Posted on 06/14/2008 11:13:26 AM PDT by joeclarke
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. Exodus 20:16
May God Bless Tim Russert's family for the orderal they are suffering after Tim's untimely death. Though he was on the Left with the rest of the NBC news department, he would be considered a saint when compared to Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthhews.
I have been wondering for some time if Tim Russert's vague testimony about a conversation he may have had with Scooter Libby had been the lynchpin that effectively lynched Libby. It was.
Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald had cavity-searched everything that walked in order to "get something" on Cheney or his office, and gain more adulation from the lib media,especially the NY Times.
It was well known by the said prosecutor that Richard Armitage had admitted to leaking the name of the non-covert Plame.
Nevertheless, Scooter Libby was found guilty by a jury which had been jury rigged through manipulation and vague testimony, especially Tim Russert's foggy, and sometime contradictory recollection of a conversation with Scooter Libby. In all fairness to both Tim and Scooter, Prosecutor Fitzgerald made an unreasonable demand on them to remember historical minutiae from memory alone.
From CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/07/politics/main2443275.shtml:
Tim Russert Contradicts Libby's Testimony
CBS/AP) NBC newsman Tim Russert testified Wednesday he never discussed a CIA operative with vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, contradicting Libby's version to a grand jury in the CIA leak investigation.
The testimony came as prosecutors prepared to rest their perjury case against Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff.
The courtroom testimony so far has provided a rare view inside a White House under fire during the lead-up to the war in Iraq, reports CBS News correspondent Gloria Borger. It's not pretty: top advisers squabbling in the West Wing, leaked secrets and faulty memories — all part of a full-blown damage control operation apparently led by the vice president himself.
Russert, the host of "Meet the Press," testified about a July 2003 phone call in which Libby complained about a colleague's coverage. Libby has said that, at the end of the call, Russert brought up war critic Joseph Wilson and mentioned that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.
"That would be impossible," Russert testified Wednesday. "I didn't know who that person was until several days later."
That discrepancy is at the heart of Libby's perjury and obstruction trial. He is accused of lying to investigators about his conversations with reporters regarding Wilson's wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame.
During Libby's 2004 grand jury testimony, he said Russert told him "all the reporters know" that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. Libby now acknowledges he had learned about Plame a month earlier from Cheney but says he had forgotten about it and learned it again from Russert as if new.
Libby subsequently repeated the information about Plame to other journalists, always with the caveat that he had heard it from reporters, he has said. Prosecutors say Libby concocted the Russert conversation to shield him from prosecution for revealing information from government sources.
Plame's identity was leaked shortly after her husband began accusing the Bush administration of doctoring prewar intelligence on Iraq. The controversy over the faulty intelligence was a major story in mid-2003.
Given that news climate, defense attorney Theodore Wells was skeptical about Russert's account.
"You have the chief of staff of the vice president of the United States on the telephone, and you don't ask him one question about it?" Wells asked. He followed up moments later with, "As a newsperson who's known for being aggressive and going after the facts, you wouldn't have asked him about the biggest stories in the world that week?"
"What happened is exactly what I told you," Russert replied.
Russert originally told the FBI that he couldn't rule out discussing Wilson with Libby but had no recollection of it, according to an FBI report Wells read in court. Russert said Wednesday he did not believe he said that.
Wells spent a considerable amount of time in cross-examination Wednesday undermining Russert's general recollection of past events, reports CBSNews.com's Jennifer Hoar.
Wells seized upon a 2004 interview that Russert had granted to a Washington Post reporter in which he failed to mention a phone call he had made to a different reporter, from Russert's hometown paper, The Buffalo News. Russert was later lambasted for not remembering the call in an article titled, "Tim, Don't You Remember?"
Russert was also grilled about whether or not he had told the NBC News President Neal Shapiro that he had discussed his 2003 phone call with Libby with an FBI agent. Russert said he didn't recall if he had mentioned that to Shapiro, Hoar reports. Wells appeared troubled by this as Russert indicated that he and Shapiro were close.
Russert will be back on the stand on Thursday; Wells says he has about two more hours with his cross-examination.
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has spent weeks making the case that Libby was preoccupied with discrediting Wilson. Several former White House, CIA and State Department officials testified that Libby discussed Plame with them — all before the Russert conversation.
Fitzgerald has said Russert would be his final witness. Prosecutors spent the past few days playing audiotapes of Libby's grand jury testimony in court. In the final hours of those tapes Wednesday, Libby described a tense mood in the White House as the leak investigation began.
Though President Bush was publicly stating that nobody in the White House was involved in the leak, Libby knew that he himself had spoken to several reporters about Plame. He said he did not bring that up with Bush and was uncertain whether he discussed it with Cheney.
Libby did remember one conversation with Cheney, however, in which the vice president seemed surprised when told by his aide where Libby had learned Plame's identity.
"From me?" Cheney asked, tilting his head, Libby recalled.
Libby said he had forgotten that Cheney was his original source until finding his own handwritten notes on the conversation. The notes predated the Russert phone call by more than a month.
Vice President Cheney is likely to take the stand in Libby's defense, adds Borger. But he may need to answer some questions about himself and whether he directly controlled a White House effort to discredit a political enemy.
Just sayin’. That’s all, just sayin’.
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What's with FReepers sudden adoration of people like Paul Newman, Tim Russert, even Ted Kennedy in his illness?
Sheesh. Conservatives are off their rocker.
Mr. Russert is one of millions of liberals who lived his own life according to conservative values but advocated liberalism for the remainder of his compatriots. I didn’t know the details of the Libby case and how much Russert was involved. It was a real shocker to learn that he had collapsed on the job.
The narrative of the BDS crowd should have been discredited long ago.
Joe Wilson went to Nigeria to assure that they would know the answer to the “16 words” question on “Africa”.
It’s a classic set up.
We let the progressives get away with this and so much more.
In 1991, shortly after he became “MTP” host, Tim Russert asked David Duke factual questions about Louisiana government, one of which ws the name of the state’s largest employer. Duke could not answer the questions. I don’t think Russert has ever asked anyone else factual questions. Wonder how Oprah’s Obama would fare with factual questions? The point is why was the objectionable Duke treated differently from other guests.
It’s called “compassion”. You may want to try it sometime.
If the information I read on another Russert thread yesterday was correct, then Russert’s testimony was correct and Libby’s was not. According to what the poster said on yesterday’s thread, it was LIBBY who changed his testimony after Russert testified.
Russert... Cooper... Mitchell... they were all neck-deep in the Plame/Wilson scam.
“FReepers sudden adoration of people like Paul Newman, Tim Russert, even Ted Kennedy in his illness”
Not exactly ‘adoration’ just a respect for life, all life, unlike the other side which wishes to destroy it.
No I don’t agree that conservatives are off their rockers, as you put it. I would say that despite the fact that conservative dislike what this class of people stand for and may not even like them in any way on a personal level, still they wish no evil upon them and have some sensitivity for the worries and fears that affect the families involved in difficult times.
That is a significant difference between conservatives and some of the hate filled lefties who would dance on the grave of President they despise rather than take a moment and have any respect for the family he leaves behind.
It’s called class, decorum, civilized, being better people than the libs.
Basically, Libby went to jail for confusing a meeting with Tim Russert with a meeting he had with Bob Woodward.
There are plenty of people who I don’t agree with but whom I still respect. I’ll leave the hating of those who disagree with you to the liberals.
These “journalists” are suppose to report the news, not be the news. A lot of people died yesterday.
The BIG Moderator has a BIG Zot button and is quite proficient in the use thereof.
I liked Russert generally speaking but his actions on the Scooter Libby episode was something less than honorable. This was just the criminaization of conservatism, plain and simple.
Did it come down to ‘credibility’ of testimony?
Why DID Libby change his testimony? As an attorney, he should have known.
Strange thing, I say.
Bottom line, this was a conviction arrising out of the investigation of Plame/Wilson. No one was charged with exposing her.
That's the big if. IIRC there was reason, based on comments Andrea Mitchell had made on TV, to wonder if Russert had his facts straight. The judge, who IMHO was very biased against Libby, would not allow the defense to call her as a witness.
There was also evidence to impeach Russert's honesty as to claims he made about his knowledge of rules governing grand jury testimony. The judge would not let that be heard either.
I did not have a good feeling about Russert's testimony. But this does not strike me as the best time to be revisiting all the little details.
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Yeah, just look where “compassionate conservatism” the new tone and extending a hand to the left has gotten us...our Conservative butts handed to us in 2006, the media elected our candidate for President and the liberals still hate our guts...yeah, nice guys finish last....
I don’t give a rat’s ass what happens to that murderer Kennedy. He deserves whatever life throws at him. However, I don’t think there is a reason to bring this bit up about Russert at this time.
It was a non-crime in search of a criminal.
The rats do not merely defeat, they must destroy. Obama has already made statements sympathetic to the idea of probes by his Justice Dept of mythological Bush administration crimes.
Paul Newman now what did he do, I think makes pretty good pop corn.
You’re confusing “don’t speak ill of the dead” with compassion.
Pretending that Russert wasn’t at the heart of the liberal movement to socialize America and not acknowledging that he used his “freedom of the press” to do it is just suicidal.
I think you missed the point. Remember the phrase “love your enemies”? Well, many times I don’t want to either, but, the rewards of it are great and it makes one a better person. Don’t misunderstand, there is a time to hate as in hate the sin not the sinner.
Paul Newman, Bill Clinton ask Democrats for money
“A Democratic Senate is the best defense against this administration,” Newman said of the Bush administration. Click here to see Newman make his pitch on video.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/06/paul-newman-bil.html
Conservatives? You mean these "compasionate conservatives"?
After 7+ years of "compasionate conservatism" anyone can see what that attitude brings.
They love their enemy don't you know?
It’s the Republican disease - no will to survive.
Not really.
An over-zealous prosecutor and a hyper-partisan jury is what sent Scooter Libby to jail.
For all we know, according to his recollection, Russert was telling the truth about his exchange with Libby.
For that matter, for all the jury knew, Scooter Libby was telling the truth about the exchange, as well.
It was an uncorroborated "he said/he said" situation. Hardly enough for to commit a man of a felony.
However, the prosecutor and the jury made it into a "reverse OJ verdict".
When did Libby go to jail ???? As I recall, President Bush took action (not quite a pardon) to assure that he didn’t go to jail.
Not to mention that we all come in and go out the same way.
Wheres the conspiracy folks at? Russett supported Obama and suddenly dies from a heart attack???
Bush’s fault.
You’re right. I had forgotten about that.
That's my understanding, too. When I saw this headline, I thought, "Whaaa?"
Compassion is fine. Rewriting history is not. Certainly one can and should allow some time to pass, but that luxury is short circuited when the left tries to use the death of anyone they can claim to advance their cause.
The mainstream media is reporting that Russert died from a “heart attack,” but no press outlet has yet bothered to ask: “What caused the heart attack?”
Intolerance to the forces of your demise is prequisite for responsibility and trustworthyness. FR is often like taking a ride with a driver who offers panhandlers a lift and seats them next to you. I.e., socialism.
February 20, 2007 12:00 AM
The Libby Trial: Did Fitzgerald Prove His Case?
We've heard the witnesses and seen the evidence. What's the verdict?
By Byron York
None of these people deserve to be glorified.
None of these people deserve to be glorified.
Isn't this the kind of question Russert himself would have been asking considering no one else is?
"At age 10 the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest."
To quote one reviewer: The book is laced with scatology, drunkenness, and torture. Subjects like urine, turds, armpits, pubic hair, bestiality, and menstrual cycles, flow from this literary trash. Libby describes quivering inner lips, arching backs, firm breasts, and everything is moist.
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