Posted on 01/02/2008 12:34:30 PM PST by mnehrling
Vote for Ron Paul, infidel.
UPDATE #1: Welcome everyone visiting from LGF, Atlas Shrugs, Ace and RoP!
UPDATE #2: For a visual comparison of her Anisa Abd El Fattah persona (her nom de jihad), and her Caroline Keeble identity, take a look at the top of this post.
Sultan Knish informs us that our local HAMAS operative, former CAIR national board member and would-be Columbus Public School Board member Anisa Abd El Fattah/Caroline Keeble has a couple of recent posts on the "Muslims for Ron Paul" Yahoo forum coming out in favor of presidential hopeful Ron Paul and wishing neo-Nazi website STORMFRONT the best of luck in their battle against ADL. How nice.
This is the same Anisa Abd El Fattah who spent this past weekend speaking at a conference for an Iranian government front group identified by former FBI Director Louis Freeh as a direct domestic terror threat.
But don't worry: the Columbus Dispatch still thinks she's a moderate.
In her first message, she encourages candidate Paul not to bow to outside pressure calling for him to return donations from neo-Nazi leaders: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:48:00 -0800 (PST) To: Muslims_for_RonPaul@yahoogroups.com From: caroline keeble Subject: Re: [Muslims_for_RonPaul] ADL Concerned About Ron Paul Supporters
Well, this will be the first test for Ron Paul. We will know if he is really our man if he stands for the Constitutional rights of all Americans to participate in the political process and to exercise their right to free speech. Campaign contributions are free political speech, and I think the ADL should be very careful not to attempt to chill or deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights. We already know they believe that only their flunkies have rights, and that they have the power to dictate to others who to vote for, etc. So this will be the test. Let's see how Paul responds when it comes to dealing with the ADL.
Anisa Next up, she offers a prayer for STORMFRONT:
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:49:12 -0800 (PST) To: Muslims_for_RonPaul@yahoogroups.com
From: caroline keeble Subject: Re: [Muslims_for_RonPaul] ADL Extremism vs. Stormfront Extremism
28 USC 241 is a criminal statute. Traditionally only the US Attorney, or an Attorney General can file a suit under this statute. This is why the National Association of Muslim American Women filed a complaint back in January with the DOJ, requesting a Department of Justice investigation of the Jewish Lobby, including the ADL, not only for their routine attempts to tar and feather every Muslim and Arab as terrorist or potential terrorists, but also because there is a very good chance that these organizations, and their supporters are the sources of the so-called secret evidence that is the cause for many of the wrong arrests, imprisonments and other acts that have been carried out unfairly against Muslims and Arabs. Once tried in courtrooms these cases fall apart because the groups and individuals that provided the secret evidence, or who spread the rumors are liars.
There is also a very good chance that if we had gotten the investigation, it would have been proven that much of the testimony they have provided in Congressional hearings and private meetings has been lies, or rather perjury and false statements made to government officials, both crimes under 18 USC 1001. We attempted to circulate a petition asking Muslims and Arabs to sign onto the request for an investigation, to demonstrate to the DOJ that this was a serious initiative, and an issue of importance to nearly 8 million American citizens. We got 98 signatures, and so the Lobby continues with these tactics because they feel emboldened by Muslim and Arab apprehension about speaking up and pushing back. I pray that the people of Stormfront and their followers will have better luck with their people than we did with ours. It's time for someone to stand up to the JDL and the ADL, and for their attempts to chill and deprive other Americans of rights be stopped.
Anisa
The Sultan notes this is not the first, or even the second time that Fattah has come out in support of the neo-Nazis (see my previous FPM article, "Islamofascist Defends Fascists", covering her unashamed approval of neo-Nazis). In her published exchange with UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, she goes out of her way to defend "White nationalists", explaining the motive for their "fear mongering": The point is that every American has equal rights to free speech. That aspect of White nationalist behavior that includes fear mongering, name calling, and intimidation is wrong, yet they argue that their actions result from their frustration that they are stereotyped, and misrepresented by the media and made to appear as enemies of blacks and Jews, and others, when they simply want to preserve the white race, and its majority status. They feel that Jewish supremacism threatens their existence, and that Jewish activism is aimed at limiting their rights, and many Christians feel that same way.
No doubt, Ron Paul is proud to have her support.
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You just can’t make this stuff up...
Damn, just damn....
just shakin my head
How will the RP supporters spin this announcement.
The typical guilt by association excuse.
The Ministry of Silly Explanations will be along shortly.
You infidel.
and for comic relief... and yes that is the real title
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/01/AR2008010102235.html
To Be Young And in Love With Ron Paul
By Libby Copeland
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 2, 2008; Page C01
DES MOINES — The Ron Paul boys have come to this great state by bus and borrowed ride, with long johns under their jeans and little in their pockets.
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How many “guilt by associations” do you think it will take before the supporters say enough?
OomPauloomps.
No, just idiots, I mean let us keep it simple...
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Why should YOU vote for Ron Paul?Assalaamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters,
You can help by sharing and sending this note to all the Muslims you know as well as by registering as a Republican and voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in your state. Here's why: Muslims and Americans have an unique window of opportunity for the 2008 election. There is a candidate running as a Republican that would work to completely cut off the funding to Israel, remove ALL US troops from Arab lands, and repeal the Patriot Act. He's a Republican with Libertarian views named Ron Paul. Ron Paul's policies ranging from monetary to foreign are top notch.
Till now Muslims and Americans have not had an American Presidential candidate that really suited their best interests. This election is unique in that we have a man running as a Republican that speaks the truth. Much of the our foreign policy in the Middle East has been influenced heavily by AIPAC, the pro-Israeli lobby, to the detriment of Muslims in the Middle East. As American Muslims, we are blessed to live in the US where we have the freedom to let our policymakers know how we feel about foreign policy; we may not have the power of an influential lobby but we do have the right to vote and every single vote counts. We know the current policies in the Middle East are failing, not only making it less safe in the world but hurting and killing innocent Muslims, which our media callously calls collateral damage. It is our duty as Muslims to follow the truth regardless of how futile it may seem. Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not seem to be swayed by the influential lobbies that the other candidates are catering to.
If you'd like to read some of his quotes, I've pasted them below. You can also find his speeches on YouTube here. Remember, the top-tier candidates OBAMA, HILLARY, GIULIANI, EDWARDS, ROMNEY, and MCCAIN are PRO-ISRAEL, PRO-NUKES and PRO-PREEMPTIVE WAR. DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM. They will not help us.
Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It's our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire Ummah. Living here in the West, we are obligated to do so. Otherwise, we are partly to blame for all the actions our government takes in our name.
American Muslims must RISE and UNITE. Let your voice be heard. InshAllah (God-willing), we can spread the word and make a difference.
How Jewish Zionists undermined the US
by Anisa Abd el Fattah (January 08 - 2006)
"What can we do about those people, who claim to be US patriots who knowingly sought to use Muslims, and especially Muslim Americans as scapegoats and decoys while they secretly carried out the very crimes, and harbored in their hearts the very obvious hatred for the US, our way of life and our Constitution, that they had so passionately blamed on Muslims?"
The Jack Abramoff scandal is more than a scandal; it is a cause for international shame. It is also the story of how religious zealots, terrorists and fanatics took over the United States government, undermined our foreign interests, ruined our credibility, and cost us our prestige as a trustworthy world leader, while leading more than 2000 US soldiers and Marines to their deaths along with thousands of innocent Muslims and others, in pursuit of a fantasy that they call Zion. We all assumed that their Zionist dreamland was Israel; we now know that it also obviously included the United States. The immense shame that our Congress should be experiencing as a result of its failure to protect our country and our children from these zealots is not yet apparent, since our so-called “elected representatives” in Washington, the best Congress that money could buy, is busy discarding the evidence of their role in undermining world peace, while destroying the United States internationally, and their possibly criminal culpability in the untimely deaths of American soldiers and Marines, and more than 30 thousand innocent civilians in Iraq, and hundreds of thousands more in Palestine and Lebanon, in the process. No doubt at some point, the international courts will take up these issues.
Looking back, it seems now that 1994 was a special year in US history. It is the year that Jack Abramoff is said to have begun his Congressional shopping spree, looking for US Congress people for sale. It is also the year that Benjamin Netanyahu, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and other Zionist notables crafted the now infamous “Clean Break” strategy that led the United States into Iraq under the false pretense that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, a lie that was crafted by Judith Miller, a Zionist ideologue and possible Israeli intelligence operative who posed as a New York Times journalist, and who also played a still unknown role in the outing of Valerie Plame, the CIA officer whose husband was one of the first people to challenge the lie that Hussein had attempted to purchase chemicals needed for a nuclear weapons program in Africa. Abramoff seems to have arrived in Washington around the same time that the Oklahoma City bombing took place, which led to the first major legislative attack on Muslim Americans, and US civil liberties through the Omnibus Anti-Terrorism Act, which has now been followed by two additional bombings, and two additional bodies of anti-terrorism legislation including the so-called Patriot Act. It was the year that PBS aired the now discredited “shockumentary” Jihad in America, written and produced by Judith Miller’s Zionist colleague Steven Emerson, a so-called journalist, and the father of secret evidence in US courts, that the Nation magazine reported had close ties to Israeli military intelligence, and the Israeli Likud party. It was the year of the first media and public “backlash” against Muslims in the United States, which left in its wake a number of burned mosques, deaths, and defamation. Muslims and Islam were these Zionist terrorists’ targets, scapegoats and decoys in a Zionist war against the world, which they have lost.
As we await the results of the numerous FBI investigations of those who took Abramoff money for favors, seeking to ascertain how exactly that money was spent, we can perhaps begin to connect the dots, hoping to see the big picture that will probably never grace our television news shows or newspapers, no matter what the results of those investigations might be. Just as the AIPAC (American/Israeli Political Action Committee) spy scandal went unreported, don’t expect to hear the real, and very serious consequences of what Abramoff and his network have done to our country, our Constitution and Muslims, here and abroad. The price in loss of lives, US prestige, credibility, and pride is uncountable. While the taxpayer money is countable, we can never get it back. The good news is that God has spared us the worst of it, if you can imagine that we were in store for much worse, and much more, including perhaps military attacks on Syria and Iran that would without doubt lead us into another world war, and perhaps the Armageddon of Jewish and Christian apocalyptic teachings, that they seem to long for.
It goes without saying that Abramoff’s money was spent for Congressional favors, and media access. Such favors seem to have included making Muslims the most hated people in the United States, and Islam the most hated religion in the world. Who can forget how the so-called Christian “right” went wrong, when its leaders used the media in our country to launch an unprecedented attack to defame Muslim citizens and our religion, and to deny us our civil rights. Such attacks, if they had been launched against Jews, African Americans, Native Americans or women would have caused a country-wide uproar, yet after Emerson’s fraudulent claim that all Muslims were involved in an international plot to take over, or to destroy the US, it was open target day on Islam and Muslims, and the Christian right took every shot they could get, and the media saw to it that they got plenty of them.
Abramoff’s Congress rewarded Emerson for the role he supposedly played in fighting terrorism, here and abroad. What a farce. The Senate also launched an investigation of every Muslim organization that ever criticized Israel, or called for an end to the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, perhaps to show its gratitude to Emerson, or as a favor to Abramoff and his Zionist gang of thousands in our government and communities, including perhaps the terrorist organization known as the Jewish Defense League (JDL), now the JDO, who routinely threatens, and attempts to kill anyone they decide is a threat to, or an enemy of Israel. These people are so well protected that they were allowed to tamper with the jury in the Lynn Stewart case, leafleting the area around the courthouse, and shouting threats through bullhorns, violating her civil rights, calling her a “terrorist sympathizer” etc. Their leader said to the press, “we will destroy her, make sure she has no where to live, to work, or to hide!” They know how their terror network works here in the US, and how effective they have been to date against Muslims and others, due to their ownership of public officials on every level of government in our country, and their operatives who hide out in our government, post offices, schools, businesses, churches, synagogues and mosques. Do you think that a federal judge wouldn’t know that such activity might have led to a frightened jury delivering a guilty verdict against Stewart for assisting her client in his efforts to prove his innocence for a crime that many believe was carried out by the Egyptian government and the Israeli Mossad. Her client’s supporters argue that he must prove his innocence, because the prosecutors couldn’t prove that he is guilty. What should have been a mistrial became a lynching, and now Stewart faces years in prison for doing the very thing that criminal defense lawyers are paid to do, and that is to defend their clients.
The successful JDL jury tampering, and the verdict against Stewart, sent a loud message to everyone in the country who might have opposed, or sought to act against the Zionist push to cement its power in the US, and the world. The message was that to oppose them could result in our being tagged terrorists, and perhaps spending may years of our lives in jail, perhaps in foreign jails where we would be tortured to death. Other examples include the so-called Virginia Paintball case, where Muslim American citizens, many former soldiers, were convicted of violating the Neutrality Act when they attempted to help the Kashmiri Muslim people in their fight for independence from India. The prison sentences doled out to these young men for sending supportive faxes, and providing other non-military assistance to Kashmir, ranged from 20 years to life in prison, even though not one of them ever killed anyone, or even fired a weapon. People have received lesser sentences in the United States for killing their children, than these men who killed no one. It will be interesting to see if Abramoff and his Congressional crew of Jewish and Christian zealots will escape similar charges, convictions, and sentences due to their possible violation of the same Act. Writer Michael Isikoff authored an article that appeared on the MSNBC website, detailing the amount of funds spent, and military equipment shipped to Israeli settlers through an Abramoff charity called, The Capital Athletic Foundation. These funds and military equipment were used to fund sniper schools, and to provide weapons to Israeli settlers to use against Palestinians, provoking retaliatory attacks by the Palestinians and suicide bombings. They caused an escalation in hostilities at a time when the US was seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict and a cease-fire. They also carried out illegal targeted assassinations in the Palestinian territories. Such activity, along with violating the Geneva Conventions, also may have violated the Neutrality Act, and other statutes that prevent US citizens from working with foreign nationals to undermine US policies, and our national interest and security. Abramoff’s charity, and his cohorts seem to have done both. Abramoff’s evil influence likely went beyond our Congress and executive branch, and may have even corrupted some people in our judiciary. A Fox News personality who was agitating against the presently imprisoned Sheikh Ali Al Tamimi, asked a guest on his program, which US court Al Tamimi, a Muslim cleric who was given a life sentence for exercising his right to free speech, would be tried. When his guest said that Tamimi would be tried in Northern Virginia, the Fox news personality laughed, and assured his guest that Tamimi would be found guilty, and given life, and he was.
While the real terrorists were being funded through Abramoff’s charity, in their war against the Palestinians that for some reason went undetected by our State Department, Muslims throughout the world were being accused of funding terrorism through charitable organizations, and our charities were closed down. When the Holy land Foundation was closed, and its funds confiscated, Jewish lawyers here in the US had the audacity to hold a hearing led by Senator Arlen Specter, where they argued that they should be granted the Foundation’s money to cover legal fees associated with a bogus case they had brought against Holy land, and other Muslim organizations, claiming they had funded a suicide bombing in Palestine. Muslims were being hunted like animals, and followed and chased down, rounded up, deported, detained and tortured. Our telephones were tapped; our leaders, activists and clerics were detained, some stripped of their citizenship and deported, and sometimes rendered to hostile Arab nationalist governments where they were tortured. Even when our Senate reported that no links between these Muslim organizations and terrorism had been found, the Senate would not say that they had made a mistake, or even offer an apology to the organizations that had been damaged, and shut down to appease the Zionist pro-Israel lobby, funded by Abramoff. They said nothing to the families that had been impoverished, or the people whose reputations had been obliterated in the Senate’s Muslim witch hunt. Abramoff’s terrorist network used our judiciary, and our Congress and also people within our executive branch, very effectively in their secret war against the Palestinians, and Muslims throughout the world.
In the past, anyone who attempted to bring the country’s attention to the terrible injustices and undermining of our US Constitution being carried out by Jewish and Christian Zionists and their lackeys in our government and judiciary, were called conspiracy theorists, their writings, and ranting relegated to the dustbin of unwelcome history. Today they are vindicated. As far back as 1998, one such writer, Michael Collins Piper wrote that Jerry Farwell and Benjamin Netanyahu had conspired to undermine US foreign policy by attempting to blackmail then President Bill Clinton. During that same period, Hilary Clinton attempted to warn us of a “vast right wing conspiracy” that was out to get her husband. Too bad she didn’t give the details. According to Piper, “Clinton pushed for Israel to relinquish West Bank territory,” and as a result, a Jewish newspaper declared that Clinton had turned his back on Israel. Later, Netanyahu came to Washington to meet with Clinton, but before meeting with Clinton, he met with Falwell, and about 1000 other Christian Zionists. Piper wrote that after that, the Monica Lewinsky story broke, and Clinton was impeached. According to Piper, William Kristol was the first to announce that Clinton would be the subject of a scandal involving an illicit affair, and within a short amount of time following Kristol’s announcement, the mainstream media broke the story. Piper, writing in the article “Falwell confirms Lewinsky affair linked to Israeli lobby intrigue” said that Falwell admits to having assisted Netanyahu and the Israeli lobby in unseating a US President, who was elected by a majority of the American people, through blackmail. What Piper didn’t mention in his article, is that Netanyahu had also asked Clinton to free the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, and Clinton had refused.
It’s hard to imagine that anything we could hear about Abramoff, our Congress, or the terrorist efforts and organizations they obviously, or possibly support, could surprise us at this point. The shock and shame that our country is experiencing will wear off after the mid-term elections. By then, everyone who is leaving Congress will have left, or been forced out. In other words, we have a way to deal with our government. Our challenge is to find a way to apologize to those who have been hurt by the lies, the conspiracy, the crimes, and the terrorism of those who worked along with Abramoff and the Zionists in our country to hurt people. What do we say to the world that lined up in blind allegiance to this evil, thinking that they were involved in an international war against Muslim terrorism? Do we say sorry? Or do we say, shame on you too!
What can we do about those people, who claim to be US patriots who knowingly sought to use Muslims, and especially Muslim Americans as scapegoats and decoys while they secretly carried out the very crimes, and harbored in their hearts the very obvious hatred for the US, our way of life and our Constitution, that they had so passionately blamed on Muslims? Imagine a political operative appearing before Congress to blame others for hating the US way of life, and our Constitution as he recommends that we violate our Constitution, saying that it is now obsolete since it prevents Zionists from seizing the power they desire, and from destroying our country with their evil plots and lies. Who is it that is attempting to establish an evil totalitarian ideology over the free people of the world? The best that it seems we can do is to stop the progress of this madness.
The Muslim American community will no doubt make some special requests as compensation for our suffering, which might include retrials for all of the Muslim political prisoners who were convicted after 9/11, and in courts where judges and juries were clearly biased against Islam, and Muslims, where secret evidence was used, and in cases where people to forced into plea agreements after being tortured. There will also likely be an effort to interest the Attorney General in an investigation of the Christian Right, and the media’s role in the deaths of Muslims, and destruction of private property carried out against Muslims, and Sikhs and people with Muslim sounding names, following 9/11, seeking to ascertain whether or not they committed, incited, or contributed to hate crimes.
As we read this, the arrogant and unrepentant Zionist in our government are said to be preparing to send hundreds of thousands more of our young soldiers into the Muslim world to fight and die to advance their Zionist ideals and vision of a world dominated and controlled by Jewish and Christian Zionists. Wars against Syria and Iran are also called for as part of the same strategy crafted by Netanyahu, Feith, and Perle, and adopted by our Congress that led us into Iraq. What do we say to the families, Iraqi and American and others who have lost loved ones in a war, that was staged to advance Israel’s, and by extension, Zionism’s domination of the region? Is sorry enough? It shouldn’t be. We must promise them…”Never again,” and reform our government, limit and downsize it, and increase checks and balances, while also creating some protections for our country, and our elected officials from foreign influence. We must initiate an educational campaign that highlights the evils of religious, secular, and political extremism, and terrorism, teaching that regardless of where it originates, and who carries it out, it is illegal, evil and wrong. We must strengthen the barriers that separate religion from government in the United States without infringing upon the rights of religious people to speak and act, and vote according to the tenets of their faiths. Most importantly, we must find a way to distinguish between authentic, and counterfeit interpretations of religion and the exploitation of religion, and then we must make the counterfeiting, and exploitation of religion, and religious sentiments for any purpose a crime. How ironic that so-called Muslim extremist hijacked Islam, at the same time that Christian and Jewish fanatics and extremists hijacked and polluted Christianity and Judaism…and the plot thickens.
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This is formatted like garbage. Can you sum up what this is trying to report? All I’m deciphering is that someone is either unhappy with Stormfront, the ADL, or both. I think they’re all a$$holes, so hopefully the latter is the case.
In a nutshell, Muslim CAIR supporter is praising Stormfront and Ron Paul for standing against the ADL and ‘zionists’..
OK. Who cares? Is Ron Paul supposed to use his super magic powers to telepathically shut this early 70's Michael Jackson lookalike chick up? And is the "Central Ohioans Against Terrorism Blog" a huge political force to be reckoned with that it will make any difference whatsoever in the amount of votes he ends up getting? And last I checked, isn't "standing up to" the race-baiting dip$hits at the ADL considered a good thing here on FR?
This is more chalked up to the ‘strange bedfellows’ category.
Might as well get used to that. Going to be seeing a lot of that as candidates start to drop out. Tancredo-haters just about had their heads explode when he endorsed Romney, for instance.
I still like this one best.
http://blog.clickz.com/071228-174849.html
December 28, 2007
Gnomes for Ron Paul
Political rallies and marches are nothing new, and online campaigning is a well known trend, but when the two come together with a bunch of gnomes, it’s hard not to take notice.
Grassroots supporters of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul have invited supporters that play online game “World of Warcraft” to join them in a rally and march on New Years Day. Organizers of the virtual event have scheduled the event to start in the snowbound city of Ironforge, so it’s sure to involve lots of gnomes and dwarves, before they march to Stormwind.
No word at this point if “Horde for Hillary” or “Orcs for Obama” counter events have also been scheduled.
The real questions about neo-nazi, white supremacist, 9/11 conspiracy freak and Al Qaeda apologist support for Ron Paul is:
What do these types of people think they will gain if Ron Paul is successful? And are they right to think that a Ron Paul presidency would help their causes? If yes, why?
What do these types of people think they will gain if Ron Paul is successful? And are they right to think that a Ron Paul presidency would help their causes? If yes, why?
Because Paul is hands-down the best on the 1st Amendment. If you were a racist scumbag, would you want someone who is good at protecting individual liberty, or someone like Giuliani or Romney who don't know the Constitution from their butthole? This isn't that complicated. Even the biggest anti-Paul freepers don't think that he is a racist or anti-semite.
I happen to like Paul, but that is extremely ghey.
Heh heh, yes indeed...
They are busy getting their talking points from the paultard forums....
what the hell is that???
This is interesting, they write that Ron Paul never received donations from AIPAC. Do you know what candidates do receive donations from AIPAC?
AIPAC isn't a hate group, though you might disagree. No candidates receive donations from AIPAC that I'm aware of.
AIPAC isn't a hate group, though you might disagree. No candidates receive donations from AIPAC that I'm aware of.
Do you think that if Ron Paul would receive donation from AIPAC he would return back all cash?
I'l repeat my answer, to my knowledge AIPAC doesn't make political donations.
If they made one to Paul (or any other candidate) I'd expect Paul (or any other candidate) to return the illegal contribution, and report the action to the FEC, probably the FBI as well.
A question for you.
Can you think of any other major party candidate over the last few decades that, when informed of contributions from racists, Jewhaters, felons and/or individuals under federal indictment, hasn't returned them? Or wouldn't return them?
Even Hillary does that.
All those who raise this case know very well than Paul is not linked to such people and never advocated their theories. Whole this fuss is made exclusively because of election campaign, later everybody calm down.
Return or not? Politicians made decision basing on opinion of their advisers. You have posted this advert yourself, so you know why they support him. They don't expect from him Jew bashing or any discrimination, they know that this is not the case. So if they support HIS program then I don't see any moral reason (tactically this could be discussed) to return this cash.
The point is that if one disagree with Paul stand on war then he has the right to criticize. However calling him a Nazi, like many Freepers do is absurd. The leftists only watch and have a lot of fun from this spectacle.
I don't know exactly who "folks from AIPAC are, if you mean officers or employees or just plain Jews, of course they can.
Don Black is a well known racist/Jewhater, who has served time in the federal pen for attempting to overthrow a Caribbean government with some of his fellow Klansmen.
Were I a political candidate, I would reject his contribution, as well as the link to my campaign contribution center on his website.
Were I a political candidate I would not reject the contribution of an AIPAC employee, official or a Jew simply on that basis. Were they felons, I would, were they under indictment I would.
Were this brought to my attention, of course, as Don Black has been brought to Ron Paul's attention.
Obviously I differ from you and Ron Paul, as does every Dem or GOP candidate I can think of.
That you consider AIPAC, their employees, or Jews the equivalet or racists, Klansman, and felons says a great deal about your judgement. As does the fact that you somehow think their contributions are unacceptable. I won't project that opinion onto Paul.
These hot elections campaign :) Seriously, AIPAC folks (I'm not aware whether they are all Jews or not) lobby for FOREIGN country interests. Some folks from AIPAC were arrested and accused of spying for Israel if I recall correctly. So this case is so clear either from moral point of view.
Do you suggest that I'm Neo-Nazi as well? Perhaps I suddenly discovered my real views? :)
Yes, I can believe you aren't aware. If in fact AIPAC is lobbying for Israel, they'll be shut down immediately. Let the FBI know, though bear in mind that tactic has been tried before.
Some folks from AIPAC were arrested and accused of spying for Israel if I recall correctly. So this case is so clear either from moral point of view.
You don't recall correctly, no one from AIPAC has been accused of spying for Israel. Two individuals were charged with verbally repeating classified information they weren't responsible for protecting to third partys, the Washinton Post and Israeli Embassy, after calling the White House. First use ever of a hundred year old law. If convicted it will either result in dozens of arrests in DC on a monthly basis, or stand as an example of selective prosecution.
You really need to find new sources for your information.
As to your sense of moral equivalency between Stormfront and AIPAC, that doesn't make you a neonazi, it is instructive of your views. Either you've a strong dislike for AIPAC and their supporters, or a softspot for Israel.
I should note any candidate should reject the contributions of either of the indicted individuals until they're acquitted. Ron Paul excepted, of course, pending criminal charges and felony convictions are fine with Ron.
However I would never rise this issue if I would not notice black propaganda used against Paul by some posters. Some decent standard of discussion should be respected even during hot election campaigns. Generally I'm disinterested in Middle East policy, thus I never post or even read such threads. This is not a region when my country have some vital interests.
Does Paul endorse them though? That's the $64,000 question.
When you see Paul in bed with these creeps, let me know.
There's been several high-profile hit pieces on Paul today. Scared that the doctor will place higher than 3rd today?
The neo-liberal media smear artists already beat us.
However, the coalition that Paul is motivating to support him is perhaps the biggest one seen in recent American political history. Vince Lombardi told me that winning was the only thing. And white supremacist and Truther votes are counted the same as everyone else's.
As long as Paul doesn't endorse their views, it's a total non-story, desperately promoted in the waning hours of the first votes for President.
What do these types of people think they will gain if Ron Paul is successful?
Basically, nothing.
The real questions about neo-nazi, white supremacist, 9/11 conspiracy freak and Al Qaeda apologist support for Ron Paul is:
What do these types of people think they will gain if Ron Paul is successful?
More blacks are supporting Paul than the other Republicans. What are they going to gain from a Paul Presidency, considering since Paul will abolish many of the government programs and handouts that a large percentage of blacks use.
Apparently, you don't know how the Internet works...
You're welcome to point out any occasions of "black propaganda" I've used against Paul, you'll likely find I stick to facts.
I'd agree your country has no short term vital interests, nor any compelling reason to be involved in most regional issues (the US doesn't in many cases either, another issue). However I'd note that the proposed antimissle system isn't directed at intercepting Soviet, sorry Russian, incoming, rather against the possibility of an Iranian strike.
Not an Iranian strike against Poland necessarily, but Western Europe, you're in the middle again.
1-You return the contribution, don't want to upset Black's base, say it's because he's a felon, that's no secret. That's what any other serious candidate would do.
2-Block incoming traffic from the Stormfront link, easy to do. That would upset Black's base, hard to find an excuse.
The internet impacts that how?
Either this missile system is useful for real threats to Poland or not, I don’t know. This is up to military specialists to judge. If this is not really helpful then I’m against. Lets Western Europe to develop their own defense system if they want, I don’t care. Anyway they don’t really seems to be happy with this American idea.
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