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Did Obama Register With Selective Service?

Posted on 06/07/2008 1:19:25 PM PDT by mondonico

I suppose you can't fault a candidate for not volunteering for the military, particularly in the late 1970s when Obama came of military age.

However, I do think it is important to know whether a male candidate for Commander-in-Chief registered for the draft. I remember doing it in 1981. Obama should have in 1979. I wonder if he did, given his foreign upbringing and foreign/lefty background.

Anyone know how to check this? The Selective Service website required birthdate and social security number.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: draft; obama; registration
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1 posted on 06/07/2008 1:19:25 PM PDT by mondonico
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To: mondonico

Just check to see if he received student loans.


2 posted on 06/07/2008 1:21:41 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: mondonico

Um, are you sure there was a Selective Service website in 1981? I rather doubt it.


3 posted on 06/07/2008 1:21:53 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

I had to register at the Post Office in 1981.


4 posted on 06/07/2008 1:23:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dinodino

Or ‘80 or ‘82 . . . don’t feel like doing math at the moment.


5 posted on 06/07/2008 1:24:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Math . . . it’s so tiring.


6 posted on 06/07/2008 1:28:05 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant has fallen and it can't get up.)
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To: dinodino

“Um, are you sure there was a Selective Service website in 1981? I rather doubt it.”

Um, I didn’t say that. The website requires DoB and SS# to check someone’s registration TODAY.

Thanks anyway.


7 posted on 06/07/2008 1:28:25 PM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: mondonico

Typo: “required” should be “requires” with respect to the website (apparently, this has confused some people).


8 posted on 06/07/2008 1:29:41 PM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: mondonico

During my childhood in the 80s, all I ever heard about was the draft during the Viet Nam war, which my father fought in(he wasn’t drafted). When I turned 18 during the 90s, I never registered. Even though I really did consider joining the military when I graduated from high school, I didn’t want to serve under Clinton. I’m the first generation of my family not to serve in the military since the Civil War. I never thought the military to be a good fit for me. I’m not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.


9 posted on 06/07/2008 1:31:45 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: mondonico
Maybe we can just wait till one of his ten thousand press secretaries(msm) asks him ./sarc
10 posted on 06/07/2008 1:35:44 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: mondonico

My son had to register in 1997! So it’s something that is still going on and all males have to do.


11 posted on 06/07/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: KoRn

You should still register. From the Selective Service site:

Registration is the law. A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years.

Even if not tried, a man who fails to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 may find that some doors are permanently closed.

See also Men over the age of eligibility to register.
See also What Does Selective Service Provide for America.

blue triangle Register Now! - Register on-line.

STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren’t registered with Selective Service won’t qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

CITIZENSHIP
The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.

FEDERAL JOB TRAINING
The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act - JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. Only men born after December 31, 1959, are required to show proof of registration.

FEDERAL JOBS
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.

Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.

Selective Service wants young men to register. It does not want them to be prosecuted or denied benefits. If a draft is ever needed, it must be as fair as possible, and that fairness depends on having as many eligible men as possible registered. In the event of a draft, for every man who fails to register, another man would be required to take his place in service to his country.

http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm


12 posted on 06/07/2008 1:37:14 PM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: mondonico

Hope you’ll stay on top of this and follow through. I’d say the chances are good that he did but there’s always that 10% chance that he didn’t.


13 posted on 06/07/2008 1:39:22 PM PDT by no dems (Political Correctness is Fascism!!!)
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To: mondonico
HEY I just noticed this:

"A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government."

If Obama didn't register, maybe he's not eligible to be president.
14 posted on 06/07/2008 1:39:45 PM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: mondonico

Sorry, your post said “required.” The past tense sounded like you were saying that’s what it required when you registered in ‘81.


15 posted on 06/07/2008 1:42:17 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: mondonico

My son who has served in the Navy, received a form to register in the last half of his senior year in high school.

I would assume Obama also received one. Doesn’t matter if we are embroiled in a war that would involve a draft. You still have to register.


16 posted on 06/07/2008 1:44:33 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: mondonico
Messiahs don't have to register. Not even to fulfill all righteousness. “To Knowbama is to Nobama”.
17 posted on 06/07/2008 1:45:23 PM PDT by PatrickF4 (Never trust anyone over 60.)
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To: KoRn
I never thought the military to be a good fit for me...I think independently,

That's the kind of moronic statement that people who haven't served tend to blurt out.

It comes from watching to many episodes of MASH.

18 posted on 06/07/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: mondonico
Registration for the draft ended in 1975. I know because I turned 18 just around that time. Then it was reinstated in 1980.

“On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration”

I fell in the later category.

19 posted on 06/07/2008 1:49:35 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: mondonico
If Obama didn't register, maybe he's not eligible to be president.

"Oh, Really?"


20 posted on 06/07/2008 1:51:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java ("It's not my fault if McCain loses - it's his own damn fault!" - Mark Levin)
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To: mondonico

Had to register in 75.


21 posted on 06/07/2008 1:56:33 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: mondonico

President Ford halted registration in March 1975. President Carter reinstated the requirement in July 1980 which had a retroactive component that would have cover Obama and mandating his registration. I don’t know if he did or not but he had the requirement to do so.


22 posted on 06/07/2008 1:57:44 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue SpShe’s not really that good at hiding her feelings about getting screwed by hooky Music -)
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To: dinodino

Carter reinstated the selective service during his term.


23 posted on 06/07/2008 1:58:40 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Yup, I missed havinf to register by exactly 3 weeks.

and don't I remember Barak Millhouse only being 45?

24 posted on 06/07/2008 2:02:08 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Still backing Hunter"I refuse to be fitted with collar and chain, and given a pat on the back")
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To: mondonico

My son just got his notice this week. So you have to notify them if you move? What is up with that?


25 posted on 06/07/2008 2:03:31 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mondonico

Valid question.


26 posted on 06/07/2008 2:03:31 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: mondonico

When Obama turned 18, they weren’t registering for Selective Service. Carter re-instated selective service, and made it retroactive for those who were born starting in January of 1960, which included Obama.

They scheduled periods for people to register who had passed their 18th birthday, and it would have been in 1981.

I was in that small group who never had to register.


27 posted on 06/07/2008 2:03:54 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I fell in the later category.

Me too.

28 posted on 06/07/2008 2:05:38 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: KoRn

” I’m not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.”

From those of us that like mornings, Can’t think for ourselves, and enjoy a yelling at. Your welcome.


29 posted on 06/07/2008 2:05:50 PM PDT by DYngbld (Aspire to inspire before you expire)
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To: mondonico

Someone asked the same question on FR a few months ago.
Apparently, no one has verified it one way or another.
My gut feeling is that he did NOT register when he should have, and still hasn’t to this day, but if called on it, could have some Obama supporter working close enough to the Selective Service office to plant some false documents.
I remember hearing about someone 30 years ago, friend of a friend, who knew someone who never got the necessry bach. degree, but had a friend working in the records area in a college in Chicago to plant false records-

so that they could be looked up, confirmed and sent out to the schools he’d applied to as a teacher.The friend was paid handsomely for it.
No one as of yet seems to have put the question to him, point-blank, about registering for the Selective Service.
It wouldn’t sink him but it might lose him enough votes
to put the final nails in his coffin as a Presidential candidate,or President. If he indeed didn’t register,I’d like to hear his explanation, along with not putting his hand over his heart onstage there with Hillary and Richardson et.al. during the StarSpangled Banner; for both,. could he get away with “I didn’t really know you had to do that”.??? Shouldn’t a potential President know you had to or atleast should do both things? It’s not at all hard to come up with an example a day of how insulated and
out of touch this guy is from traditional American life.
He’s been living in a nice comfortable little bubble,aided and abetted by all the supporters he’s been so careful to flatter in the ongoing orgy of self-congratulation that is his campaign, and that bubble is going to burst sooner rather than later.


30 posted on 06/07/2008 2:06:47 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: KoRn
I think independently

I'd say something, but I'm just a mind-numbed military robot, incapable of independent thought. LOL.

31 posted on 06/07/2008 2:07:32 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: mondonico

Lots of states automatically register males when they get their drivers license or register to vote.

Anyone know what the drill is in Illinois?


32 posted on 06/07/2008 2:13:34 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: KoRn
I never thought the military to be a good fit for me. I’m not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.

That's OK - - the military will take women, but girls, like yourself, aren't wanted anyway.
33 posted on 06/07/2008 2:17:16 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Allegra; b4its2late; Babu; backhoe; Bahbah; bannie; BellStar; Big Horn; BigSkyFreeper; bitt; ...

An FYI for those on the list. And if you’re already on the thread, sorry. I’ll not make this a habbit of pinging to non-satirical threads.


34 posted on 06/07/2008 2:20:09 PM PDT by writer33 (I'm Still Whining That Rush Limbaugh Isn't Doing Enough To Elect A Conservative)
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To: mondonico

If he received any student aid, loans, scholarships, he would have had to register. You have so show proof of SS registration in order to receive these.


35 posted on 06/07/2008 2:20:10 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

That is correct. Excellent point.


36 posted on 06/07/2008 2:21:07 PM PDT by writer33 (I'm Still Whining That Rush Limbaugh Isn't Doing Enough To Elect A Conservative)
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To: writer33

No problem. It’s an interesting question.


37 posted on 06/07/2008 2:22:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mondonico

I have a hunch the Demonrats would fight that all the way to the Supreme Court. They might argue (perhaps successfully) that that provision only applies to Civil Service hires—i.e. bureaucrats, not politicians.


38 posted on 06/07/2008 2:28:40 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Beckwith

Now that left a mark. <];)


39 posted on 06/07/2008 2:28:43 PM PDT by cannonball
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To: dawn53
I don't think you have to show proof of registration, and I don't recall ever being asked about it. I think they may look it up when you apply. But who knows how thorough they are on that?

I think this is an interesting question, and should probably be followed up. My guess is that there is a good chance he didn't register. I remember those days, and given his political tendencies, he may have protested by not registering.

FYI, Obama did not move to Chicago until 1985. In 1980, he would have been either in Los Angeles, where he was attending Occidental College, or back home in Hawaii.

40 posted on 06/07/2008 2:31:42 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: mondonico

“A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government.”

Somebody get on this and find out if he registered!!


41 posted on 06/07/2008 2:34:56 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: trumandogz

“check to see if he received student loans.”

Michelle has spent half her time on the campaign complaining about their student loans !!!


42 posted on 06/07/2008 2:46:16 PM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: MileHi
My son just got his notice this week. So you have to notify them if you move? What is up with that?

The whole point of registering is so that they can find you when they need to. I'm waiting for someone to file an equal protection challenge since females are not required to register.

43 posted on 06/07/2008 2:52:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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To: SampleMan; KoRn
"That's the kind of moronic statement that people who haven't served tend to blurt out.

It comes from watching to many episodes of MASH.
"


It has become an "it's all about me" society, which has resulted in the death knell you, I, and many others are hearing.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

44 posted on 06/07/2008 2:56:00 PM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: KoRn
I’m not a morning person, I think independently, and I hate being yelled at.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I've raised five kids, they were all like that....when they were seven.

45 posted on 06/07/2008 2:59:35 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: NonValueAdded
The whole point of registering is so that they can find you when they need to.

I guess I know that. I just don't like the idea that for the rest of his life he needs to notify "big brother" if moves across town to a better place or something. Since they have his SS#, it ain't like they can't locate him. And I believe there are sanctions if he forgets to notify.

46 posted on 06/07/2008 3:06:47 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: KoRn
Oh. Ok. You think that these people out in the field, dealing with insurgents and looking out for their fellow troops, diplomatically building relations with a suspicious population, and doing all of the million and one things they do every day - you think they don't think independently?
47 posted on 06/07/2008 3:28:14 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: dinodino

American men are still required to register for the Selective Service. My hubby had to do it in 1991.


48 posted on 06/07/2008 3:41:49 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Catch the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon film at a time!)
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To: dinodino

Yes..once 18 young men must register with selective service. There is no draft now.


49 posted on 06/07/2008 3:43:17 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: writer33; devolve

[Obama should have in 1979.]

Thank you Chris. This is something we’ve all been hunting for - without success so far!


50 posted on 06/07/2008 3:47:14 PM PDT by potlatch (MICHELLE OBAMA - The gift that just keeps on giving....!)
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