Skip to comments.Did Obama Register With Selective Service?
Posted on 06/07/2008 1:19:25 PM PDT by mondonico
I suppose you can't fault a candidate for not volunteering for the military, particularly in the late 1970s when Obama came of military age.
However, I do think it is important to know whether a male candidate for Commander-in-Chief registered for the draft. I remember doing it in 1981. Obama should have in 1979. I wonder if he did, given his foreign upbringing and foreign/lefty background.
Anyone know how to check this? The Selective Service website required birthdate and social security number.
Just check to see if he received student loans.
Um, are you sure there was a Selective Service website in 1981? I rather doubt it.
I had to register at the Post Office in 1981.
Or ‘80 or ‘82 . . . don’t feel like doing math at the moment.
Math . . . it’s so tiring.
“Um, are you sure there was a Selective Service website in 1981? I rather doubt it.”
Um, I didn’t say that. The website requires DoB and SS# to check someone’s registration TODAY.
Typo: “required” should be “requires” with respect to the website (apparently, this has confused some people).
During my childhood in the 80s, all I ever heard about was the draft during the Viet Nam war, which my father fought in(he wasn’t drafted). When I turned 18 during the 90s, I never registered. Even though I really did consider joining the military when I graduated from high school, I didn’t want to serve under Clinton. I’m the first generation of my family not to serve in the military since the Civil War. I never thought the military to be a good fit for me. I’m not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.
My son had to register in 1997! So it’s something that is still going on and all males have to do.
You should still register. From the Selective Service site:
Registration is the law. A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years.
Even if not tried, a man who fails to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 may find that some doors are permanently closed.
See also Men over the age of eligibility to register.
See also What Does Selective Service Provide for America.
blue triangle Register Now! - Register on-line.
STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren’t registered with Selective Service won’t qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.
The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.
FEDERAL JOB TRAINING
The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act - JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. Only men born after December 31, 1959, are required to show proof of registration.
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.
Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.
Selective Service wants young men to register. It does not want them to be prosecuted or denied benefits. If a draft is ever needed, it must be as fair as possible, and that fairness depends on having as many eligible men as possible registered. In the event of a draft, for every man who fails to register, another man would be required to take his place in service to his country.
Hope you’ll stay on top of this and follow through. I’d say the chances are good that he did but there’s always that 10% chance that he didn’t.
Sorry, your post said “required.” The past tense sounded like you were saying that’s what it required when you registered in ‘81.
My son who has served in the Navy, received a form to register in the last half of his senior year in high school.
I would assume Obama also received one. Doesn’t matter if we are embroiled in a war that would involve a draft. You still have to register.
That's the kind of moronic statement that people who haven't served tend to blurt out.
It comes from watching to many episodes of MASH.
“On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration”
I fell in the later category.
Had to register in 75.
President Ford halted registration in March 1975. President Carter reinstated the requirement in July 1980 which had a retroactive component that would have cover Obama and mandating his registration. I don’t know if he did or not but he had the requirement to do so.
Carter reinstated the selective service during his term.
and don't I remember Barak Millhouse only being 45?
My son just got his notice this week. So you have to notify them if you move? What is up with that?
When Obama turned 18, they weren’t registering for Selective Service. Carter re-instated selective service, and made it retroactive for those who were born starting in January of 1960, which included Obama.
They scheduled periods for people to register who had passed their 18th birthday, and it would have been in 1981.
I was in that small group who never had to register.
” Im not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.”
From those of us that like mornings, Can’t think for ourselves, and enjoy a yelling at. Your welcome.
Someone asked the same question on FR a few months ago.
Apparently, no one has verified it one way or another.
My gut feeling is that he did NOT register when he should have, and still hasn’t to this day, but if called on it, could have some Obama supporter working close enough to the Selective Service office to plant some false documents.
I remember hearing about someone 30 years ago, friend of a friend, who knew someone who never got the necessry bach. degree, but had a friend working in the records area in a college in Chicago to plant false records-
so that they could be looked up, confirmed and sent out to the schools he’d applied to as a teacher.The friend was paid handsomely for it.
No one as of yet seems to have put the question to him, point-blank, about registering for the Selective Service.
It wouldn’t sink him but it might lose him enough votes
to put the final nails in his coffin as a Presidential candidate,or President. If he indeed didn’t register,I’d like to hear his explanation, along with not putting his hand over his heart onstage there with Hillary and Richardson et.al. during the StarSpangled Banner; for both,. could he get away with “I didn’t really know you had to do that”.??? Shouldn’t a potential President know you had to or atleast should do both things? It’s not at all hard to come up with an example a day of how insulated and
out of touch this guy is from traditional American life.
He’s been living in a nice comfortable little bubble,aided and abetted by all the supporters he’s been so careful to flatter in the ongoing orgy of self-congratulation that is his campaign, and that bubble is going to burst sooner rather than later.
I'd say something, but I'm just a mind-numbed military robot, incapable of independent thought. LOL.
Lots of states automatically register males when they get their drivers license or register to vote.
Anyone know what the drill is in Illinois?
An FYI for those on the list. And if you’re already on the thread, sorry. I’ll not make this a habbit of pinging to non-satirical threads.
If he received any student aid, loans, scholarships, he would have had to register. You have so show proof of SS registration in order to receive these.
That is correct. Excellent point.
No problem. It’s an interesting question.
I have a hunch the Demonrats would fight that all the way to the Supreme Court. They might argue (perhaps successfully) that that provision only applies to Civil Service hires—i.e. bureaucrats, not politicians.
Now that left a mark. <];)
I think this is an interesting question, and should probably be followed up. My guess is that there is a good chance he didn't register. I remember those days, and given his political tendencies, he may have protested by not registering.
FYI, Obama did not move to Chicago until 1985. In 1980, he would have been either in Los Angeles, where he was attending Occidental College, or back home in Hawaii.
“A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government.”
Somebody get on this and find out if he registered!!
“check to see if he received student loans.”
Michelle has spent half her time on the campaign complaining about their student loans !!!
The whole point of registering is so that they can find you when they need to. I'm waiting for someone to file an equal protection challenge since females are not required to register.
It has become an "it's all about me" society, which has resulted in the death knell you, I, and many others are hearing.
I've raised five kids, they were all like that....when they were seven.
I guess I know that. I just don't like the idea that for the rest of his life he needs to notify "big brother" if moves across town to a better place or something. Since they have his SS#, it ain't like they can't locate him. And I believe there are sanctions if he forgets to notify.
American men are still required to register for the Selective Service. My hubby had to do it in 1991.
Yes..once 18 young men must register with selective service. There is no draft now.
[Obama should have in 1979.]
Thank you Chris. This is something we’ve all been hunting for - without success so far!
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