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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: David
San Fran was the principal route, and for passenger traffic I believe it was the only route until about 1967 (when the TransPacific Route rate cases were resolved).

Airlines were subject to two major disabilities in the 1960s when it came to the Pacific.

First of all, the Pacific is really big and planes then commonly used could barely make trips to Hawaii from San Fran and Tokyo. The 747 was put into service in 1970. The 737 in 1968. The 727 in 1963. The 707 saw its first flight in 1957.

The other disability was government regulation. Without an established rate no airplane at all could fly on a commercial route.

The new, big jets being planned and built by Boeing forced the issue of establishing rates for passengers, cargo, baggage, express and mail on routes that'd never before existed.

1961 was not really a good year to look for a cheap trip to Africa Fur Shur.

2,351 posted on 07/08/2008 8:35:32 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Fred Nerks; WOSG

Typical.

The leftists are acting as if they had something to hide.

You got flack, you were over the target. Someone went to some effort to track down your home address, from this I surmise that the truth must be something sufficiently juicy to make it worthwhile.

Stay safe, and thanks for shining a little light in a cockroach and ‘rat infested corner.

WOSG, why do you suppose he was threatened, if the left has nothing to hide?

I submit that if there was nothing there, the left would be more than happy to let us spin our wheels and look foolish.


2,352 posted on 07/08/2008 8:35:51 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: AppyPappy

I make her to be two years old give or take four months.


2,353 posted on 07/08/2008 8:36:50 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
To your #2347: Sure looks like the same boy, wide-wristband watch and hair style. Who is the little girl?,

With all due respect, I don't think I agree with you.

In the 1970's, those wide wrist bands were the in thing. But look carefully at these two--the one on the boy in the airport has edges that extend well beyond the watch face; the one on Obama does not. Different.

He's thinner--look at the arms and ankles. His mouth is narrower--clearly much narrower. His nose is narrower.

Obama is just not the boy in the airport picture.

The picture I do have difficulty with is the family picture on the couch in Indonesia. If the boy there is presented as Obama, he doesn't look like either the yard picture here or the family Christmas picture from 1971.

Also a problem is the lack of an explanation for the half-brother being in Honolulu in 1960. They really got married in Honolulu and the half-brother son came for the wedding? If so, we ought to find the wedding somewhere and it will make it more difficult to put Stanley Ann in Kenya in that time frame although I remain of the view that likely that is where she went.

Incidentally, the little girl is the Indonesian half-sister who is now one of the primary sources of information and pictures.

2,354 posted on 07/08/2008 8:39:23 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: WOSG
False. Danny Pearl was in Pakistan.

Keep reading.

I had the same recollection. Turns out that while yes, the was beheaded in Pakistan, he was investigating islamist funding with smuggled tanzanite. Tanzanite only comes from Tanzania (hence the name) and guess who controls the tanzanite mines and trade.

Yup, Barak's very own tribe, the Luo...

2,355 posted on 07/08/2008 8:46:48 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: muawiyah

The trans-Pacific is a tough route to monitor Air Traffic wise until lately, because the long range radio contacts are so feeble and full of static. The radio operators who worked that are said to have had really good ears and a gift for it.


2,356 posted on 07/08/2008 8:47:00 AM PDT by bvw
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To: David

How old is Malik? Would he be around 10 in 1960-61?

I thought that BO, Sr was in his early 20s when he met Stanly Ann. He would have only been a early-mid teen when Malik was born if Malik was 10 in 1960.


2,357 posted on 07/08/2008 8:48:51 AM PDT by RubyR
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To: WOSG

Please ping me when you name me in a post.


2,358 posted on 07/08/2008 8:49:43 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: WOSG
BTW, this thread has served a purpose: there is 100% certainty that both McCain and Obama are eligible to be President.

In your mind.

2,359 posted on 07/08/2008 8:51:05 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: El Gato
What I'd like is for both Obama and McCain to be declared ineligible, and then we'd get a really weird "do over" of a really weird primary election season.

Me too.

But I don't expect to get that.

Me neither.

2,360 posted on 07/08/2008 8:53:10 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
A citizen? Yes, whether he was born in Africa or Akron.

We agree that he is a citizen, regardless of the location of his birth.

No, I don't think he is a citizen at all if he was born in Kenya. I remain skeptical about the operation of Sec. 1401 with respect to illegitimate children but even if RayCPA's analysis as set forth in Henry K. Chang's opinion is correct, I have heard from several divorce lawyers, one of whom is doing research to confirm his view, that any kind of marriage makes Obama legitimate and out of Sec. 1401, even one that does not comply with local law for other reasons.

In a Common Law jurisdiction, you can see the policy arguments that support that kind of rule.

2,361 posted on 07/08/2008 8:53:49 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

We disagree re the boy in the two photos then. In the back of the airport photo to the left of the Dad’s head is what looks to me to be a 27” or bigger color terminal. That can help date the photo too.


2,362 posted on 07/08/2008 8:53:53 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Diver Dave
Birth Certificates are not issued for Messiahs. Move Along. :)

Of course not. They get a star in the East. Weren't y'all watching?

2,363 posted on 07/08/2008 8:54:48 AM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: WOSG

The Chicago Tribune -Obama’s home town paper- says Neil Abercrombie says Barak and Stanley Ann were married.

That certainly proves it.


2,364 posted on 07/08/2008 8:58:41 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: bvw

That is, if the monitor is a color — and that’s not obvious, the glowing screen image is blueish rather than grayish is the only clue I see — it makes the photo no earlier than 1972 at the very outside, and more likely 1973 or after.


2,365 posted on 07/08/2008 9:01:14 AM PDT by bvw
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To: RubyR
How old is Malik? Would he be around 10 in 1960-61?

I thought that BO, Sr was in his early 20s when he met Stanly Ann. He would have only been a early-mid teen when Malik was born if Malik was 10 in 1960.

Don't know the answer to that at the moment.

And another defect in the legend is that the boy in the airport doesn't look ten, he looks about 7--still some immature fat in his face. How old was Obama when his sister was born? Maybe that is part of the explanation for the couch picture which is being presented as Obama.

2,366 posted on 07/08/2008 9:01:59 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: RubyR
Just in case they try to change things again.

The site www.imdb.com/name/nm2138204 has this entry currently:

Maya Soetoro advertisement photos board add contact details

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Overview

Date of Birth:1 September 1971 more

Trivia:Half-sister of Barack Obama. They share the same mother, Ann Dunham.

2,367 posted on 07/08/2008 9:04:12 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

The smoking gun. Maya has two birthdays. And birth places.


2,368 posted on 07/08/2008 9:08:22 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: bvw
We disagree re the boy in the two photos then. In the back of the airport photo to the left of the Dad’s head is what looks to me to be a 27” or bigger color terminal. That can help date the photo too.

Life goes on, what can I say.

Does anyone yet know if the pictures of the Departure Lounge are the old Honolulu terminal or the new terminal. The new terminal was built in the sixties, between 1960 and 1970. So if these pictures were taken in the new terminal, both of them are in the 70's and Obama's simply mistaken about the picture of Ann being a "wedding picture". On the other hand, if both are taken in the old terminal, it fixes the pictures too early for the boy to be Obama and supports the "wedding picture" description and the version that has them in the departure lounge waiting to go to Kenya.

2,369 posted on 07/08/2008 9:09:31 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: null and void
Not disbelieving you here but you say that you can show us testimony of family members in Kenya who say Obama was born there. Where can we see that?
2,370 posted on 07/08/2008 9:12:31 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: David
If he was born in Hawaii could you explain to me why you see him as possibly not being under Section 1409?
2,371 posted on 07/08/2008 9:16:20 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Raycpa; WOSG
The 1790 law has changed a number of times and doesn’t resemble the original when Obama or McCann was born.

WOSG's point wasn't the current validity of the 1790 law, it was that the 1790 law provided a fairly accurate snapshot of the Founder's intent.

I submit that the 1790 law assumed that the off shore parent was a white male, and it was just to obvious for words to have to say so explicitly!

2,372 posted on 07/08/2008 9:16:36 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: David
Under the circumstances, they were not going to spend the money on hiring counsel to complete a divorce proceeding unless they were married.

I have a friend who is trying to get out of a lesbian marriage.

Part of the problem (and what is making her lawyer rich) is you can't get a divorce if you aren't legally married. She was. Then the law changed and she retroactively wasn't, except she legally still is, even though she wasn't and was...

2,373 posted on 07/08/2008 9:22:05 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Could you, though, direct me to that information so I can archive it?

Gah! It's up thread. Let me get caught up and I'll see if I can find it.

2,374 posted on 07/08/2008 9:24:23 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
If he was born in Hawaii could you explain to me why you see him as possibly not being under Section 1409?

Because Sec. 1409 only applies to out of US births--if he was born in Hawaii, he wins. He is both a citizen and eligible to serve as President.

Only reason Sec. 1409 is at issue is because of the assumption that he was born in Kenya.

Reason for the fake Birth Certificate is because there either isn't a real Birth Certificate available for a birth in Hawaii or alternatively a certificate of the data on file from August 8, 1961 will show information that casts doubt on the legend of Honolulu birth.

2,375 posted on 07/08/2008 9:25:32 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
Apropos of the background of much of the Obama interest:
On this date in 1876, white supremacists kill five Black Republicans in Hamburg, SC.
Democrats, like Marxists, kill to get their way.
2,376 posted on 07/08/2008 9:27:38 AM PDT by bvw
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To: null and void
I have a friend who is trying to get out of a lesbian marriage.

Part of the problem (and what is making her lawyer rich) is you can't get a divorce if you aren't legally married. She was. Then the law changed and she retroactively wasn't, except she legally still is, even though she wasn't and was...

Off the cuff, not knowing what the facts are, that also reflects usual marriage law. The law tends to uphold the marriage as valid between the parties (until terminated by a legal proceeding) or between one of the parties and another person whose rights would be adversely affected by reliance on validity of a marriage which either didn't exist or is subject to some legal flaw.

2,377 posted on 07/08/2008 9:30:21 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David; WOSG
I think Nulley's #2341 is a pretty fair response to WOSG's comments which are really pretty excessive in tone.

FWIW, I don't think WOSG's tone is excessive. He (she?) is a passionate man, defending a passionately held belief.

It's not the language or tone I would take, but it is well within what I would regard as the limits of political discourse.

2,378 posted on 07/08/2008 9:35:50 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: David; WOSG

You if you, a lawyer ‘skilled in the art’ and with abundant time to dispassionately think it over, believe that a birth in Kenya would deny Barak American citizenship, what must Stanley Ann have thought?

Finding out her groom was already married must have been a bit of a shock...


2,379 posted on 07/08/2008 9:45:09 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
Yes, we know that Maya Soetoro-Ng has a listed birthday of August 15, 1970 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

We also know that US public records list her as being born on September 1, 1971.

Does the fact that the 1971 date is accessible through US public records mean that she has a US birth certificate? A US birth certificate existing for Maya who was born in Jakarta, Indonesia has to look like a strong possibility here. Otherwise why would she have two different birthdays.

Which day would they celebrate?

Must have been fun growing up in that household if they celebrated both. Maya would have gotten to have one birthday party on August 15th and then could have celebrated her birthday again on September 1st.

In her second birthday party in a month she would also get to say that she was a year younger than she had turned in her prior birthday party.

There are other women out there who would like to say that too.

2,380 posted on 07/08/2008 9:45:27 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Not disbelieving you here but you say that you can show us testimony of family members in Kenya who say Obama was born there. Where can we see that?

I was mentioned up thread, reference was the Israeli site, IIRC.

Gimme a bit to dig.

2,381 posted on 07/08/2008 9:48:32 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Dog Gone

What if he was adopted?


2,382 posted on 07/08/2008 9:56:30 AM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); aruanan
In post #2,189, aruanan references a WaPo article here:

John McCain's Birthplace

2,383 posted on 07/08/2008 9:59:46 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
We have had a lot of people on this thread ask sarcastically Why would she go to Kenya to give birth?

Barack Obama Sr. was a Muslim and it is a Muslim tradition to give birth in the parents' home which would have been in Kenya.

http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_mslm.html

Rituals And Cerimonies

Muslim: The rites and ceremonies observed by Muslims chiefly consist of those as relating to pregnancy, birth, naming, sacrifice, initiation, betrothal, marriage, and death,

Pregnancy: In the seventh or ninth month of pregnancy a fertility rite may be performed as among the Hindus. The woman is dressed in new clothes, and her lap is filled with fruit and vegetables by her friends. In some localities a ceremony to propitiate the spirits of ancestors is performed.

Child-Birth: A woman goes to her parents home after the last pregnancy rite and stays there till her confinement is over. The rites performed by the midwife at birth resemble those of the Hindus. When the child is born the azam or summons to prayer is uttered aloud in its right ear, and the, takbir or Muslim creed in its left. The child is named on the sixth or seventh day. The proper name for the male child is often formed by combining the prefix abd or servant, ghulam or slave, or suffix baks or 'given by' to the numerous titles of God. e.g. Abd-ul-Aziz, Rahim, Razak, Ghulam-Hussain; Khuda-baks Hyder-baks, etc.

2,384 posted on 07/08/2008 10:04:43 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins; PhatHead
Not disbelieving you here but you say that you can show us testimony of family members in Kenya who say Obama was born there. Where can we see that?

Here

2,385 posted on 07/08/2008 10:21:19 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins; PhatHead
And

Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen

Says in part:

"...Even though Geraghy notes that Obama "initially refused to provide his birth certificate," he has suggested that it is "rather unlikely" that Obama was born in Kenya, since it would require that the candidate and his family do a lot of lying. In fact, there were reports of Kenyati relatives claiming he was born there, and there is the mysterious disappearance of his grandmother, who may indeed know something about this subject..."

Emphasis added...

2,386 posted on 07/08/2008 10:27:24 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: RubyR
Your peoplefinders site and ancestry.com site state that Maya is 36 years old. That would mean they are using a birth date of 71 I think in the calculation. If she was born in 1970 she would be 37 years old.
2,387 posted on 07/08/2008 10:35:54 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: RubyR

You asked a very good question, which indicated an inconsistency with opendna’s posting at KOS:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/5/15947/95667/125/547039

The recent israelinsider posting also comments on this inconsistency:

“The only trouble with that statement is that McKinnon had already created the blank Hawaii birth certificate template for John McCain and the “Ahphorgerie” joke on June 12 before Fight the Smears had even published the birth certificate. Kos had published it that morning, about four hours earlier. Patricia DeCosta’s birth certificate surfaced in the blogosphere only a week later, on June 19. So how did he compare the documents? And why would he say it was the first he’d heard of the birth certificate controversy when he had already posted his own patently fake certificates.”

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm

This reflects directly on McKinnon’s (aka opendna) honesty about his involvement and personal credibility.

I believe he has not been factual or fully disclosed his actual involvement with either the KOS or Fight The Smears versions of the birth certificate documents. He knows this situation has not only blown up and is now out of his control, but there is also a real possibility he has validated several laws, both state and federal.

SE Mom and all FReepers, kept up the good investigative work, as this is diffidently not a “Case Closed” situation or the time to “just move on”, nor will it be until Mr. Obama can demonstrate to all citizens the actual status of his citizenship.


2,388 posted on 07/08/2008 11:05:18 AM PDT by thefaxman (A conservative surrounded by liberals, but I've got them right were I want them!)
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To: thefaxman

Validated? Damn spell check...


2,389 posted on 07/08/2008 11:15:28 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: WOSG
The location of the wedding was Honolulu Hawaii, where they both were students during that semester. Nothing happened in Kenya. She was never there.

Do you have any evidence of any nature that is the case?

If you can't come up with some off the cuff, the way you locate it is go to the local library and find copies of the December 1960 and January and February 1961 copies of the local Hawaii newspapers; locate the Vital Statistics pages; and look for a marriage in any form of Barrack H. Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham.

Meanwhile, I am looking in Mombasa and Nairobi and bet I find a record before you do! Best of Luck.

2,390 posted on 07/08/2008 11:45:46 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: thefaxman

Thanks for a great post. I’ll read “violated” for “validated,” unless you object. Welcome to FR.


2,391 posted on 07/08/2008 11:47:06 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: David
According to the Chicago Tribune, divorce of Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann occurred in 1964. Where and when—presumably Honolulu but I have not yet found that in the record; nor I have seen the actual date in 1964.

This April 9, 2008 Time Magazine story is specific as to the marriage date:

"On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. "Nobody was invited," says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama. "I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?" Obama wonders. 'I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more.'"

Note that the wedding date is taken from the divorce record; I've read elsewhere (but don't have the specific link) that the marriage certificate can't be found.

About the divorce:

"Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce."


2,392 posted on 07/08/2008 12:10:42 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: null and void

Validated should be violated.

Nothing gets past you, does it! Lol

Perhaps you can help direct me to find out more about the proper protocol and SOP’s of Free Republic posting, like pinging, etc...


2,393 posted on 07/08/2008 12:23:45 PM PDT by thefaxman (A conservative surrounded by liberals, but I've got them right were I want them!)
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To: null and void; WOSG

And here's Barry campaigning for the leader of the Luo tribe, (second) cousin Raila Odinga, out there in Kenya.

Charming.

2,394 posted on 07/08/2008 12:37:22 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: thefaxman

Protocol? No. But I do have a handy guide that covers about 95% of the HTML you’ll ever need to use here.


2,395 posted on 07/08/2008 12:38:11 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: soupcon

Here is a link you might like. Your post reminded me of it and I thought I would share.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2033604/posts


2,396 posted on 07/08/2008 12:40:43 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: David

Do you have any evidence of any nature that is NOT the case?


2,397 posted on 07/08/2008 12:47:20 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: browardchad

Thanks for the cites of these 2 relevent facts:

1) “On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama’s parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. “Nobody was invited,” says Abercrombie.

2) About the divorce: “Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing “grievous mental suffering”—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.”


2,398 posted on 07/08/2008 12:49:46 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: thefaxman
“The only trouble with that statement is that McKinnon had already created the blank Hawaii birth certificate template for John McCain and the “Ahphorgerie” joke on June 12 before Fight the Smears had even published the birth certificate. Kos had published it that morning, about four hours earlier. Patricia DeCosta’s birth certificate surfaced in the blogosphere only a week later, on June 19. So how did he compare the documents? And why would he say it was the first he’d heard of the birth certificate controversy when he had already posted his own patently fake certificates.”

He knows this situation has not only blown up and is now out of his control, but there is also a real possibility he has validated several laws, both state and federal.

"Houston, I think we have a problem...".

That observation nails the fundamental problem with McKinnon's "story". It needs to repeated throughout the blogosphere. This thing has spun out entirely out of his control and now he's looking for cover.

I think this is the underlying reason that the all important certification number is entirely blacked out. The CoLB never had one.

2,399 posted on 07/08/2008 12:55:55 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: browardchad
This April 9, 2008 Time Magazine story is specific as to the marriage date:

"On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. "Nobody was invited," says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama. "I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?" Obama wonders. 'I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more.'"

Note that the wedding date is taken from the divorce record; I've read elsewhere (but don't have the specific link) that the marriage certificate can't be found.

About the divorce:

"Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce."

What a great group of people. I know everyone else has a lot to do--I'm in a high-pressure business; if I wasn't having a good time, I would do something else. But I appreciate the help a lot.

I too have read elsewhere that the wedding certificate cannot be found; I haven't read the married in Maui point. I wonder where newspaper Vital Statistics for Maui are to be found.

If you found it in a Vital Statistics column, you would be tempted to believe it even if you didn't find the certificate. I don't know what the law in Hawaii is; in the states in which I am admitted, filing the certificate is mandatory on the person who performs the marriage.

I'm locked into my view that they got married in Kenya--it's a mistake to approach the facts that way because if you keep looking for the real facts the entire story ultimately comes out.

Here, counsel in the divorce proceeding pleaded Maui which is probably what his client told him; failure to find the filing is probably pretty good evidence that it didn't happen there unless you find Vital Statistics showing that it did.

We are still looking in Kenya.

2,400 posted on 07/08/2008 12:58:29 PM PDT by David (...)
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