Massachusetts and you drove around with that on the back of your car! I am impressed to say the least! You must have had a lot of fun with that... I can only imagine the looks you got. ;-)


22 posted on 11/25/2007 6:16:17 AM PST by avacado
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To: avacado; All

Well, there was ONE memorable experience...I was driving to work one morning, and I heard a honk as a car passed me on my left. I looked over in time to see a gray-haired lady with a bun flipping me the bird.

I had to giggle at that one...being flipped off by a little old lady...:)

OTOH, as I thought about it, she might have been only in her fifties...you know how some of the earthy-crunchy hippie types find some kind of odd pleasure in making themselves less attractive in a variety of ways (not bathing, neglecting their hair, wearing run down clothes for effect)

I think she might have been one of those.

However, the highlight was one night when I pulled into a gas station to fill up, and a guy came over to me and struck up a conversation. He was a medic from the 82nd Airborne who had just returned from Afghanistan, and he wanted to say thanks and tell me how refreshing it was to see someone in Massachusetts who wanted to tell the way it is about Kerry.

Needless to say, I was flattered and somewhat chagrined. What the hell was THIS guy saying thank you to ME for? Sheesh...if I had seen the bumper sticker on his car (82nd Airborne) I would have been thanking him first.

I got a chance to meet quite a few of the Swift Boat Vets in front of Walter Reed Hospital the night before the Gathering of Eagles back in March. The level of disgust they have for Kerry is apparent in the tone of their voices and their entire demeanor. In particular, they had particular contempt for his attempt to use them as a springboard for his campaign, knowing full well how they all felt about him. If I could summarize, in my opinion, they all view him as a sanctimonious, self-aggrandizing, pompous, slandering, malingering, scheming, gold-plated phony. And those were the nice things they had to say.


23 posted on 11/25/2007 6:40:38 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: rlmorel
Thanks for the stories!

"...they had particular contempt for his attempt to use them as a springboard for his campaign, knowing full well how they all felt about him."

That's exactly why they had to stand up to that creep. Being used by Kerry is disgusting and I am glad they took him to the woodshed for it.

24 posted on 11/25/2007 6:50:38 AM PST by avacado
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Bill Clinton clearly dodged the draft and yet in 1992 and 1996 he ran against WWII veterans who both took enemy fire (GHW Bush was shot down and Bob Dole lost the use of his hand). Military service was determined to be irrelevant in a run for the White House.

Cut to 2004 and John Kerry is deriding the manner in which GW Bush served (stateside) and entertaining the rumors (supported by forged documents) that GW Bush was AWOL. Then Kerry had the brass balls to stand shoulder to shoulder along side Bill Clinton and make these same derisions towards Bush’s military service. Standing next to a draft dodger who LOATHES the military (according to a letter he wrote).

THAT John Kerry got 48% of the vote. They didn’t care about any of the crap that was being said. Yellow Dog Red Dupe Diaper Doper Babies.


25 posted on 11/25/2007 9:55:11 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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