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FR Should Have an Appeals Process
06/14/2008 | Soliton

Posted on 06/14/2008 10:03:59 PM PDT by Soliton

I have been a member since 1999. I have been suspended at least twice and kicked off "for good" once. I deserved to be suspended once.

I believe that FR is a force for good in the world. Debate between people who consider themselves conservative, right or wrong, is a good thing.

I believe that FR would prosper more, that more would donate, if they really believed that they had a stake in the site. The risk, that I now expose myself to, that you can be booted forever for speaking your honestly conservative mind in accordance with the rules, can be stifling.

I suggest an appeals board consisting of long-term FReepers with differing views. They would enforce or overturn suspensions and bannings upon review based on the stated rules. They could even levy a reinstatement charge. At least it would be democratic in the conservative tradition.


TOPICS: Free Republic Policy/Q&A
KEYWORDS: appeal; banned; iwantalawyer; suspended; whiner; zot
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1 posted on 06/14/2008 10:09:08 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Fantastic idea! And we could make the Mods members of the Appeals Board! Wait a minute.


2 posted on 06/14/2008 10:12:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
jim rob might agree to chair that board.

;)
=^)

3 posted on 06/14/2008 10:15:11 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: Soliton; Jim Robinson; I got the rope; 2ndDivisionVet

Before anything is decided read this again... and again... and again!

ALINSKY’S RULES FOR REBELLION
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972236/posts


4 posted on 06/14/2008 10:15:35 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Soliton
Based on your posts earlier this evening, I can see why you would be banned. Your comments contributed nothing to the debate - it was all name calling. Calling a writer "scientifically ignorant" does not foster much good will.

If you don't agree with a writer, point out where he or she is wrong - and stay away from the ad hominem attacks

5 posted on 06/14/2008 10:16:36 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: robomatik

This is seriously one of those “looks good on paper” things.


6 posted on 06/14/2008 10:16:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: darkwing104

Do the Viking Kitties get representation on said appeals board?


7 posted on 06/14/2008 10:17:01 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Soliton

It sounds like you have never been in the military. Fr is not a Democratic site. Just live with it and take your lumps. If the lumps are too painful, then quit. I can’t say how many times I have been discouraged, but weighing the overall score, FR is still the best.


8 posted on 06/14/2008 10:17:21 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Soliton
I suggest an appeals board consisting of long-term FReepers with differing views. They would enforce or overturn suspensions and bannings upon review


9 posted on 06/14/2008 10:17:24 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Soliton

It’s Jim’s house and we’re guests. The owner of the house can ask guests to leave at any time for any reason.

When someone throws a turd in the punch bowl they can expect to be removed from the premises. I’m not saying you did that, I have no idea what led to your suspensions.

However we cannot seize control of Jim’s house.


10 posted on 06/14/2008 10:19:09 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Soliton
kicked off "for good"

That's not really true or you would not be posting again.

11 posted on 06/14/2008 10:19:28 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Jo Nuvark

My god, what a scary link!


12 posted on 06/14/2008 10:20:10 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Mark
Fr is not a Democratic site

It5 is a a private business and doesn't have to be "democratic". I'm just suggesting that it would grow if it was

13 posted on 06/14/2008 10:20:10 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton
The board meets every Tuesday and Thursday.........


14 posted on 06/14/2008 10:21:20 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: LiteKeeper
Calling a writer "scientifically ignorant"

Even if I can provide evidence and cite sources? I thought that was what debate was all about

15 posted on 06/14/2008 10:22:02 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton
The absolute polar opposite of this thread is going on here.

This is a weird place tonight.

16 posted on 06/14/2008 10:22:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (you don't see my hands.)
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To: Soliton
Ooh! Ooh! I know:

NO.

17 posted on 06/14/2008 10:23:53 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Soliton

If you aren’t happy here, start your own website.


18 posted on 06/14/2008 10:24:27 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Grizzled Bear
It’s Jim’s house and we’re guests. The owner of the house can ask guests to leave at any time for any reason.

I understand and respect this. But, he wants us to contribute. I think more would if free speech, within the rules, was tolerated.

19 posted on 06/14/2008 10:24:32 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

I would think in order for that to work the appeals board would have to have immunity from banning- you did say they would have differing views so I’m just picturing the discussion of whether to uphold the banning of one freeper or not leading to the banning of some on the appeals board during the process...LOL

Actually there is an appeals process now- I was banned. I waited a few months and then emailed Jim Robinson using the contact webmaster on the main page and asked him to consider allowing me to come back. He allowed me to come back so I know that appeals process can work.


20 posted on 06/14/2008 10:26:28 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Soliton
I understand and respect this. But, he wants us to contribute. I think more would if free speech, within the rules, was tolerated.

There's a line that can't be crossed. That's what makes this place better than DU or KOS.

21 posted on 06/14/2008 10:26:54 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
There's a line that can't be crossed. That's what makes this place better than DU or KOS.

Shouldn't the line be consistent for everybody?

22 posted on 06/14/2008 10:29:05 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: spyone

Be afraid! VERY afraid!


23 posted on 06/14/2008 10:29:07 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Soliton

You have been around for a long time and I hope that you stay. Just visit DU for a few minutes and your mind will clear up. The world can be scary. Have you never seen good times on FR? A sense of humor is the best medicine. Try it.


24 posted on 06/14/2008 10:29:10 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Tammy8
Actually there is an appeals process now- I was banned. I waited a few months and then emailed Jim Robinson using the contact webmaster on the main page and asked him to consider allowing me to come back.

50 years from now, if FR is to be more than a passing fancy, shouldn't there be more than appealing to Jim?.

25 posted on 06/14/2008 10:31:39 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: the invisib1e hand; Dawnsblood

I saw that thread and sent a note of encouragement to db.
All is not right in the universe tonight. Not right at all!


26 posted on 06/14/2008 10:33:14 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Mark
You have been around for a long time and I hope that you stay. Just visit DU for a few minutes and your mind will clear up. The world can be scary. Have you never seen good times on FR? A sense of humor is the best medicine. Try it. I love FR. Absolutely love it, but I don't know when I will be banned next or for what. I would donate more often if I thought I was a stakeholder and not a guest. Stakeholders have rights, guests do not.
27 posted on 06/14/2008 10:34:18 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

This is a solution in search of a problem.

FR is a privately owned site. It follows the golden rule:

He who has the gold makes the rules.


28 posted on 06/14/2008 10:35:03 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Fantastic idea! And we could make the Mods members of the Appeals Board!

Of course, we'll need a Free Republic Supreme Court too.

And a Department of Free Republic Justice, headed by the Attorney General of Free Republic.

29 posted on 06/14/2008 10:36:19 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: Soliton

Stakeholders are in the stock market. FR is not.


30 posted on 06/14/2008 10:37:27 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

I’m stealing that pic. :)

Bless my heart and all...


31 posted on 06/14/2008 10:38:24 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: HAL9000

Can you imagine? Someone gets into a flamewar, and the matter won’t get disposed until years down the road, with opinions issued at all levels. No thanks.


32 posted on 06/14/2008 10:39:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Brad's Gramma

:) .....love you too!!


33 posted on 06/14/2008 10:39:58 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Soliton

34 posted on 06/14/2008 10:43:35 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: exit82

I’ve said enough and am getting nowhere.

Yes FR is a private business. So is General Motors, but the investors in GM have rights. Maybe more people would invest in FR if they had enumerated rights.

It is very odd to me that this concept would be so alien to supposed conservatives.

Thanks until I’m banned again,

Frank


35 posted on 06/14/2008 10:46:27 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

What is this - a Democracy?


36 posted on 06/14/2008 10:50:39 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: Soliton
50 years from now, if FR is to be more than a passing fancy, shouldn't there be more than appealing to Jim?.

Well hmmm let me think about that...isn't this his website? I think any changes along those lines would have to be his idea; but that's just me.

Here's a thought- you could set up your very own site; and it could have an appeals process and/or anything else your heart desires.

37 posted on 06/14/2008 10:51:02 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Soliton
I would donate more often if I thought I was a stakeholder and not a guest.

This reminds me of the time a buddy took in roomers. They called a meeting with him and starting talking about their equity in his house. I told him to throw their crap out on the front porch. He just asked them to leave.

38 posted on 06/14/2008 10:52:18 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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To: Tammy8
Well hmmm let me think about that...isn't this his website?

Apparently I wasn't clear. My suggestion was to help Jim grow his business. I've done the same for others. It was my assumption that he would appoint the appeals board

39 posted on 06/14/2008 10:54:40 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

The rules are few and simple.

Freepers invest in FR all the time—mainly during Freepathons.

You know the drill here. Being civil goes a long way toward even expressing a contrary opinion. The mods are very fair, considering the tremendous range of oversight for which they are responsible.

Perhaps it is just the limitation of the medium, but the very premise for your request does not seem to be in existence.


40 posted on 06/14/2008 10:56:03 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Bumping that....!!!


41 posted on 06/14/2008 10:59:54 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: exit82

And so my suggestion that people will invest more in things where their interest is respected makes no sense to you as an alleged conservative?


42 posted on 06/14/2008 11:00:19 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I think you & I need An Important Job Around Here Too!!!!!

:)


43 posted on 06/14/2008 11:00:45 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: Soliton

The answer is quite simply, no.

Respect is something we give to each other, by how we “talk” to each other on this site.

You and I have been here for many years. It we were ill served , we’d be elsewhere by now.


44 posted on 06/14/2008 11:04:28 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: exit82
You and I have been here for many years. It we were ill served , we’d be elsewhere by now.

I was just repremanded for using the word "hell" on the religious forum. Does that make sense to you?

45 posted on 06/14/2008 11:06:55 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton
We're doomed, we'll never make it.

Faming happens. Look at what happens when you suggest a little limitations in the franchise. You get called a fascist or worse.

46 posted on 06/14/2008 11:07:25 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Beware the fury of the man that cannot find hope or justice.)
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To: Soliton

It wasn’t clear at all- if you have a suggestion for Jim, possibly you could have emailed him privately with your ideas. The way you posted it, seemed more like an appeal to the posters than the owner. We have no power to implement your suggestions if we wanted to. I personally like this site the way it is- bumps and all.


47 posted on 06/14/2008 11:07:38 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Soliton

It depends on the context in which the word was used.


48 posted on 06/14/2008 11:08:34 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Soliton
It is very odd to me that this concept would be so alien to supposed conservatives.

Actually, Frank, it's pretty durn simple, you're trying to act like a liberal, who believes that they are afforded some special rights just because they happen by a place. Everyone on this system operates by the same rules, guidelines and overseeing.

So, yeah, it is an odd concept to conservatives, and an example of liberal takings. It's Jim's system, his place, his rules, and if you don't like it, find a place that will give you more than you're already getting here. Otherwise, act like a gentleman.

49 posted on 06/14/2008 11:08:50 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Tammy8

Perhaps you could ping Jim for me out of respect, but I have emailed Jim many times with no luck.

I am not criticizing him. He gets lots of emails. I only suggested that he appoints a rules commitee, or something similar, that determines your status as an active freeper.

If he did so. I think more people would participate financially.


50 posted on 06/14/2008 11:11:48 PM PDT by Soliton
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