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Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays
CNN.COM ^ | 10 JANUARY 2008 | CNN

Posted on 01/10/2008 2:16:11 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A series of newsletters in the name of GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul contain several racist remarks -- including one that says order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went "to pick up their welfare checks."

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul's campaign has raised millions of dollars, most from online supporters.

CNN recently obtained the newsletters -- written in the 1990s and one from the late 1980s -- after a report was published about their existence in the New Republic.

None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 1992; ronpaul
Dr. Paul will appear on CNN Situation Room to address the controversy.
1 posted on 01/10/2008 2:16:12 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

2 posted on 01/10/2008 2:19:31 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Seahawks should have went South for the winter - instead they're coming to Lambeau!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’ve been trying to advocate for more positive reinforcement in FR with regard to the various candidates, but if the crap I’ve heard reported actually IS in those newsletters, this a-hole needs to be purged.


3 posted on 01/10/2008 2:21:11 PM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
No offense EEE, he is not helping himself right now on CNN. He is saying the right things but throwing in some things that will really turn off people to him, kind of like saying the old cliche, I'm not racist, I have black friends...
4 posted on 01/10/2008 2:38:14 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SJackson

Ping, you should hear this interview.


5 posted on 01/10/2008 2:38:34 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
From the article:

That's not good enough, says one political veteran. "These stories may be very old in Ron Paul's life, but they're very new to the American public and they deserve to be totally ventilated," said David Gergen, a CNN senior political analyst. "I must say I don't think there's an excuse in politics to have something go out under your name and say, 'Oh by the way, I didn't write that.'"

...and...

In some excerpts, the reader may be led to believe the words are indeed from Paul, a resident of Lake Jackson, Texas. In the "Ron Paul Political Report" from October 1992, the writer describes carjacking as the "hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos."

The author then offers advice from others on how to avoid being carjacked, including "an ex-cop I know," and says, "I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."

6 posted on 01/10/2008 2:53:59 PM PST by mnehring
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Ping for review


7 posted on 01/10/2008 2:58:17 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: RangerM

I’ve seen nothing to convince me that ElRon is a bigot, but he sure seems to save them a seat at his table — and these quotes seem to indicate that it isn’t a new phenomenon.


8 posted on 01/10/2008 2:58:40 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: bcsco; SJackson
He said something very damning in that interview. He said ‘We are having another fundraiser on MLK day...’ implying it was part of the campaign.

The MLK Money Bomb is a grassroots event that was started by what is supposedly a third party not affiliated with the campaign. He may have some problems if the wrong people at the FEC think that is an indication he is coordinating with some of these grassroots fundraisers.

9 posted on 01/10/2008 3:06:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling; SJackson; ReignOfError

I too am not yet convinced Ron Paul is a racist, or anti-semetic, as some of his associations, and these papers, seem to imply. Yet.

But it does seem he uses people and groups for his own benefit. And if he sees personal benefit in something, he’s not about to relinquish that association, regardless how it may appear to others. That in itself is a highly questionable trait IMO in someone running for the presidency.


10 posted on 01/10/2008 3:15:37 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: mnehrling
he is not helping himself right now on CNN.

I don't know. I saw it and it sounds like to me he is taking the gloves off. Maybe Michigan will be Paul's Battle of Saratoga moment.

11 posted on 01/10/2008 3:18:46 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Seahawks should have went South for the winter - instead they're coming to Lambeau!)
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To: mnehrling
He said something very damning in that interview. He said ‘We are having another fundraiser on MLK day...’ implying it was part of the campaign.

If he said that, it's a problem. He and his "private" fundraisers should save some money for the FEC fines. They may be surprised to find laws do apply to paulistinians.

I'll try to listen when it pops up on youtube or somewhere, but from the article I noted.

"What I think some people are looking for him to do is to say, 'OK, who wrote that?' I mean, there's 20 years, give or take, worth of newsletters there," Welch said.

Benton maintains that the GOP presidential candidate doesn't know who wrote any of the newsletters. Asked if Paul would try to find out, his spokesman said, "No, what's the point? ... It's time to move on."

Honestly, no one can believe that. True believers may parrot the line, but the man is a liar. And no, the fact that Benton may be doing the lying for him doesn't exclude him from responsibility.

Don't know if it will come up tonight, but I'm poking around for the sample Chris Matthews questioning of candidates in a debate post Republican racism revalations.

The good new, Paul has been so batty through the campaign, mostly through the good auspices of his supporters, my interview won't happen. No one will hang his nutball opinions and associates on the GOP, he owns them.

12 posted on 01/10/2008 3:27:18 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: bcsco
But it does seem he uses people and groups for his own benefit.

Some clarification is in order. Everyone does this to more or less degree. What bothers me about Ron Paul is the groups he has been associated with, and his carelessness, or disregard, of their unsavory character.

13 posted on 01/10/2008 3:28:29 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco
I too am not yet convinced Ron Paul is a racist, or anti-semetic, as some of his associations, and these papers, seem to imply. Yet....But it does seem he uses people and groups for his own benefit. And if he sees personal benefit in something, he's not about to relinquish that association, regardless how it may appear to others. That in itself is a highly questionable trait IMO in someone running for the presidency.

Based on the availability of the newletters I think he's clearly a racist, whether he wrote all of it or simply condoned it's publication in his name. The idea that he was clueless for a decade and a half isn't credible.

But it doesn't matter. The example I've used in the past in the official in Klan country, who wasn't a member (Byrd is out), might even have condemned their activities in private, but hung with kluckers, did business with kluckers, and in general went on with his life. If his life included public responsibilities, he was blind there too. Wouldn't speak out in any meaningful way.

(To the paulistinian about to respond, I condemn your ideology but send money isn't meaningful imo, so don't bother)

It's a moral shortcoming. A common one, I could draw numerous similar comparisons from the last century.

If the question is having dinner with the guy, I might not, but in general sure.

For President of the United States, give me a break, he hasn't the moral backbone to be a dogcatcher.

14 posted on 01/10/2008 3:42:18 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: bcsco
Some clarification is in order. Everyone does this to more or less degree. What bothers me about Ron Paul is the groups he has been associated with, and his carelessness, or disregard, of their unsavory character.

BTW, you'd be suprised, when it comes to overt racism, and that's where Paul's at, everyone doesn't do it. That's why he's still a margin of error candidate.

15 posted on 01/10/2008 3:44:26 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: bcsco; mnehrling
The other interesting quote in the article.

Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea

Not totally clear Paul said that, but if he did, wow.

The classic rationalization for opression.

Blacks can't be racist cause they're black.

Arabs can't be antisemitic cause they're semites.

I'll leave it there, but history is littered with the victims of that rationalization.

16 posted on 01/10/2008 3:51:23 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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Sorry, meant to include the full "quote", assuming he said it.

"I am the anti-racist because I am the only candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws," he said.

"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."


17 posted on 01/10/2008 3:54:44 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: RangerM
I’ve been trying to advocate for more positive reinforcement in FR with regard to the various candidates, but if the crap I’ve heard reported actually IS in those newsletters, this a-hole needs to be purged.

His face is out there as a Republican. I think it's become unlikely that his supporters and opinions will be hung on the GOP, but as long as he's a Republican candidate, he should be discussed.

As I've noted on occasion, were he not a Presidential candidate, his writings would likely be banned here. If he had a website rather than newsletter, it would be banned, as are the websites of many of his prominent supporters. So I understand what you're saying.

18 posted on 01/10/2008 3:58:55 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: SJackson
Based on the availability of the newletters I think he's clearly a racist, whether he wrote all of it or simply condoned it's publication in his name. The idea that he was clueless for a decade and a half isn't credible.

You ignored my 'yet'. I'm simply giving the benefit of the doubt for a short period of time to see whether he comes up with credible explainations.

It's a moral shortcoming. A common one, I could draw numerous similar comparisons from the last century.

I absolutely agree. That's what I said in my clarfication.

19 posted on 01/10/2008 4:01:54 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: SJackson
BTW, you'd be suprised, when it comes to overt racism, and that's where Paul's at, everyone doesn't do it. That's why he's still a margin of error candidate.

My statement about everyone using people or groups at times was clarified by stating what bothers me is the groups he uses to his benefit. I believe we're of the same opinion. Everyone uses people at times; not everyone has the lack of character to make himself accessible to these peripheral, and highly disgusting groups. And that is what bothers me about RP.

20 posted on 01/10/2008 4:05:50 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco
You ignored my 'yet'. I'm simply giving the benefit of the doubt for a short period of time to see whether he comes up with credible explainations.

That's a sensible thing to do, my clock took months to state he's a racist, despite knowing all about the individuals/groups he's connected with day one. In fact, I didn't believe it at first, though that lasted about 12 hours.

21 posted on 01/10/2008 4:10:59 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: SJackson
"I am the anti-racist because I am the only candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws," he said.

One could possibly see racism implied in that statement. Does he believe these minorities are incapable of protecting themselves? Does he believe they need the white spokesman to protect them from the evils of this world?

A cornerstone of conservative thought is that everyone should have the opportunity to advance themselves, and be as successful in life as they can be. It would seem to me the above is almost a rejection of this philosophy. 'These people' need me for their own good.

22 posted on 01/10/2008 4:13:11 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco
One could possibly see racism implied in that statement.

It's clearly a big government, "protect", statement with racial overtones. I cut him slack on many of these because I think he's a soundbite person, not a serious thinker. At least not in his verbal statements.

23 posted on 01/10/2008 4:17:25 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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It's clearly a big government, "protect", statement with racial overtones.

What's amusing to me, though (now that we've discussed the serious side), it's the antithesis of everything he preaches; small government, sticking to constitutional principles, get the government out of one's home. I agree that this one statement shows little forethought.

24 posted on 01/10/2008 4:21:42 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Didn’t someone post a shot yesterday of one of the most offensive letters (that Paul denies writing) showing him extending personal Christmas wishes from himself, his wife, his kids and grandkids?


25 posted on 01/10/2008 4:24:56 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: SJackson
"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."

Interesting difference, Conservatives aren't racist because they believe in the individual instead of the label.

26 posted on 01/10/2008 4:38:41 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Proud2BeRight

Yep, I am surprised the media hasn’t jumped on that yet. Someone who was writing his newsletter really went out of their way to make it appear Paul wrote it.


27 posted on 01/10/2008 4:39:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bcsco
Does he believe they need the white spokesman to protect them from the evils of this world?

Take out the racial component, does he believe people need the government to protect them from the evils of this world?

28 posted on 01/10/2008 4:41:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Take out the racial component, does he believe people need the government to protect them from the evils of this world?

That's the basis of my post #24. It's the antithesis of all he preaches.

29 posted on 01/10/2008 4:43:32 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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Hadn’t gotten to that one yet.. This was probably the most telling speech he has ever given, and not to his benefit.


30 posted on 01/10/2008 4:45:15 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Proud2BeRight
Didn’t someone post a shot yesterday of one of the most offensive letters (that Paul denies writing) showing him extending personal Christmas wishes from himself, his wife, his kids and grandkids?

I don't think it's offensive, but I admit Merry Christmas and may we start to confound the plans of the Trilateralists is odd.

Don't find that at Hallmark.

The good news, it's been over 15 years and the Trilateralists haven't taken over yet, Ron must have confounded them.

He must have, who else could have?

31 posted on 01/10/2008 4:48:39 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: mnehrling
This was probably the most telling speech he has ever given, and not to his benefit.

But to what degree do his followers hear what he says rationally, and will it hurt him?

32 posted on 01/10/2008 4:49:58 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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I think you missed my point but becuase I cannot understand what you wrote, we’re probably even.


33 posted on 01/10/2008 4:54:44 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

It wasn’t an offensive Christmas message, just odd.


34 posted on 01/10/2008 4:56:11 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: bcsco
But it does seem he uses people and groups for his own benefit. And if he sees personal benefit in something, he’s not about to relinquish that association, regardless how it may appear to others. That in itself is a highly questionable trait IMO in someone running for the presidency.

It is certainly a valid question whether someone endorsed by Stormfront et. al. would have any credibility as a mediator in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

In 1960, a West Virginia voter told Hubert Humphrey "I ain't gonna vote for no Catholic." Without missing a beat, Humphrey told that man, "Then sir, I don't want your vote." In 1980, the Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan; Reagan was out front in loudly denouncing them and rejecting their support.

These are things Ron Paul has not done. He's waist-deep in bigots, Holocaust deniers and 9/11 "Truthers," and he hasn't taken a single step to distance himself. He keeps going on their talk shows and accepting their donations.

I repeat that I do not believe Dr. Paul is not a bigot or a conspiracy nut. But he does not make a move to distance himself from them. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

35 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:08 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: SJackson

I cannot find the Newsletter yet but it was a newsletter very offensive to MLK that also included a personal RP Christmas greeting. BUt somehow he still denies that he wrote it.


36 posted on 01/10/2008 5:02:14 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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Finally, I found it: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28537_Ron_Pauls_Personal_Details_in_Racist_Newsletter&only


37 posted on 01/10/2008 5:09:55 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: SJackson
The idea that he was clueless for a decade and a half isn't credible.

I think he's been clueless far longer than that. He's like a puppy begging for scraps from the table and a pat on the head -- and he's desperate enough for the attention that he doesn't care whom it comes from. I'd bet that if I shot him a a couple grand, he'd let me open Ron Paul's Chicken and Waffles somewhere in Harlem.

38 posted on 01/10/2008 5:13:23 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Proud2BeRight
Thanks, I'd seen that. He denies writing the portion about MLK. Many of the newsletters are full of personal anecdotes, like the Christmas greeting. I didn't write this, but that, ???

If you want to read some of the newsletters, they're linked in this post. Fifteen or so in the first link, the other six are threads on individual articles.

39 posted on 01/10/2008 5:32:05 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: ReignOfError
I repeat that I do not believe Dr. Paul is not a bigot or a conspiracy nut.

By your double negative, are you saying you believe is IS a bigot or conspiracy nut? That's how I would read it. But the balance of your statement implies otherwise.

40 posted on 01/10/2008 5:42:43 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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His follwers are committed and he is coming in fifth; he needs to get out beyond them now, and he isn’t winning new support with that.


41 posted on 01/10/2008 5:51:13 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Proud2BeRight
Trilateralists, lol! Remember the mom in So I Married an Axe Murderer?
42 posted on 01/10/2008 5:53:39 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
His follwers are committed and he is coming in fifth; he needs to get out beyond them now, and he isn’t winning new support with that.

I'd take issue with the 'committed' part. Many of his followers are using him as a pawn within the Republican ranks. There's little commitment on their part. Others, yes, they are committed Paulites.

The ones he has to get beyond are mostly in the first group. But part of the reason he isn't winning new support is that he isn't making an effort to get beyond those 'users'. On the contrary, he seems comfortable with the situation.

43 posted on 01/10/2008 5:57:52 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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You know what is interesting is that most people who are published keep copies of the publication they are in, heck, I’ve been published or accredited in three books and several magazines and I keep copies of all of them.

IF the Christmas greeting was penned by him, it seems logical that he would want/keep a copy of that, even initially. The argument that he never saw these newsletters just doesn’t fly.

44 posted on 01/10/2008 5:58:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bcsco

I’ll give you that, I agree. Unless I change it to ‘should be committed’?


45 posted on 01/10/2008 5:58:49 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Unless I change it to ‘should be committed’?

Oh, I'd go along with that...he, he!

46 posted on 01/10/2008 5:59:48 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: mnehrling
You know what is interesting is that most people who are published keep copies of the publication they are in, heck, I’ve been published or accredited in three books and several magazines and I keep copies of all of them.

The extent of my being published is having a letter to the editor of a history magazine published. That was back in the late '90's. I believe I still have that issue. So, yes, I'd agree most people would likely keep copies.

But the argument he never saw these is disingenuous. He never saw them yet he can make a statement that this issue has been around for over a decade. If he's known about the 'issue' for over a decade, he's known about the articles for that same period of time. As far as a statement of ignorance, 'that dog don't hunt'.

47 posted on 01/10/2008 6:08:09 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco

Grammatical error. I do not believe Dr. Paul is a bigot or a conspiracy nut. But he spends enough time among them, and little enough effort pushing them away, that I don’t think he has the judgment to be president. He emarrasses himself, and would embarrass the country.


48 posted on 01/10/2008 6:41:29 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

this is in bloggers? I think it’s big news that CNN has picked this up


49 posted on 01/10/2008 6:44:05 PM PST by RDTF
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To: ReignOfError
Grammatical error.

I figured it was. I wasn't calling you out, just wanted to be sure I understood.

Frankly I'm at the point where, if Ron Paul doesn't come up with concrete proof that these articles are in no way associated with him, I will not give him any further credibility on the racist or anti-semitic issues. Statements, denials without proof don't cut the mustard anymore.

50 posted on 01/11/2008 5:56:36 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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