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JUST SAY NO : To a third PARTY.. (Republican Party is NOT dead -- YET)
David Osborne ^ | TODAY | David Osborne

Posted on 02/08/2008 8:40:44 AM PST by davidosborne

REF Prev Threads: JUST SAY NO - To John McCain PART I

JUST SAY NO - To John McCain PART II (How the left will destroy John McCain..... MUST READ)

Okay.. here is MY two cents worth.... I have heard some chatter about a THIRD party push to offset the McCain factor.. I SAY NO !! and here is why....

I feel that the solution to the McCain factor is for CONSERVATIVES TO SUPPORT THE HILDABEAST OR OBAMA !! -- while at the same time PUSHING HARD to take back the House/Senate... what will happen is this.. we will send the message LOUD/CLEAR that our party is NOT DEAD -- but in serious need of some TOUGH LOVE !!

What I would LOVE to see is a lopsided victory for the HildaBeast or Obama as we take over control of congress to keep said President in check..

IF we choose the THIRD PARTY option we will NOT be able to get the MAJORITIES we need in congress to keep the President in check.. this is VITAL to our National Security and keeps the TWO-PARTY system in play.. which is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to getting anything done in CONGRESS !!


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KEYWORDS: 2008; anyonebutmccain; election; johnmccain; justsayno2johnmccain; spartansixdelta; thirdparty
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1 posted on 02/08/2008 8:40:53 AM PST by davidosborne
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To: politicallyincarrect; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 1Peter2:16; ...

Passing it on..

TOWARD VICTORY


2 posted on 02/08/2008 8:42:00 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne

Thanks so much for your personal opinion.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 8:44:19 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE

my pleasure


4 posted on 02/08/2008 8:46:21 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne

On a similar topic - my thoughts can be found here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965096/posts


5 posted on 02/08/2008 8:51:21 AM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: davidosborne
I will not support evil whether there's an (R) or a (D) after the candidate.

You've lost it, Dave. Take me off your ping list.

6 posted on 02/08/2008 8:51:54 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: davidosborne
If the Republican party refuses to be conservative there is no reason to preserve it. Period. Conservative ideals were around before there was a Republican party.

And they will outlast the Republican party.

Semper Fidelis

7 posted on 02/08/2008 8:53:55 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: davidosborne

I will continue to support a man who has a proven record of conservative sucess.


8 posted on 02/08/2008 8:54:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: davidosborne
If McCain is nominated it shows we no longer have a two party system and the GOP can show anyone down our throats. McCain is like Hillary and Obama.

How is Obama better than McCain in voters' eyes? Unlike McCain's wife Cindy who is unfit for First Lady, Obama's wife appears dignified and intelligent. Unlike the nasty, creepy, and mentally unstable McCain, Obama is charming, pleasant, in control of his emotions, and appears normal. Unlike McCain with his scandals, Obama has no history of adultery or mistreatment of his wife. Unlike short McCain with lumps on his face that might indicate steroid use or serious illness, Obama looks healthy and pleasant and is much taller. While these might be minor point in choosing POTUS, many voters are influenced by them.

Thus, an unacceptable McCain will no doubt send a segment of Republicans to Obama. I am still hoping that McCain will not be the nominee but the chances are slim.

9 posted on 02/08/2008 8:55:01 AM PST by Dante3
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To: CounterCounterCulture

My FRiend.. you missed the point.. IMHO if we allow McCain to lose by a narrow margin our party IS DEAD... period... however if he loses by a HUGE margin and we take control of congress the RNC/GOP will get the message....


10 posted on 02/08/2008 8:55:01 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

You’ve lost it, Dave.


Well I think you first have to have it before you can lose it........

Yep FR now the supporters of Hillary and Obama..... lol.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 8:56:15 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: MrEdd

I agree but the PARTY is not going away easily.. creating a THIRD party only splits the vote making it even easier for the left to take control without a majority


12 posted on 02/08/2008 8:56:23 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne

BTTT


13 posted on 02/08/2008 8:58:42 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: davidosborne

I disagree with you on this one David. The Republican Party is moving inexoribly toward the left and we need to create an alternative. There are enough conservatives unhappy this year that we could mount a credible third party challenge if we could recruit the right candidate. I agree that we should continue to support conservative Republican Congressmen and Senators (maybe we can eventually talk them into switching parties if we can get a conservative third party established). However, we need to start the process of creating a serious conservative alternative to the Republican Party.


14 posted on 02/08/2008 8:59:58 AM PST by dschapin
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To: davidosborne
Republican Party is NOT dead, not at the end.

No but you should be able to smell and see the California Republican Party from where you are.

About ten years ago the California Republican Party decided that the path to success was to be less "divisive." (You could not read a "news"paper without seeing Republican and divisive as one.) Prominent national Republicans like Jack Kemp, Bill Bennett, and Jeb Bush helped the effort by spreading the lie that Prop 187 had damaged the Party.

Since then there have been, I believe, three Republicans elected to statewide offices including "star power" Schwarzenkennedy.

Thus is the reason I believe that the Party is run by Democrat moles.

15 posted on 02/08/2008 9:07:46 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Dante3
Unlike short McCain with lumps on his face that might indicate steroid use or serious illness,

You are a sick puppy.

The swelling on McCain's face is from cancer surgery in 2002.

Obama is the one who has abused drugs.

16 posted on 02/08/2008 9:12:07 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: davidosborne
if the Republican is left, then the left has control. and I am counting on the Republican party not "going down easily" I intend for the condition to be that the only way for it not to go down is to return to conservatism. That is very achievable. I want the Republican party to return to conservatism in order to not Die. but if it wont I will work to raise a party that will help kill it.

If things get bad enough - as I pointed out in post 7, political direction is no longer decided by votes and courts. In that event my ideals triumph without much risk of being effectively countered by the left. And the left is well aware of this. What do you think prompted the Haditha etc... prosecutions of our troops in the middle east? Those dog and pony shows aren't just to win votes from Berkeley moonbats. It is (im my estimation) an ill conceived attempt to counter the left in America's mortal weakness.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 9:22:30 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: freespirited
Do not twist my words and skip the attitude. I specifically stated how he would look to many voters - right or wrong. As for being sick, it is important for POTUS to be healthy both physically and mentally. Unlikely the lumps are from long ago cancer unless it has returned.

Studies have shown that many people do make choices on trivial criteria whether you like it or not.

18 posted on 02/08/2008 9:50:25 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3

The swelling has been there since he had the surgery.

He has made clear that he gets checked every three months.

A lot fewer people say they would definitely vote against McCain than said that about the very healthy looking Romney. Tells you something about how concerned people are with the swelling on his face.


19 posted on 02/08/2008 9:56:21 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: freespirited
I have never claimed that physical appearance is the ONLY criteria. Studies have shown that it does play a role - which is not to say that it should. Try to think logically. What is true and what we want to be true are not the same. And yes, appearance can work in reverse sometimes also - there is envy against those who are highly successful and handsome.

McCain as compared to Obama, does look creepy, weird, unstable. McCain certainly is nasty and not the brightest.

20 posted on 02/08/2008 10:19:29 AM PST by Dante3
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To: davidosborne

Clinton’s primary objective will be to cement her power so that no conservative idea will ever see the light of day ever again.

Are you thinking that we can recover from a Clinton presidency in 2012 or 2016? WRONG.

>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>

She will push for amnesty and thus create 20-30 million new democrat voters.

She will appoint liberal judges that cannot be removed by an election cycle; and they serve as an additional law making branch for the liberals.

She will enact the Fairness Doctrine to silence dissenting conservative voices. Expect some controls on the internet as well.

She will use her influence in the MSM to ridicule anything conservative.

She will use FBI files to embarass anyone who challenges her. She’s done it before and will do it again.

She will restrict homeschooling and force children into the public school system of indoctrination. With no threat of vouchers, homeschoolers or other kinds of accountability, public “educators” will be free to make our children into good little democrat-youths.

She will enact strict gun laws, thus eliminating any chance of an armed revolt against the tyranny she intends to produce.

And her socialism programs will be difficult to reverse. How do you undo socialized medicine; we haven’t been able to reverse socialized retirement.

And Clintons don’t believe that they have to adhere to the Constitution; only when it can be interpretted to their benefit.

>>>

A Clinton presidency will be the death of American conservatism.

Forever.


21 posted on 02/08/2008 10:28:10 AM PST by kidd
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To: Dante3

You are so right; millions of uninformed Americans do vote on physical appearance, poise, demeanor, etc. It’s all they can comprehend.


22 posted on 02/08/2008 10:31:23 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: davidosborne

And what happens if we do not take the House and/or the Senate and the Democrats have full power?

Gay marriage, liberal Supreme Court, partial birth abortions galore, condom instructions in kindergarten, universal health care, John Edwards as Attorney General promoting open season on doctors, a military that looks like the Netherlands with gays galore and a union, Bill Clinton touring the world giving zipper lessons, only unisex public restrooms allowed, our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, Guantanamo closed and the prisoners free to wander at will to sue each one of us for false imprisonment—for starters. Extremely high taxes and government control of what we are allowed to eat and drink.

Eventually Sharia law after friendly conversations with Ahmahdinejad, Hamas and others fail and our daughters and grandaughters losing all rights as women and being treated as less than a goat.

I’m 74 so I don’t have that many years ahead of me but this is not what I want to leave to my children and grandchildren or anyone else’s.


23 posted on 02/08/2008 10:33:04 AM PST by GoldwaterChick (Never give in, never give in, never, never, never give in. Winston Churchill Oct. 29, 1941)
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To: kidd

You said it much better than I. I’m glad to know someone shares my feelings.


24 posted on 02/08/2008 10:36:15 AM PST by GoldwaterChick (Never give in, never give in, never, never, never give in. Winston Churchill Oct. 29, 1941)
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To: davidosborne
David, you say for us not to split the vote, but you are advocating voting FOR Hillary? That makes no sense at all. If splitting the vote makes it easier for the left, what the heck do you think voting FOR them does?

Pushing for more conservative reps and senators is a great idea, but certainly nothing new. We've been doing that for years, and losing. Putting Hillary or Obama in the White House is nothing short of idiotic.

25 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:04 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

don’t judge the plan too quickly without thinking it thru my FRiend... IF we devote our resources to the CONSERVATIVE senators/reps we have a chance to make EVERY congressional district a NATIONAL issue/concern... and WE THE CONSERVATIVES will send a message LOUD AND CLEAR to GOP that we WILL NOT support a liberal for the WhiteHouse just because he/she has an “R” next to their name...


26 posted on 02/08/2008 12:28:21 PM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

if we rally behind McCain.. we are sending a message to the GOP that we WILL vote for liberal just because he has an “R” next to his name.. and be in this exact same predicament in 2012.. at least “giving” the White House to the other side will make us STRONGER in 2012 instead of 2016..


27 posted on 02/08/2008 12:30:35 PM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: kidd

a CLINTON presidency would be POWERLESS if we held the MAJORITY of CONGRESS..


28 posted on 02/08/2008 12:32:04 PM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne

Really?

Remember the FBI files? “Dear Senator x - I’m interested on how you intend to vote for the amnesty bill. Can I call you at home or will you be at your mistress’ house?”

Control of the MSM: “Tonight on Hardball: Congressman x intends to block the new gun control legislation...tonight we speak with the parents of children who have died from gunshots in the congressman’s own district.”

SCOTUS justices: “Lets reevaluate the role of congress in the nomination of federal judges. The Constitution does not allow congress to block those that I appoint!”


29 posted on 02/08/2008 1:05:23 PM PST by kidd
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To: davidosborne

At this point, I hope Huckabee plays the heck out of his bass and that he stays in the race. He’s not McCain whom I will never vote for. Huckabee is pro-life, not wobbly-life.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 1:12:32 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 ...JUAN MCCAIN wants me to calm down. LOL LOL)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; davidosborne

Ditto....I’m done with the RINO party. When they decide to elect conservatives, let me know and I may reconsider.

Meanwhile, I don’t need pings from someone encouraging me to vote for communists or RINOs.


31 posted on 02/08/2008 2:04:54 PM PST by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: davidosborne
David I understand the situation. I felt the same way about Giuliani. I still don't think, even with all of my ranting, that I could have allowed hillary into the white house just because I couldn't stand the fake republican.

As someone else has pointed out - hillary already knows the power she will have inside that building. She knows the FBI files and the IRS contacts. She hates the military and will do everything in her power to destroy it.

If for no other reason than to preserve and protect our sons, husbands, fathers in uniform, I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain. I'd rather have a 5% conservative in there than a 100% communist. Screw the GOP - don't send the money- send hateful letters demanding better candidates - but don't give the White House to hillary to prove a point.

You don't have to keep responding to me because I'm not going to cave in on this. I despise and fear hillary a lot more than I do McCain.

32 posted on 02/08/2008 3:11:17 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: davidosborne
McCain can't count on my vote! He definitely isn't getting my vote in the TX primary in early March. That is another burr under my saddle! TX and Ohio--both with many more electoral votes than New Hampshire--have no voice in who the nominee will be.

In TX we have NO--ZERO-- Dems in statewide elected office, yet our votes for the GOP POTUS nominee won't count.

The system is broke and needs to be fixed!

33 posted on 02/08/2008 3:29:31 PM PST by lonestar
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To: davidosborne
.....CONSERVATIVES TO SUPPORT THE HILDABEAST OR OBAMA

I would love to explain to you how voting for a third party conservative would accomplish the same as what you propose, but I don't think you'd get it. While my vote will not get a conservative elected, it will send a message, and it will be true to my beliefs.

Please remove me from your ping list.

Thanks, and good luck to you.

34 posted on 02/08/2008 4:05:10 PM PST by dfwddr
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To: davidosborne

I can’t and won’t vote for Hillary or Obama in the general. I have no idea what I’m going to do in Nov. but I do know I won’t cast a vote for him or her, directly.

I got a call today from the RNC. I assume it was local, since I didn’t give the poor woman a chance to speak after she mentioned RNC. I said to stop right there, after the choices I was given to vote on Tuesday, I’m done with listening to the RNC on these calls. She was very polite as was I.


35 posted on 02/08/2008 5:13:38 PM PST by Twink
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To: dfwddr

here is another reason why a vote FOR the HildaBEAST or Obama is better than either a third party vote OR a McCain vote....... A lopsided victory for the HILDAbeast will CLEARLY show that her “win” was illegimitate.. IF we make it “close race” between the HildaBEAST or Obama and McCain it would NOT send the right message to the WORLD !! A move towards a third party will only serve to split the conservative base... WE HAVE the majority.. there is no question about that.. but a 60% PLUS majority that is split will ALWAYS LOSE.. we need to keep the 2-party system alive and well..


36 posted on 02/09/2008 7:36:28 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I am not trying to argue the merits of my idea, just asking folks to at this think it through... if the pundits jump on board with McCain and “hold their nose” and vote.. we will just be sending the message to the RNC that we WILL vote for ANYONE with an “R” just because they are an “R” -— However under my plan the WORLD will know that the HILDAbeast victory was ILLEGIMATE.. and this will be FURTHER demonstrated by the fact that the conservative base in America has “sat out” the Presidential race, and directed their time/money to the congressional seats..... yet another FACT is this..... the republicans in congress will have a much easier time oposing the HILDAbeast and keeping her in check than they would oposing a liberal in the whitehouse that has an “R” next to his name, AND that they SUPPORTED in the race...


37 posted on 02/09/2008 7:55:13 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne
David, have you completely forgotten last May and the immigration votes? We hit our Senators and Congressmen with letters, faxes, emails, phone calls demanding they vote against our Republican President's wishes. They heard us and turned against him.

We can do that every time McCain tries to pull off a liberal vote. Do you not think that some of our Congressmen feel the same way we do about McCain and know they are going to have to buck him to keep their jobs?

Voting in Hillary like a spoiled child stomping our feet is insane. Putting mccain in, even if we don't agree with 75% of his crap, is better than hillary with 100% crap.

We don't have to completely give up the ship to reach our destination - I will never vote for hillary.

38 posted on 02/09/2008 8:08:27 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
yes we could while at the same time DESTROYING the two-party system.. which is essential for conservatives to lead our country...

JUST SAY NO : To John McCain (and ANY "conservative" who endorses him)

Here is my plan for victory in 2012 !!!

39 posted on 02/10/2008 8:36:35 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: deport

I agree. Who is the David Osborne so many seem to blindly follow?


40 posted on 02/12/2008 6:29:34 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: deport

I agree. Who is the David Osborne so many seem to blindly follow?


41 posted on 02/12/2008 6:29:39 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: davidosborne
we will send the message LOUD/CLEAR that our party is NOT DEAD


42 posted on 02/12/2008 6:55:02 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Lumper20

blindly follow ?? LOL.... Don’t follow my idea because of WHO I am.... Follow my idea because it’s a GREAT IDEA... but if you want to read my resume’ feel free

http://www.DavidOsborne.net


43 posted on 02/13/2008 7:04:56 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: Lumper20

blindly follow ?? LOL.... Don’t follow my idea because of WHO I am.... Follow my idea because it’s a GREAT IDEA... but if you want to read my resume’ feel free

http://www.DavidOsborne.net


44 posted on 02/13/2008 7:06:55 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
We can do that every time McCain tries to pull off a liberal vote

YES that is true we CAN.. while at the same time making our party look like a bunch of IDIOTS... it is a LOT easier to fight an enemy than it is to fight the folks in your own party.. we have proven THAT fact over and over... I say we GIVE HildaBEAST/Obama a 4 year fight, and try again in 2012.. maybe the RNC will quit ignoring the BASE !!!

45 posted on 02/13/2008 7:09:51 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne

Tell that to Elian Gonzales and David Garesh.


46 posted on 02/13/2008 7:37:04 AM PST by jmyrlefuller (The future of the United States of America is in our hands. Do not abuse it.)
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To: davidosborne
David, I'm trying to be nice here, but your insistence that we should GIVE the freaking Presidency to Hillary or Obama is insane. Have you considered the Supreme Court? The Military? She and Pelosi together could ruin our economy in 4 years.

I'm not happy with McCain but I won't hand the White House to a clinton again, ever. Please stop trying to convince me of this.

47 posted on 02/13/2008 7:42:10 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

here are the choices my FRiend.. a 4 year CIVIL WAR will destroy our party... but a 4 year COMBAT TOUR will energize it... and the base will NEVER be ignored again...


48 posted on 02/13/2008 7:48:42 AM PST by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne
Have you forgotten that this is exactly what got us Bill Clinton? Trying to show the GOP we would not be ignored? Perot - did we teach the GOP a lesson? WE got Moderate George Bush and we KNEW he was a moderate, but we were so thrilled to NOT have another dem we worked hard to get him into office.

Why would fighting McCain be any different than fighting against President Bush? He's giving the country away to Mexico as we speak. $1.4 billion being earmarked for the southern Mexico border initiated by President Bush. How is giving the White House back to Hillary better than just continuing to fight and getting a few things our way?

Until someone steps up who is truly conservative, we will have to settle for a mccain and be happy it isn't hillary

49 posted on 02/13/2008 8:04:22 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: davidosborne

I read your resume.


50 posted on 02/13/2008 9:45:33 AM PST by Lumper20
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