Posted on 05/13/2008 6:48:52 AM PDT by Bowtie52
The time has come for America to make a choice. The arch enemy of Socialism is Individual Rights. The 08 election has become a referendum that will determine which path America will take. As the primary issues are presented IE immigration, economy or the wars that are currently taking place, everyone wants to discuss the stance each candidate will take. The media will parse the words and regurgitate them in light of “how” the candidate has either voted or expressed himself on related issues. They might draw a line indicating that on “XYZ” issue the candidate is conservative or liberal but that’s as far as it goes. At no time are issues framed to reflect candidate’s response to individual rights VS communal rights. This is THE primary issue and the pabulum the media spews avoids even the words that describe it.
The government is not in place to guard “our” rights as Americans. Either we guard them or they go away as the government wants to absorb them more than “We the People” seem to. The First Amendment, the Right to Free Speech has been challenged to the point of mockery by Atheist groups, advocates for same sex marriage and flag burners etc. While judges occupy their time and energy with such nonsense, the Christian’s rights, as well as other groups have become severely curtailed. IE; High School students are told what they can and can’t say in a graduating address. Homeowners associations are busy telling us what is and isn’t permissible to do with OUR homes, which of OUR trees can and can’t be cut etc. The Federal and State confiscatory tax burden has become oppressive and been used to fund a social engineering agenda. In essence, the “right” to be an antonymous individual is becoming less and less valid. Every aspect of life has become controlled by some presiding authority. This election is THE tool our forefathers left us to reverse the trend.
This is not the Nation we inherited from our parent’s generation and it should not be the legacy we leave to our kids. The enemies of Freedom are everywhere. Their job is to usurp individual rights. To date, we, the Baby Boomers, have allowed it. How much further will we go with it? The antithesis of Socialism IS Individual rights. This includes the right to be left alone, unobserved, unburdened and independent. As we select a candidate in the 08 election, the choice is clear; the unbridled imposition of the nanny State or reclaiming our individual rights. How this takes place starts with the willingness to fight for what we believe as our forefathers were willing to do.
We have no choice. The media and the GOP elite have seen to that. Socialism under Hussein or Hillary, or socialism under Captain Queeg. All 3 are liberals committed to higher taxes and an ever more powerful federal government. McCain will rob us of our rights just as surely as Hillary or Hussein.
“Socialism is the incremental takeover of society by its rulers
Communism is socialism at gunpoint. Communists are socialists in a hurry”-— unknown
To answer the question of the heading: F%#k NO
Excellent post, except for the reference to the ‘08 election (I assume you mean Presidential). Too late this time: At this time in the election cycle I can’t support anyone who is going to draw a minority of votes that potentially allows Obama to win.
What are we supposed to do since both the Republican and the Democratic candidates for POTUS are really socialists along with many other politicians at every level?
“We have no choice.”
Exactly. God HELP America!
Communists are Socialists that figured out that some people won’t “cooperate”.
“Socialism; say Yes or No”
NO.
Of course we have a choice! Good grief, what do you whining whoosies think this nation was founded on? As Dennis Hopper says, “My friend, you need a plan”. The people perish for lack of a vision. One man or woman with a dream or a vision can ignite a movement. That, my friend, is America.
Ladies and Gentlemen....
I beg to differ. America has a choice. While our choice in Presidential candidates has somehow been dictated to us by some lame-brained dumbasses in the various parties, we certainly DO have a CHOICE.
We have a choice as free Americans to NOT take what is handed to us, or shoved down our throats. However, we DO have a system in which we need to work first.
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m going to vote for McCain.
And then I’m going to oppose him every step of the way, and I would urge you all to do the same when it comes to things like raising taxes, leaving our borders open and pulling us out of the rest of the world.
Americans need to understand that WE ARE STILL IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY.
Those leftists who are incrementally attempting to change our children need to be stopped, and they need to be stopped LOUDLY and pointedly.
Some day, this may come to violence with the opposition - and I hope it doesn’t but you should chose your side carefully and thoughtfully and not continue hammering on McCain because you don’t like him.
It’s time to vote for what semblance of conservatism we have LEFT and force the new President to move as far right as we can force him to go.
Don’t give up, don’t give in to all the nay-sayers and don’t be a nay-sayer yourself. Let’s get this in high gear, put a “Republican” (even if he IS a RINO), he isn’t B. Hussein Obama” who is a dyed-in-the-wool SOCIALIST. We’re one step from being “Europeanized” folks!
Do NOT let that happen.
Kick CAIR out of this country.
Tell the ACLU to clam up.
Stop the schools from teaching political correctness.
Put someone in office who MIGHT be a liberal but certainly isn’t a Socialist.
Stop your damned BITCHING and get to work LOCALLY like the rest of us are doing, pushing for conservatives in Congress and other offices.
Stop worrying so much about the President, elect McCain and NOT Obama.
And We DO have a Choice, God BLESS America!
Unless he chooses Huckabee as his running mate.
One point about an item in your article.
People CHOOSE to purchase homes in subdivisions with HOAs. Thus, they have already, and voluntarily, answered “Socialism YES”. AFTER you settle on a house or property is the WRONG time to decide that you don’t like having someone else tell you what color your front door must be.
The ansewer is simple: Study carefully and DON’T buy a house or property anywhere where there is an HOA or POA. If enough people followed that advice, the HOA would Go Away!
You reminded me of what a writer named Robert Ringer wrote in a precient book some decades ago titled "How To Find Happiness During the Fall of Western Civilization." He said.......
"A liberal is a closet Socialist, and a Socialist is a closet Communist."
He won’t do that. He has to have a running mate who can run as an incumbent on his own later. Huckabee is NOT that man.
I honestly wish someone would point blank ask McCain if he believes America needs a larger central government.
Sometimes people chose HOA areas BECAUSE they don’t understand the ramifications of doing so and the price is right. Don’t think they do it deliberately because they like socialism.
Currently my wife and I are planning a move out to the country, away from that sort of thing - since Colorado Springs, the last bastion of Conservatism in this area is FULL of nothing but housing developments that thrive on HOAs.
I can’t quite put my finger on why this is, which all these Capitalists here selling homes and forcing this crap down our throats.
I need ten acres and a nice, clear kill zone....
I agree with you but I fear it is already too late to enact your suggestions.
The time to set aside the politicians’ (judges included) interpretations of our beloved Constitution, and invoke our rights under the “Declaration of Independence” may be near.
THAT will be a hard one to pull off, however, with so many “nanny-staters” clogging up the country. I am starting to think that a majority of the people do not understand what self-reliance means. I’m almost CERTAIN that a majority of people in this country do not understand that RESPONSIBILITY is inextricably linked to FREEDOM, and that you can’t have the latter without the former.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about voting FOR socialism. The choice has already been made and you're planning to ratify it.
I've lived on a rural, 400 acre farm and I've lived in the suburbs. I love living in rural setting, but it's so much different than in the suburbs. If you live in the county, you don't need HOAs because you're so far from your neighbors that it's not a big deal. But if I'm in the suburbs, fifty feet from my neighbor, you better believe that I want an HOA. I have no desire for the value of my home to fall because my neighbor is too lazy to mow is lawn or because he's got his Camaro up on blocks in his drvieway.
I live next to a neighborhood that, while it has nice homes, doesn't appear to have a very effective HOA. It's a relatively new development and it doesn't seem to require homeowners to sod their lawns. As a result, there are a lot of lawns that have weeds and sparse, uneven growth. I don't want to live next door to my neighbor's crappy lawn because he was too cheap to spend a few grand on sod for his yard. Don't want any part of it.
That’s why I said “Study carefully...”
Ignorance may be the REASON but it is not a good excuse.
It is a curious phenomenon to me that so many people will spend more time researching the contents of a breakfast cereals they are going to buy than they do the limits and restrictions on the property and mortgage of a half-million dollar house they are about to purchase.
The last time I re-financed my mortgage (dropped the APR by 2%) I drove the lender CRAZY with my demands that certain clauses and statements be eliminated or revised in the final documents. Their FIRST response to such request is “that’s the way it HAS to be done because we always do it that way”. After a little brow-beating (and threats of backing out of the deal) they will finally admit that you CAN customize even the most “standard” mortgage agreements.
Caveat Emptor, I always say. If you won’t take care of yourself, why should you expect anyone else to do it for you, right?
This is not the Nation we inherited from our parent’s generation....
And more to the point...Why the hell are so many people trying to change it to socialism? If you want socialism move to Canada or Europe! There are way to many Americans who will not accept socialism. It will not work unless both parties stamp out individual freedoms, then it’s another civil war......
Then you should move back to the country. Or build a privacy fence.
His property is HIS property.
HOA’s may be a pain in the A$$ but it is not the crux of the problem. One can’t pick their own nose without being on a govt. camera somewhere. Even traffic is enforced by camera! Face it, an authority is present everywhere and we are either content to live this way or we’re not!
Sure it’s his property. But he agreed to honor the HOA when he moved in. That’s part of the deal.
By the way, fences are verboten under our HOA. They are tacky.
I respect your right to vote for and support the candidate of your choice. However I can’t vote for a conservative in the group that is currently being fauned over by the leftist media.
I will vote for a conservative however. Too bad it won’t be a republican.
It’s time to vote for what semblance of conservatism we have LEFT and force the new President to move as far right as we can force him to go.
HOW? If he won't listen to us when he needs our vote, why should he listen to us when he's in power?
Put someone in office who MIGHT be a liberal but certainly isn’t a Socialist.
Boy, THAT will really solve the problem and send a nasty wake-up call to the GOP.
Kick CAIR out of this country.
Tell the ACLU to clam up.
Stop the schools from teaching political correctness.
How? How? How? Those "who MIGHT be a liberal but certainly isn’t a Socialist" have yet to raise a finger against them.
Don’t give up, don’t give in to all the nay-sayers and don’t be a nay-sayer yourself.
Sorry, I've gone over to the Dark Side -- I have had enough of these Democrat-Lites.
Let’s get this in high gear, put a “Republican” (even if he IS a RINO), . . .
Sounds more like First or Reverse.
Stop your damned BITCHING and get to work LOCALLY like the rest of us are doing, pushing for conservatives in Congress and other offices.
First good advice I've read - been doing that for years and have developed a solid feeling of how the German rear guard out of Stalingrad felt.
Me too ans, like you, I'll fight him if he is doing something I disagree with. Sorry President Barak Hussien is not for me, nor should it be for any FREEDOM LOVING PERSON!!
Ok, so what are you going to vote 3rd Party and put the SOCIALIST in?? I'm sorry, but I won't help Barak Hussien get elected. He is more DANGEROUS to our freedoms than McCain is.
What do the Communists want you to believe is inevitable Communism or socialism?
If you study Marx' Communist Manifesto you will find that in essence Marx said the proletarian revolution would establish the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat. To achieve the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat, three things would have to be accomplished:
(I) The elimination of all right to private property;
(2) The dissolution of the familv unit; and
(3) Destruction of what Marx referred to as the "opiate of the people," religion.
Marx went on to state that when the dictatorship of the proletariat had accomplished these three things throughout the world, and after some undetermined length of time ..... the all powerful state' would miraculously wither away and state socialism would give way to Communism.
But first, all Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM. The drive to establish SOCIALISM, not Communism, is at the core of everything the Communists and the Insiders do.
Marx and all of his successors in the Communist movement have ordered their followers to work on building SOCIALISM.
Harvard socialist Dr. Arthur Schlesinger has said:
"The chief liberal gains in the past generally remain on the statute books when the conservatives recover power liberalism grows constantly more liberal, and by the same token, conservatism grows constantly less conservative…"
Walter Trohan, columnist emeritus for the Chicago Tribune and one of America's outstanding political commentators, has accurately noted:
"It is a known fact that the policies of the government today, whether Republican or Democratic, are closer to the 1932 platform of the Communist Party than they are to either of their own party platforms in that critical year. More than 100 years ago, in 1848 to be exact, Karl Marx promulgated his program for the socialized state in the Communist Manifesto…"
And Mr. Trohan has also been led to believe that the trend is inevitable:
(The last two sentences have been corrected to portray the 2008 election, not the election results of 1968 which these were written about in 1971.)
Conservatives should be realistic enough to recognize that this country is going deeper into socialism and will see expansion of federal power, whether Republicans or Democrats are in power. The only comfort they may have is that the pace will be slower under Richard M. Nixon John Sydney McCain than it might have been under Hubert H. Humphrey Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama…
Conservatives are going to have to recognize that the Nixon McCain Administration will embrace most of the socialism of the Democratic administrations, while professing to improve it…
You can read all these fascinating quotes and more analysis here!
Hell YEAH!
Of course I need more than ten acres. I want at least 200 yards for my KZ.
The Amerikan Idle generation doesn't care either.
You have the options presented incorrectly. The real choice is between MarxismX2 or Socialism.
“Ok, so what are you going to vote 3rd Party and put the SOCIALIST in?? I’m sorry, but I won’t help Barak Hussien get elected. He is more DANGEROUS to our freedoms than McCain is.”
How can you tell? See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015218/posts
for McCain’s latest.
I can’t really argue with anything you’ve said. I wish I could, but reality is what it is.
JSM may not be a Socialist but he’s no conservative, either. The three remaining choices are basically left, lefter and leftest.
It will be very difficult to stomach, but if (and WHEN is a far more likely event) BHO is the Dem candidate then I will hold my nose and vote for McInsane. Then I’ll go home and obsessive/compulsively wash my hands until I think the stink is off them.
I never said McCain was a conservative, and one of the reasons I DON’T want to vote for him is that very thing. My candidates dropped out, Thompson and Hunter. We’re left with crap on our shoes and a stench in the air, and we need to kick off the shoes, wipe our hands and keep Obama out of the White House. Right now, a 3rd party isn’t going to do that.
As an ASIDE I will point out that Ron Paul and his loonie toons are planning a march on DC around June time frame. Some of the people marching, I know, and some of them are otherwise very smart people, but they are crazed over this right now, and are planning to demand a lot of things. I’m hearing and seeing there are people planning on marching with weapons and threats.
Perhaps that might be the right thing to do, but I don’t think the country needs that NOW of all times. We need to stand together against those in the world that are already against us and show a face to the rest of the world that we can handle internal problems without becoming a third world nation, battling on the streets. I think some of the Ron Paul kooks WELCOME the destruction of the US because they want to remake it somehow.
Perhaps they are right, perhaps we should start over.... but... I don’t see it as time, and I’ve fought for this country. So have some of these guys, but I think it will turn nasty if they get their way.
haha. I figure if they get within a couple hundred yards I can take them out anyway. But, if you need more then they might be using air cover and it’s all over anyway. lol
There is never really a good time for a revolution.
If it ever happens I think it will come as a complete surprise to most and will be triggered by some seemingly minor event I am sure (the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back).
I do still hold out hope that we can salvage the country without it.
I have a six year old son and I do not want him to have to live through something like that.
I have grandchildren older than your son - and I don’t want your son, my sons and daughters, or any of us to have to go through something like that. However, at this point we’re in between a rock and hard place.
America has put forth “their best” in the form of Clinton, Obama and McCain. I give McCain a couple of concessions, one that he was in the military and two that he was a POW in Vietnam. Other than that, he has not shown us that he has the balls to handle this job. On the OTHER hand, Clinton doesn’t have them and is a socialist, and Obama is a Marxist.
If we can’t see the difference in these three people and stay home and not vote, then we deserve exactly what we get. A civil war. There are differences, albeit, they are minor, but there ARE differences.
In another thread JSM is talking about greenhouse gases and dissing the Bush administration. So, he has bought into this crap.
Well, “climate change” DOES exist. But there’s little humans can do about it, and a lot less we’re going to be able to do when we go into the next ice age - and still have NOTHING to do with it.
On the other hand, we don’t need a civil war - not like we had in 1776. What we need is simply to stand up and DEMAND a reduction in the amount of taxes pulled out of our hands, refuse to let a government this large push us around and when we do, it will begin to get the message.
What are they going to do? Send in US troops? Nope, that’s against the law, and when they do it, THEN we have them. And we fight. Until then, there are still options to repair things in this country that won’t require violence.
I see you are stinking up another thread newbie. Where are your other 7 cohorts. You picked a fight with me and I plan to expose you for the troll you are anywhere you post along with your DU buddies.
Isn’t stalking other posters from thread to thread a violation of FR rules?
Funny. You are one of the other seven I have identified as trolls or sleepers. Yes, I think the admin should look at your posting history of ganging up on fellow freepers.
Only seven? lol
I’ll take that as a further admission. There are others. The eight of you have very identifiable posting histories.
You have my permission. LOLOL
I’m afraid we, as a society, are so beaten down by political correctness that we no longer have the courage or will to do what it takes to stave off the socialist takeover.
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