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Hughesnet Sattelite internet vs. Verizon DSL
Self | 8 May AD 2008 | Lightman

Posted on 05/08/2008 5:28:28 PM PDT by lightman

I live in an area which is not served by cable TV companies. That has limited the Internet access choices to either dial-up or sattelite. I currently have both, using dial-up on my MacOS9 and Hughesnet on the PCs.

I have learned that DSL has suddenly been extended to my area by Verizon. Hughesnet is costing roughly $90.00/month for less than satisfactory service because of their "Fair Access Policy" and because towering thunderheads frequently block the sattelite signal. I could get Verizon DSL for about $30.00/month--and if the in-house networking goes right, I might even be able to ditch the dial-up and second phone line for still greater savings.

But before I leap forward with what seems a no-brainer I would like to hear from those who are current or former Verizon DSL customer; especially those who have also had sattelite.

Would going to DSL be a good move?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: dsl; help; hughesnet; internet
Your experience/advice/comments greatly appreciated!
1 posted on 05/08/2008 5:32:01 PM PDT by lightman
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To: wattojawa

Ping.


2 posted on 05/08/2008 5:32:27 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: lightman

DSL is good. OS-X good too, btw.


3 posted on 05/08/2008 5:35:40 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: lightman

I’m very happy with our AT&T bundle: High Speed Internet (average about 54 Mbps), telephone with unlimited long-distance and the new U-verse television (400 channels, some HD and a DVR) for about $110 month.


4 posted on 05/08/2008 5:40:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: lightman

I think it would, but I don’t think you will realize a lot of money saved: I used to have AT&Tdialup and local telephone service was provided by Verizon. About 2 years ago I decided to go DSL with Verizon and keep the local phone service ... my bill is now $83-85/mo; I do not call long distance with verizon. Verizon offered an introductory rate for DSL but I think it only lasted for about 6 months. I hope this helps you decide.


5 posted on 05/08/2008 5:40:22 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: lightman

I have DSL, and am very satisfied with it. However, Verizon is installing Fiber Optics soon, and I have signed up for it. DSL has different speeds, but I have the $30 Verizon subscription and speed is not a problem.


6 posted on 05/08/2008 5:40:43 PM PDT by hoppity
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To: lightman

> I live in an area which is not served by cable TV companies.

Make sure about that.

There’s no “cable” (or DSL) here either, but two competing
local operators offer wireless LAN. The one we picked is
using Motorola Canopy technology. It has been more reliable
than either AT&T dialtone or REA kilowatts. The 700 Kb
level service is $35/mo.

No FAP.
Upload speed = download speed.


7 posted on 05/08/2008 5:41:15 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: lightman
Would going to DSL be a good move?

I have neither, but I do have dialup but if you don't want to pay $80 for dialup speeds, yeah. I've test-drove Starband and Hughes Net and neither are as fast as 56k. They're great if you want to free up the only phone line in your house, but you're not going to get a whole lot of enjoyment being penalized under their FAP's.

8 posted on 05/08/2008 5:41:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: hoppity; lightman

I had Verizon DSL and was very happy with it. Reliable, fast downloads, etc. Then my wife decided to “upgrade” us to FiOS. After months of flaky routers, Verizon finally supplied us with one that doesn’t go catatonic at least once per day


9 posted on 05/08/2008 5:44:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: MrLee

First things first:

If you want city level service out in the sticks, either pay for it by having a microwave link or T-1 line strung to your house, or expect to be disappointed.

DSL is dependent upon distance from the telco switch, satellite will always be slow because of latencies between ground and far up in space. Cable may work, but that is entirely up to your provider - many have incompatible wiring setups.

Or petition your congress critter for another subsidy for “poor rural folk”.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 5:45:58 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: lightman

I switched from cable broadband to DSL when the cable charges became exorbitant. Although the nominal bandwidth is less, the perceived speed is often greater because the latency is less (usually), and FAR less than satellite. This is Verizon’s $14.95/month “for life” program (actually only until they discontinue the 768 kbps service). It’s fast enough for me.


11 posted on 05/08/2008 5:46:58 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’m very happy with our AT&T bundle: High Speed Internet (average about 54 Mbps)

Did you say 54Mbps? Could I get you to run a speedtest.net test and post back the linked image so we can see 54 Mbps? I just ran one and here's the 2.3 Mbps result (the site provides you a link to post your speed result on a forum.)


12 posted on 05/08/2008 5:47:04 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: GreenAccord

Do you have another link? This is what showed up: Document Not Found
Sorry, the requested document does not exist on this server.


13 posted on 05/08/2008 5:50:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: lightman

There used to a restriction with DSL. If you lived more than one mile from the Central Office, your service was less than exemplary. If they have overcome that distance problem, DSL beats satellite hands down, especially on a rainy or snowy day (not to mention the cost). Of course, if you live within a mile of the CO, go with DSL (I would never have satellite again unless that happened to be my only choice.

I have had satellite, DSL, now cable, and find cable to be the best if available however.

Just my opinion.


14 posted on 05/08/2008 5:51:46 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: lightman
I am in almost exactly the same position. The problem with the satellites is latency and throttling. We are just now getting Verizon coverage where I live so I went over to a neighbor to check it out. It was faster than the satellite especially on the latency, but it would inexplicably pause. I think it was throttling but instead of slowing the rate down it was periodically cutting it off.

My neighbor is considering going back to dial up : ( WiMax is on the way, supposedly.

I use the satellite for big downloads and a Modem for quick response. I am almost to the point of chucking the satellite service because of throttling. The satellites are over subscribed.

15 posted on 05/08/2008 5:56:21 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: glorgau
If you want city level service out in the sticks,

Here's the irony--I'm 3 miles from a busy exit of a northeast corridor Interstate. Cable lines are within a mile of my road which has 16 potential customers within 3/4 of a mile...BUT...because they would have to span a half mile with no customers in order to get to us, no deal.

I knew that there was no cable when I built out here 16 years ago...of course, back then I didn't even have a computer and the Internet wasn't on my horizon. Now 90% of my messages are email and phone voice mail has tailed off to next to none.

16 posted on 05/08/2008 5:57:28 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
oops, didn't need the dub-dub-dubs!

here you go!

17 posted on 05/08/2008 6:10:39 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: lightman

Unless you have an utterly incompetant DSL provider, it’s a no-brainer of a decision. For one thing, the DSL should be cheaper, and offer bigger bandwidth, for less money than your Sat company. Also, if you plan to, or *do* use any online interactive resources or games, you will see a marked decrease in “lag time”. That being, while the Sat link, can
Download and upload at a pretty good clip, once it starts transmitting, there is lag time while requests are sent up to, and back down from the sattelite. Not good when speed of interaction is key. Saty DLing a movie would go just as fast as a DSL DL, at the same speed, but in a online game, an opponant would be several moves ahead of you, before you saw his first on your screen.

But if possible, check to see if you can find out the DSL companys rep for service in other areas, before making the leap, and if all still looks good...definitely! Make the jump!

That’s the opinion of *this* DSL subscriber.


18 posted on 05/08/2008 6:11:15 PM PDT by DGHoodini ("I never did believe you much, anyway...")
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To: lightman

Slow, unreliable Hughes for $90/month, Reliable, faster cheaper Verizon for $30/month, hummmm tough decision, not. Now if you would just drop the Mac or load Windows on it and you would be in business.


19 posted on 05/08/2008 6:18:49 PM PDT by redangus
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To: lightman

> Would going to DSL be a good move?

Should be a lot cheaper and more reliable, and have much lower latency. If you are one of the first in your area, be patient but report all problems until they are fixed. After than it should be fine. Don’t turn off your satellite access until your DSL is working fairly well.


20 posted on 05/08/2008 6:30:47 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: GreenAccord

Verizon DSL, Washington DC server:

Up 737 kb/s
Down 137 kb/s


21 posted on 05/08/2008 6:45:05 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite

Oops, let me redact that:

Verizon DSL, Washington DC server:

Down 737 kb/s
Up 134 kb/s


22 posted on 05/08/2008 6:47:02 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: GreenAccord
54Mbps - that's either some high-dollar connection or that's the speed of the wireless connection to his router.
23 posted on 05/08/2008 6:57:56 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: lightman

I use Verizon DSL. I’ve never had a dropout that I know of, and it is fast enough, but not particularly blazing fast. We can watch TV shows on the internet and it occasionally freezes up.

We got the DSL moden with wireless router built-in, and I haven’t had any trouble with it. We all sit around with our laptops and surf.

I could have Comcast Cable, but I hate giving them any money, even though I haven’t dropped my cable yet — I’m nervous about switching to DirectTV, and we don’t have Verison FIOS vailable yet.


24 posted on 05/08/2008 7:02:51 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GreenAccord
I've used the site once in a while. Here's a run from tonight, using Verizon DSL.
25 posted on 05/08/2008 7:08:24 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: lightman

I’ve had Verizon DSL for 4 years up here in southern New Hampshire. Love it! Never had a problem. Easy to install yourself. Meanwhile, I hear co-workers complain constantly about Comcast.

Unfortunately, Verizon recently sold its northern New England fixed line operation to FairPoint. I’m staying with DSL. So far, so good with the changeover.


26 posted on 05/08/2008 7:27:14 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: lightman

I have had Verizon DSL for three years now. I have the higher speed version for $30 per month. Before moving to this area, I had Cox Cable internet which costed around $40 per month. I cannot tell any difference between them.

Verizon service here is Palm Desert, CA has been excellent. Very reliable - maybe one or two short interruptions in three years. Plus, Verizon service techs are easy to reach and very helpful, especially when I added a wireless PC. We now run two desktop PCs on a Verizon wireless modem. One is hardwired to the modem and one runs wirelessly.

Our community also has Verizion Fios fiber optic service. I have chosen to stay with DSL because Fios is $20 more per month. Unless you are doing a huge amount of downloads or uploads, as in running a business from your home, it is not worth the money.

With DSL, you will drop your dial up service as you never will want to use it again.


27 posted on 05/08/2008 7:27:41 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: lightman; LeGrande
I was in EXACTLY the same situation two years ago. Newly developed area and Verizon didn't have DSL capabilities in the area when when moved in. Decided to go with HughesNet rather than dial up.

It was OK - better than dial-up. Problem was that my wife worked from home and her company used a VPN network. VPN is NOT supported by HughesNet (despite what their marketing info says....) Ended up having to get a wireless card for her laptop until DSL arrived.

Had we been told truthfully that they didn't service VPN, we wouldn't have invested the money. If you have any special needs for particular services I wouldn't suggest HughesNet.

28 posted on 05/08/2008 7:34:59 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: GreenAccord
I have ATT DSL


29 posted on 05/08/2008 7:46:51 PM PDT by Dan Walsh (Thompson/Bolton 08)
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To: lightman
Yes. I have what is called Naked DSL with Windstream. My phone is $1.99 a month. I cannot make any Long Distant calls, but I can call toll free numbers. I also get charged 10 cents a call. I do not use my home phone much. Always on my cell (also use it for long distance)

I pay 29.99 a month for Extreme DSL which is 6.0 Mbs down and I 350 up (Just for the record I have clocked it). My down is usually 5.9 and my up is 330 Mbs. Its fantastic I love it. I am also running WIFI at the house. I use a 17” lap top computer. So I can work any where in the house.

30 posted on 05/08/2008 7:47:52 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: GreenAccord

My test ran 8834/1918...Comcast @ 19.99/month


31 posted on 05/08/2008 7:55:00 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Tatze

Bump for later.


32 posted on 05/08/2008 8:10:39 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: GreenAccord; lightman

Have the 1.5/0.5 Verizon DSL; refused to 'upgrade' to fibre as it costs more now and will get more expensive later. This is similar to the stupid Touch-Tone vs. Rotary Dial charges; with the advent of the ESS switching gear they had to put converters in the COs for their dial lines, yet charged the TT lines every month. Gotta admit they did make more money that way!

33 posted on 05/08/2008 8:44:29 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: lightman

Other posters have referenced the delay issue, which will prohibit VoIP and some interactive games.

Another thing that often happens with the satellite software drivers is that you cannot run VPN - if you need to run VPN drivers to connect to a corporate network (eg), then you might be out of luck with a satellite link.

One other thing that others have not mentioned is that all three of the major satellite carriers (Hughes, Gilat and WildBlue) is that they have per-week or per-month usage quotas, and when you exceed these quotas, your speed is restricted (sometimes severely) for as long as it takes to get the moving average bandwidth back below the throttling threshold.

For Gilat (formerly “Starband”), the quota used to be about 780MB over a seven day rolling period; ie, if you used more than 976MB of download b/w in the last seven days, they’d throttle you. For you to get unthrottled, you’d have to use as little bandwidth as possible so that within the most recent seven days, you’d use some lower limit - like less than 500MB.

The trouble with the throttling is that their DNS server starts to drop your packets when you’re throttled, so you cannot resolve named and you have to keep hitting the “reload” button on your browser.

Oh - one more thing about satellite ISP’s: During the spring and fall equinox periods, you lose satellite connectivity as the sun lines up behind the bird for about 90 minutes for about 3 to 7 days during these periods.


34 posted on 05/08/2008 9:37:52 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: lightman
I can't get DSL where I now live (Condo complex not wired for it) but I wish I could.I had Verizon DSL in my last residence and liked it.It was dependable,gave me all the speed I needed (I don't download music or videos) and was pretty cheap (when compared to the cable broadband I have now).

And no,I don't work for Verizon.

35 posted on 05/09/2008 6:52:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; All

I didn’t really need much convicing—faster speed, no FAP throttle, lower cost.

Reliability and tech support were my concerns and you have addressed those throughly.

DSL, here I come!


36 posted on 05/09/2008 8:43:24 AM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: doc1019

As the telcos have upgraded their equipment, they have added DSL nodes so that the “central office” is now a little box. They run fibre to the box and the neighborhood has fast DSL service.

Once AT+T upgraded my area, I went from 3Mbps to 6Mbps.

Verizon is working to roll out fibre to the door, so their DSL service should be fast.

With AT+T DSL, I have consistently gotten the speeds I pay for, even during peak hours. Cable slows noticeably during peak evening hours.


37 posted on 05/09/2008 9:15:41 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: NVDave
During the spring and fall equinox periods, you lose satellite connectivity as the sun lines up behind the bird for about 90 minutes for about 3 to 7 days during these periods.

Wow, learn something new every day. I think Hughesnet is a 24 hour quota. I've only exceeded it once with help from some teenagers. Once they throttled my connection it was basically unusable. I could get a tiny web page or two, but could not do IMAP or SMTP to get or send email.

38 posted on 05/09/2008 9:22:27 AM PDT by palmer
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To: palmer
I think Hughesnet is a 24 hour quota. I've only exceeded it once with help from some teenagers. Once they throttled my connection it was basically unusable. I could get a tiny web page or two, but could not do IMAP or SMTP to get or send email.

Hughesnet changed its FAP about a year ago. It had been reasonable and now is draconian. When you've been FAPped your service is a useless POS...slower than 28.8 dialup. DSL here I come!

39 posted on 05/09/2008 12:59:24 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: NVDave

Wildblue has a pretty draconian FAP as well.


40 posted on 05/13/2008 6:07:46 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; hoppity; PapaBear3625; steve86; DGHoodini; CharlesWayneCT; LibFreeOrDie; CdMGuy; ...

Thanks for all your input a fortnight ago.

Just got the bad news today: Engineering has determined that I am too far from central office to get reliable DSL.

$hit! I was looking forward to saving at least $50 bucks a month and possibly another $45 if I could connect the dial-up Mac to the router.

Saying that I’m jealous of you guys would be the understatement of the century.


41 posted on 05/23/2008 9:00:45 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon)
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