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Heller To Be Decided Tomorrow
Leibowitz's Canticle ^ | June 25, 2008 | Leibowitz

Posted on 06/25/2008 7:46:08 AM PDT by Bob Leibowitz

A decision in Heller vs. The District, the landmark Second Amendment case before the Supreme Court, will be announced tomorrow.

RELATED LINKS: Heller Will Win Big In June. How Big?


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; guncontrol; guns; heller; parker; ruling; scotus; secondamendment

1 posted on 06/25/2008 7:46:08 AM PDT by Bob Leibowitz
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Stock up today I guess. Fire sale. Everything must go. What with their rulings about foreign terrorists’ “constitutional rights” and the right of a child rapist to not be sentenced to death, I am highly skeptical about our chances for a victory tomorrow.


2 posted on 06/25/2008 7:50:57 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I read that book years ago...it was a shopping list as I recall.


3 posted on 06/25/2008 7:52:33 AM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I suspect a lot of people are watching this decision. If it goes the wrong way everyone will be going on a huge buying spree.


4 posted on 06/25/2008 7:57:41 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Beware the fury of the man that cannot find hope or justice.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; bayouranger; Badray; ...
More info *here* Supreme Court docket number 07-290
5 posted on 06/25/2008 7:59:07 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Well, the Second Amendment was victorious with ALL prior courts. Why should it not be victorious again? Saying prayers for freedom. :-)


6 posted on 06/25/2008 8:05:09 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: messierhunter
“What with their rulings about foreign terrorists’ “constitutional rights” and the right of a child rapist to not be sentenced to death, I am highly skeptical about our chances for a victory tomorrow.”

And in this election it is far more important to make a statement than vote for McCain, so don't vote. Show the Republican Party you know better than them and they should have picked a different candidate. One you approved of.

Heck, a non-vote for McCain will be the best way to effect this Republic for the next 30 years. Everyone will get your message and thank you.

Heck, put a sign up in your yard that you did not vote because the Republican party was wrong and did not listen to you. Yeah you will show us all.

(Ohm and see my tag line.

7 posted on 06/25/2008 8:08:25 AM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supremes who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: messierhunter
“What with their rulings about foreign terrorists’ “constitutional rights” and the right of a child rapist to not be sentenced to death, I am highly skeptical about our chances for a victory tomorrow.”

And in this election it is far more important to make a statement than vote for McCain, so don't vote. Show the Republican Party you know better than them and they should have picked a different candidate. One you approved of.

Heck, a non-vote for McCain will be the best way to effect this Republic for the next 30 years. Everyone will get your message and thank you.

Heck, put a sign up in your yard that you did not vote because the Republican party was wrong and did not listen to you. Yeah you will show us all.

(Oh, and see my tag line.

8 posted on 06/25/2008 8:09:31 AM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: All
A good decision on the Second will moot the child rape decision ";^)
9 posted on 06/25/2008 8:09:44 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I didn’t see any info saying that it would be announced tomorrow, but I won’t knit pick.

Predictions?

6-3 or 7-2 in favor of an individual right.

I don’t see how the court could honestly, given all the other writings of the founders at that time, their personal notes, the letters they wrote, their speeches at various meetings and conventions, there’s a huge amount of material supporting the individual right position.

Self government.
Remember that one?


10 posted on 06/25/2008 8:11:49 AM PDT by djf (I don't believe in perpetual motion. Perpetual mutton, that's another thing entirely!)
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To: JSteff
McCain voted to seat Souter and Ginsberg.

No thanks. The Constitution Party is looking better all the time....

11 posted on 06/25/2008 8:12:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: gorush
"pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels–bring home for Emma"
12 posted on 06/25/2008 8:16:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
13 posted on 06/25/2008 8:16:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dead Corpse
McCain voted to seat Souter and Ginsberg. No thanks. The Constitution Party is looking better all the time....

It sure looks like the real deal.

14 posted on 06/25/2008 8:20:45 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: ctdonath2

Yup, that’s it. :{) I read it over 40 years ago, decent sci-fi as I recall. Actual title, Canticle for Liebowitz.


15 posted on 06/25/2008 8:25:09 AM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: JSteff

I hope your message wasn’t actually directed at me because I have every intention of voting against Obama. Sorry I have to couch it like that because I’ve always believed you don’t win elections by voting against someone, but I think this year might just be an exception.


16 posted on 06/25/2008 8:26:45 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: Bob Leibowitz
Just want all to know - if you go back to the 1st month of GW’s presidency I guaranteed everyone here that when he left that there would not be a true conservative court. I guarantee that with the next election & the next, etc. When the truly big decisions come down the real power people (elites/New World Order etc) get theirs & it is NOT a conservative court. So instead of the same old “Two-Party Cartel” song & dance why not vote for the closest party candidate to your views. Mine is Chuck Baldwin.
17 posted on 06/25/2008 8:28:45 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: djf
I don’t see how the court could honestly, given all the other writings of the founders at that time, their personal notes, the letters they wrote, their speeches at various meetings and conventions, there’s a huge amount of material supporting the individual right position.

Ah there's the rub. Honestly. I don't think they decide much of anything honestly. Ideology reigns supreme, and not the ideology embodied in that old rag that they are supposed to be enforcing.

18 posted on 06/25/2008 8:53:11 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: djf
Predictions?5-4 against. Just like the last two.
19 posted on 06/25/2008 8:53:45 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Who out of the usual Gang of 5 would flip and actually support the Constitution in this case?


20 posted on 06/25/2008 8:56:38 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Digger
It sure looks like the real deal. It's a joke. It's going to get less than 1% of the general votes and zero electoral votes. They are not building momentum, they are AT BEST a spoiler (on the liberal side).

I will respect these third parties when they start acting rationally and running candidates in elections they can win: perhaps state house races, state senate races, the odd congressional district. That would start to create momentum. The big presidential run is just an ego trip with zero percent chance of success. Ho hum.

21 posted on 06/25/2008 8:57:06 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Bob Leibowitz

6-3 in favor. Scalia. Strong, but no incorporation (yet).


22 posted on 06/25/2008 8:57:36 AM PDT by Bob Leibowitz (Response, Free Republic, news)
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To: JSteff
Heck, a non-vote for McCain will be the best way to effect this Republic for the next 30 years. Everyone will get your message and thank you.

Oh, so if I don't vote as you see fit I'm the ruination of the Republic???

Then you should be BEGGING for my vote, not demanding it.

23 posted on 06/25/2008 10:11:52 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: messierhunter

There is no way to vote against any candidate, no place on the ballot of “against” votes.

You can only vote “for” a candidate.

If you don’t want Obama in, don’t vote for him.

If you want McCain in, then vote for him, cuz pulling the lever for McCain because you don’t like Obama is a mistake.

There are others that can win.

McCain might win but is that really a win for America?

I think not.


24 posted on 06/25/2008 10:17:58 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye

Sorry, but no one else has a shot. *Some* people also though Paul was a shoe-in for the nomination based on internet polling and look how that turned out. McCain may not be a win for america, but he’s not a complete loss either. At least his ear can be occasionally bent with enough force by conservatives, hence his gradual shift on offshore drilling. With McCain there’s at least hope for the occasional victory, with Obama there is only disaster ahead.


25 posted on 06/25/2008 10:30:38 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: messierhunter; Centurion2000
First of all, I fully expect a limited affirmation of our individual rights to keep and bear arms, which they won't define too sharply, when the decision comes down tomorrow. It might be a 5-4 decision, but it will come down for our side.

Regardless, there won't be any draconian gun banning going on tomorrow. The sun will still come up and ammo will still be expensive. But stock up anyway, whenever you can.

The odds are leaning towards an Obama Presidency and a more Democratic Congress, and so after next January 20 is when we should begin to worry. The Dems don't care about the SC ruling. When have Dems ever considered the law or the Constitution? They can and will come up with licensing, taxing, banning and registration schemes, but it will take time. Probably a year from now we will see the first repercussions of a tyrannical Democratic government. I hope that I'm wrong.

By then, you definitely need to stock up. There was a shooting in a KY plastics plant today. How long would it take for Obama and the Dems to jump on that? About a New York minute. Stroke of the pen, law of the land.

Fortunately I am well-stocked, but if I see the Bad Things coming down, I will get some investments anyway. Tomorrow should be a good day. So BLOAT anyway if you can!

26 posted on 06/25/2008 11:33:01 AM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Sender

I truly hope that you’re right and I’m wrong about this. I don’t have much cash to play with right now so now’s a bad time for me to have to stock up. I guess I’m just feeling skeptical in light of recent rulings, but in reality we *should* win. I’m definately not counting on it though. Whatever happens, there’s a lot at stake here.


27 posted on 06/25/2008 11:43:25 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: messierhunter
Sorry, but no one else has a shot

...said the small thinking man.

I'll bet you put your money on Goliath and thought the walls of Jericho impenetrable!

28 posted on 06/25/2008 1:10:09 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye

No, but I’ll put my money against any third party canidate this year. Sorry, not going to happen. If my dream canidate were on the ballot I might vote for him even if I knew it was futile, but I’m just not seeing it in anyone so i’ll go for the least bad with a viable chance. People might say that’s how we got in this mess in the first place, but that’s really only true during the primary. My vote was for Thompson, even though I knew he was DOA.


29 posted on 06/25/2008 3:41:35 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: messierhunter
No, but I’ll put my money against any third party canidate this year.

You are odd...

on the one hand you show disdain for McCain calling him the least bad yet you refuse to work for a better candidate, preferring to bet against instead of work for a better candidate.

30 posted on 06/25/2008 3:50:11 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: archy

Gonna get interesting Archy.

Watch yer knot...


31 posted on 06/25/2008 5:16:27 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Eagle Eye

Frankly, are no canidates left that I give a flip about. Why would I work for a “better canidate” when I don’t believe any of them deserve my support?


32 posted on 06/25/2008 7:12:36 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: Bob Leibowitz
To all,We are screwed.The recent decisions made by the “SUPREME COURT”should give you an indication of what is to come.
Stock up on ammo.
I read the Daily Mail,a newspaper?, in Great Britain?,daily and if you want a taste of the future of our Great Land,check it out for a day or two.
Beyond ridiculous.
33 posted on 06/25/2008 7:36:30 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Eagle Eye
You have got to be kidding if you think anyone should be “begging for your vote”. Are you really a citizen of the U.S.?

What is more important to you, your “feelings” or the country?

As most grow up they learn that sometimes the mature and necessary thing is to realize it is time to set aside their own incredible need to be right.

Some don't.

34 posted on 06/25/2008 10:55:59 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: Dead Corpse
“No thanks. The Constitution Party is looking better all the time....”

Obama thanks you because in reality that will be a vote for him. So your vote will be like Souder and Ginsberg, a long term strike against the good of the country.

Briliant. But at least you are “right”.

Hope you will sleep as easily as them.

35 posted on 06/25/2008 11:08:37 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: JSteff
Moron. Reasoning like yours is how we came to this point. Idiotic goofball statements about about "a vote X is a vote for Y" is how we ended up with both Carter and Clinton. If the GOP would have run decent candidates to begin with, it NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.

Nor are we in any way assured that "Gang of 14"/"reach across the aisle" McCain will in any way appoint conservative judges. Even Reagan made a mistake there and John is no Ronaldus Magnus.

Now stop pissing down our necks, we know it isn't raining...

36 posted on 06/26/2008 5:29:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: JSteff

I think that I have more right to expect the GOP to BEG for my vote than they have to expect and DEMAND it.

If you’re intent was to insult me, sorry, didn’t work.

If you are GOP voting for McCain you are like an abused, self loathing, cheated on wife who always justifies her husband’s infidelity and abuse.

If you are GOP voting for McCain you have no self respect.


37 posted on 06/26/2008 1:57:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye
“I think that I have more right to expect the GOP to BEG for my vote than they have to expect and DEMAND it.”

Please show me the letter, provide the link, or cite the article where they DEMANDED you or anyone else vote for McCain. A stronly worded request is not a demand.

That is unless one is particularly sensitive or feeling guilty for some reason.

38 posted on 06/26/2008 9:38:30 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: Eagle Eye
“If you are GOP voting for McCain you have no self respect.”

GOP, conservative, or constitutionalists not voting and allowing the dems to take it all would show the same.

39 posted on 06/26/2008 9:44:06 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: Dead Corpse
” Moron. Reasoning like yours is how we came to this point. Idiotic goofball statements about about “a vote X is a vote for Y” is how we ended up with both Carter and Clinton.”

Reasoning like yours is why the Republicans lose elections. “It's not perfect mommy so I am not playing, so there.”

“If the GOP would have run decent candidates to begin with, it NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.”

Right, so blame it on someone else. This is politics so if it is not right you are invited to get involved and make it right. Sometimes in politics that means going with the closest to the right you can be.

Dropping out or solely voting a protest vote is so 1960’s. The hippies did that and look at where it got them. A few are still living in communes but are powerless.

However most of them probably are still convinced they were right about life, the universe, and everything. So although not part of life they "feel good" about themselves.

No say in the direction of the country, but that is cool cause they have their bongs and beads. Cool and self assured but without a voice that counts.

But they do "feel" good (groovy?) and that is all they need.

40 posted on 06/26/2008 10:05:19 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supreme's who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: JSteff
Reasoning like yours is why the Republicans lose elections. “It's not perfect mommy so I am not playing, so there.”

Not asking for perfect. Never have. McCain wasn't even as "conservative" as Bush was. McCain has only gotten MORE liberal since. At least 50% adherence to core conservative principles would be nice don't ya' think?

Sometimes in politics that means going with the closest to the right you can be.

McAmnesty ain't it. Hunter, Thompson, Paul, Barr, and Baldwin are a LOT closer than John ever has been. If you weren't just engaging in "my Party, right or wrong" crap, you'd admit that and help teh rest of us work towards it. Instead, you make idiotic and childish statements about those of us who refuse to continue to whore ourselves out to a Party that seems bent on getting rid of us.

Get a grip, buy a clue, smell the stuff your stepping in... Ain't no one else buying it.

41 posted on 06/27/2008 5:12:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: JSteff

The list of GOP candidates has gone downhill substantially in the last 30 years.

If McCain can get the GOP nomination then there is no level low enough for the GOP.

Holding one’s nose to vote for a candidate only means that you still vote for a stinker.

Some will swallow anything from the GOP.

But some of us have more self respect than that.


42 posted on 06/27/2008 9:19:34 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: JSteff

You’ve been here long enough to know how the GOP faithful express their expectations that everyone should vote GOP...or else.

When those GOP faithful resort to coersion (if you don’t then...ITEOTWAWKI) and name calling (if you don’t you must be lib/marxist/islamophile/methodist etc) then their forceful requests are no longer requests they are demands.

They act like they are cashing a check and my vote is the currency, payable on demand.

The GOP doesn’t stand for liberty or freedom any more...accepting that at one time it did. The GOP is just the flip side of the coin with the Democrats being the other.

And neither are acceptable IMO.


43 posted on 06/27/2008 9:30:45 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: MileHi
Gonna get interesting Archy.

Watch yer knot...

Thanks, Pal. I was with friends, and we did. Now down from LertCon 4, though the situation regarding Iran-Istael still bears watching, and also has the potential to force *interesting times* upon us.

44 posted on 06/27/2008 9:58:12 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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