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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Shows someone intentionally lied about his age in order to try to make him eligible to be President.

That site that said he was 3 in 1967 is run or edited apparently by Barnett an award winner at CBS.

1,201 posted on 07/05/2008 1:14:15 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Just absolutely damn!


1,202 posted on 07/05/2008 1:14:36 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm

“It’s understandable that Obama overlooks the particulars, since Ann Dunham was probably a minor when Barack Obama Sr., an already married 24-year-old, impregnated her?

Obama weighed eight pounds, two ounces when he was born on August 4, 1961 (p. 22 of Dreams from My Father), so we can assume he went close to full term, or nine months.

His parents’ marriage took place six months before his birth on February 2nd, 1961. Nine months before Obama’s birth would be early November 1960, about three to four weeks before Ann Dunham’s 18th birthday on November 29, 1960...”


1,203 posted on 07/05/2008 1:27:28 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: null and void
Could be that Hillary's folks have know about this age discrepancy for some time.

The whole scenario we are going through right now may just what her doctor ordered.

Hillary can actually afford to wait until just before the convention to spring the trap that those old nasty conservative blogers have found that Obam is not qualified err...really qualified because his past family life is so screwed up literally.

At this point all we know about Obama or whoever he really (he might be Junta Quinta) is that he was born on planet earth to a woman about 17 who later married a man who was married to another woman then his mother separated and moved in with another man who took them to Indonesia and then blah, blah, blah, blah damn this is confusing.

1,204 posted on 07/05/2008 1:41:40 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: OKIEDOC
This snopes site refutes the wells site though and states that the quote in the wells site only applies if born outside the US. So according to Snopes Obama is eligible if he was born in Hawaii.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

1,205 posted on 07/05/2008 1:47:30 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
This would account for the 3 year discrepancy and how they lied in the article and said that he was 3 in 1967. They tried to make it look like he was born in 1964 maybe so that the mother would have been 21 when in fact she was 18.

This I think is it.

I think your analysis is correct. This looks like a real bombshell...

1,206 posted on 07/05/2008 1:51:48 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins; SE Mom
Not taking a position on this but does this article show the real or a forged certificate?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

This is a find because it has the Obama Campaign claiming this is indeed the authentic passport of Obama. Which we know now to be a forgery...

Quote from this blog:

(UPDATE: In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate.")

--Andrew Malcolm

1,207 posted on 07/05/2008 1:58:13 AM PDT by dalight
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To: Cyropaedia
The question then that I have is Does that rule quoted on the wells site only apply to people born outside the US? or would it apply to people born in the US too.

If it doesn't apply to people born in the US as the snopes article suggests then the question is where was Obama born?

What do you make of this part of it?

1,208 posted on 07/05/2008 1:59:24 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Spunky

In 1967 and therabouts, there was a period when we wore “sack “ dresses that looked like maternity dresses. We wore them short with white stockings. I remember mine and my mother in law laughing when she saw me in it saying I looked pregnant.It was all the rage with the young hippie set. And those were the years of hippie clothing, long with beads and loose fitting.


1,209 posted on 07/05/2008 2:06:30 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: dalight
Check out what Thomas Sowell of the Hoover Institute of Stanford has to say on this according to the site: http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=10094

He backs up the wells site it seems, not the snopes site.

1,210 posted on 07/05/2008 2:06:40 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Well, after that link said Obama was 3 in 1967, I'm not sure what to think.

We now realize that there's a lot of misinformation being fed to a lot of different parties.

Someone is trying to cover up something. Maybe Obama actually was born outside the U.S..

We already know that they told the (step) grandmother to lie about being a Muslim. She told the NY Times she was a Muslim, but told USA Today that she was a Christian.

1,211 posted on 07/05/2008 2:13:38 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Spunky

It looks too long for a maternity top to me. I think it is sort of a prairie dress/sack. We all wore them in the sixties. But I miss my muu muu,,I remember that my sisters and I all were young, having babies and loved our mumus. In fact I have apic of me in one in 1972!!


1,212 posted on 07/05/2008 2:15:43 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Isn’t his birthday DEc 7? That might account for ayear discrepancy. I think he is turning 47 isn’t he? In Dec of this year.


1,213 posted on 07/05/2008 2:17:36 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Enchante

Russian was a hot study in 1960 and after. I had friends studying it in the early sixties. It was right after sputnik and was a pretty novel and new major in college. Studying Russian doesn’t make a communist in my experience.


1,214 posted on 07/05/2008 2:21:30 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl
No December doesn't account for it. It is a 3 year discrepancy. The forged birth certificate says that he was born in 1961. The linked article says that he was 3 years old in 1967. This was I think intentional to try to make the mother look like she was 21 at the age of his birth, 5 years over 16, rather than 18 years old as she was apparently in 1961.
1,215 posted on 07/05/2008 2:30:21 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins; SE Mom
I got to digging through your prior link and see that much of this has already been said 10 days ago. So we are kind of retreading this water. More interestingly, I found some stuff in one of the posts that set off some bells about folks who are posting here with an anti-McCain agenda.

At some point, someone is going to have to make some sort of formal legal action to challenge Obama's citizenship.

I don't know what forum that would take or who has legal standing. I think that the Reps would rather let this fester until the convention is over at this point.. seeing that this analysis is essentially in the bank and MSM has decided to let it die for now.

We will see.. but unless and until something solid comes from Kenya... I believe that this thread had done all it can for now.

I have been impressed even though it has alot of fever swamp running around.

1,216 posted on 07/05/2008 2:32:03 AM PDT by dalight
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To: cajungirl
3 year difference between reported birth years of 1961 and 1964 and a 3 year difference between the mother being 18 and 21 and it possibly having bearing on whether he is eligible to be president.

I don't think that this is coincidence.

The article could have gotten it wrong accidentally and stated that he was 3 years old in 1967 when it should have stated that he was older.

Again the forged birth certificate says that he was born in 1961. That is a 3 year difference whether he was born in 1961 or 1964. This isn't a one year dating difference that we are talking about.

I don't think it was an accident that there is a 3 year difference in the reported birth year and a 3 year difference in the age that his mother may have needed to be for Obama to be eligible.

I believe people lied intentionally.

1,217 posted on 07/05/2008 2:35:58 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Cyropaedia
Yes, if he was born outside the US that would have given reason to lie intentionally about what age he was.
1,218 posted on 07/05/2008 2:41:50 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

That is possible if they read the law as closely as we have.

When one is constantly confused as in this case,odd dates, sloppiness in labeling things, it is hard not to think that behind the “confusion” is an attempt to deceive. EVerything becomes so laden with mistaken info that the intent is suspect.

There is something odd here.


1,219 posted on 07/05/2008 2:44:58 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: davandbar
I KNEW THAT HIS FUND RAISING WAS BULL****.

OBAMA’S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING

One of the web site security monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly coming in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and frequency of transmission it was clear these donations were “programmed” by a very sophisticated user.

While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia.

1,220 posted on 07/05/2008 4:08:09 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Enchante
Someone wanted to put this material in play, but this sure isn’t the way to do it (unless it’s pre-emptive strike from a Soros-groupie who wants to discredit this whole line of inquiry.

Bingo!

1,221 posted on 07/05/2008 4:13:42 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Allegra
Thanks for posting that. I didn't expect that from MoDo.
I guess she's still pining for Hillary?

10 to 1 odds the clintonistas were the source. They, better than anyone (I'm speaking of Bill Clinton mostly), would understand illegal foreign campaign contributions. The Chicoms contributed millions ... and in turn were given access to our top rocket guidance & weapon technology.

1,222 posted on 07/05/2008 4:20:46 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Spunky

The sign says “Philippine Airlines”...probably already pointed out, but nevertheless.


1,223 posted on 07/05/2008 4:23:35 AM PDT by bricklayer
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To: AmericaUnited; Enchante; davandbar

surely you’ve all seen this....(the beginning) where we are led to believe the ‘palestinians’ are contacting potential (muslim?) voters in the US, encouraging them to vote for obama...

My interpretation would be they are soliciting MONEY from around the middle east to be sent PAYPAL to the obama campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g


1,224 posted on 07/05/2008 4:27:36 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Grampa Dave

>>Able Danger<<

I absolutely agree and remember all of those threads. China IS connected to East Africa too.

This is why I strongly suggest that we refer this to ICE.gov. If falls under their juristication, they can investigate and prosecute (if needed), they have the resources, they are under Homeland Security, we already pay them (taxes), this is more than a forged ID-it is a National Security issue.


1,225 posted on 07/05/2008 4:42:54 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Mike Darancette
If he was born in Hawaii he has the same right to be president as any anchor baby born in Calixco.

Ah. But that is the point. The "anchor baby" has no right to become President if at the time of his birth his parents were not U.S. citizens. The "anchor baby" may be a citizen, but does not qualify as "natural-born."

The reason that the issue is important regarding Nobama is because his father was not a citizen, and his mother may/or may not qualify to be the sole parent of a "natural born" citizen.
1,226 posted on 07/05/2008 5:25:27 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: davandbar

The Maureen Dowd internet fundraising story may have been faked. It wasn’t on the NY Times web site for Jun 29th.
This page is from Obama’s site, but it confirms this story was not by Maureen Dowd

Maureen Dowd spoof spreads
By Dave McLane - Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:01 am EDT
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/davemclane/gGxdrv/commentary

PhillyGuy


1,227 posted on 07/05/2008 5:36:12 AM PDT by PhillyGuy1
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To: SE Mom
I saw that, too, but it doesn't add much to the story. The DeCosta and Obama certificates are pretty obviously on a different template without examining them this closely. This other legitimate birth certificate appears to use the same template as the Obama/McKinnon certificate.
1,228 posted on 07/05/2008 5:43:46 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

You’re right -it doesn’t add much- but it affirms quite a bit.

Your template does appear the same or similar- where did you find it?


1,229 posted on 07/05/2008 5:48:35 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: PhillyGuy1

Maybe the Dowd story was faked to create a smoke screen that Obama was listed as a recipient from Norman Hsu?

http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2007/09/01/norman-hsu-and-dnc-fundraisers.aspx


1,230 posted on 07/05/2008 5:54:00 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: SE Mom

Is Jay McKinnon any relation to Mark McKinnon????


1,231 posted on 07/05/2008 5:56:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Fred Nerks
His mother would have had an up to date passport on which the son, probably known as Barry Dunham, and later adopted as Soetoro, would have been included. Minor children don't require their own passports, do they?

I guess I don't know what the law was in 1961, but when I flew overseas in 1987, my newborn son needed a passport. If the law was the same in 1961, and BHO was born in Kenya, as some here suggest as a reason to forge a US birth certificate, then how did he even manage to enter the country?

This forged birth certificate matters, I think, but the story of birth in Kenya just carries less and less credibility the more I try to learn where that rumor started. And if he was born in Hawaii, then the forged online certificate proves nothing, that will have any significant political impact.

I still think, if indeed the certificate on Obama's official site is derived from the forged one (as it appears to be) the campaign needs to respond in some way - such as producing his actual certificate, on paper, for a legitimate news organization to examine.

1,232 posted on 07/05/2008 6:03:42 AM PDT by PhatHead
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1,233 posted on 07/05/2008 6:06:52 AM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: Dog Gone

Actually I want to know what his real name is and what race is noted as on his birth certificate.

Why he won’t release it is just silly.


1,234 posted on 07/05/2008 6:15:23 AM PDT by Lovebloggers (uate)
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To: SE Mom

That was posted on another thread here on FR last week or so. The owner was a FReeper, but I’m afraid I kept only this link, not the original thread. This image only affirms that the state does use slightly different templates, so that analysis showing the templates are different between DeCosta and BHO doesn’t really mean much. The Kos forgery looks like this template.


1,235 posted on 07/05/2008 6:19:59 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhillyGuy1; davandbar; Enchante; Fred Nerks; BIGLOOK; SE Mom; Calpernia

Well it appears that the out of character MoDo article on the Obamination’s funding was phoney.

No wonder I couldn’t find it on the internet last night before I crawled off to bed:

The Maureen Dowd internet fundraising story may have been faked. It wasn’t on the NY Times web site for Jun 29th.
This page is from Obama’s site, but it confirms this story was not by Maureen Dowd.

Thanks to PhillyGuy1 for this reply and to the others who spotted the fake column and pinged us.

Maureen Dowd spoof spreads
By Dave McLane - Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:01 am EDT
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/davemclane/gGxdrv/commentary

PhillyGuy


1,236 posted on 07/05/2008 6:59:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: DietCoke

Thanks for the warning:

I’m guessing that the Maureen Dowd article is bogus. It doesn’t match up with her June 29th column in the NYT...

:-(


1,237 posted on 07/05/2008 7:01:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Grampa Dave

It will be interesting to see if Dowd investigates the source. Or if she silently condones the identity fraud of her name being used.


1,238 posted on 07/05/2008 7:18:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Trust but Verify???”

Jim, we could go all day with this...;-)

But at the end of the day, does this hold water???

Two things could happen...

One, this is true and he is not able to take office, even if he wins the election...

Two, Hillary is asked by the democrat party to take the nomination, and make a weak attempt to rally the party and lose to McCain...To which she obviously doesn’t match up too well against...

I’m torn between these two possibilities...

If there are more out there, I’m game to listen...

This is actually kinda fun...

But don’t blame me, I voted for Fred...;-)


1,239 posted on 07/05/2008 7:18:52 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Grampa Dave

Odd, isn’t it? I’ve followed the various trackbacks and it’s still not easy to discover where the piece originated.

It seemed like a spoof at first reading- but it doesn’t have enough obvious satire to be a joke.

Hard to know just what to make of this one- but that’s SOP in this election cycle.


1,240 posted on 07/05/2008 7:22:41 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Spunky
'"Barack Obama Sr. poses with his son in the Honolulu airport during Obama Sr.’s only visit to see his son while he was growing up in Hawaii. Young Barack was in the 5th grade when the photo was taken. (Photo courtesy of Barack Obama / March 23, 2007)' Something very strange is going on here. The San Francisco sign is so easy to see in that picture of him with his father. The one with Barack Sr. and Ann the wording above is very hard to read. I guess since the angle is slightly different could make it harder to read. But could it say "Philippines" like you thought it said in the one picture and also "San Francisco"? I am not familiar with airports.

One of the labels needs to be incorrect--because both pictures were taken at the same time; the background photos down to the man in the background and his dress all line up.

The flip from Philippines to San Francisco may be an early destination sign changing. Honolulu is one airport in which I have not spent any material time.

As someone else suggests earlier, it should be considered that the boy is not Barack but his half brother. The cheek bones on the boy appear too low for Barack. Although the boy in the picture looks much like Barack in the family picture on the couch posted later.

Another research task that should be considered by someone with the expertise to undertake it is to learn the available airline routing between Honolulu and Kenya in the early 1960's. It is possible that the only or most available routing is traveling East, not West. All connections through San Francisco and the East Coast.

The incorrect references in the news media look on reflection like an effort to manufacture a time line for these events. If she is really standing in the departure lobby of the Honolulu airport, three months pregnant in her wedding dress, it looks like she is going somewhere.

Her family is in Honolulu. Where is she going? There is certainly an obvious inference.

This fits with another new fact. In the Chicago Tribune article (or Time or both), they quote (self-serving testimony by) Barack that when mother applied for a passport to Indonesia, it was her first passport and first trip out of the country. So she never saw her inlaws in Kenya? Really? Certainly, she was never there when he was born?

The first passport story might well fit the facts. I believe although have not confirmed, that as late as the early sixties, not only could the child travel on the mother or father's passport; so could the wife travel on the husband's passport. So there may in fact be some kind of wedding confirmation in Hawaii around the end of the year in 1961, then used by the father as a basis to travel the wife.

They were going to Kenya where he had influence and may not have needed to be concerned about entry documents and visas. On the return, even if he was not with them, under then applicable law, she got back into the country with her Driver's License--probably with a Kenya birth certificate for her kid, he got in also.

1,241 posted on 07/05/2008 7:26:57 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

I’m not even convinced that is Obama Jr. in that picture with Obama Sr. He had other children in Kenya.

One thing that is bothering me in that picture is there is more flash reflection off the child then the man. Like two different lightings were used. And both, the man and child, were in the same angle of the camera.

In my photo software, I can lighten up one person and leave the other. I can make it look like a flash affect too.


1,242 posted on 07/05/2008 7:37:23 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: SE Mom
..it’s still not easy to discover where the piece originated.

This is where I first read it ::::

Pelican Parts Forum

1,243 posted on 07/05/2008 7:37:49 AM PDT by DietCoke
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To: Calpernia

Maybe that “Allen” Genius can track down the source...


1,244 posted on 07/05/2008 7:38:45 AM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: DietCoke

Thanks! I had seen that- but will go back and read the comments.


1,245 posted on 07/05/2008 7:44:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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I'm sorry, that boy looks more like Malik Obama.
1,246 posted on 07/05/2008 7:45:21 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: xmission

Bump! LOL.


1,247 posted on 07/05/2008 7:45:58 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ameagle
Supposedly, this picture is from the same Christmas visit. (google appears to be very selective in how they present obama - manyu positive pics/stories - is there a more neutral search engine) Barack Obama, aged about 10, with his mother Ann and father Barack Senior, celebrating Christmas in Hawaii. Although his parents separated when he was two, they stayed in touch. His father returned home briefly from Harvard. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Media-Gallery/20082851310110

In this picture, Ann is definitely older than she was in the earlier picture. Note also a comparison of Obama's face with the boy in the airport picture--they look very much alike but here, Obama's face looks much different: Thiner; different cheekbones.

1,248 posted on 07/05/2008 7:46:07 AM PDT by David (...)
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You are right David. These aren't the same boys being depicted. I think the airport one is Malik.




1,249 posted on 07/05/2008 7:52:47 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Fred Nerks; Allegra; davandbar

So much for the McCain Feingold campaign Laws.....HA!


1,250 posted on 07/05/2008 8:05:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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