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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: PhatHead; Dog Gone
Your response is absolutely correct Phathead. The law was changed in the 1970s to allow for citizenship to a child born outside the US, if ONE parent was a US citizen and the child was registered at the US Embassy. Prior to that, if you were an American citizen, and the other parent was a foreigner, if the child was born outside the US, the child was NOT a citizen, but had to go through the Naturalization process. I have direct knowledge of this process.

The real issue at question is WAS OBAMA BORN IN HAWAII AS HE CLAIMS OR WAS HE BORN OUTSIDE THE US AND ITS TERRITORIES.

I have seen nothing that indicates that he was not.

551 posted on 07/03/2008 10:49:17 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: txflake

You have to provide Birth Certificate to get a Passport.


552 posted on 07/03/2008 10:51:02 PM PDT by dalight
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To: happygrl

The real issue is why is a forgery being pawned off as real.


553 posted on 07/03/2008 10:51:18 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: WOSG
And further, HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. No matter who he parents were, he was born in the USA= natural born citizen.

Can you prove that he was born in Hawaii?

554 posted on 07/03/2008 10:51:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: taraytarah
UNLESS...the certificate i.d. is a problem in and of itself?

methinks he probably obtained a passport on the basis of a valid birth certificate, the only problem he has now is, that birth certificate most likely identifies him as BARRY DUNHAM or BARRY SOERTORO.

Having invented himself as Barack Hussein Obama, he now has nothing to confirm his identity as the Obamamessiah.

It's a little late to change his name officially, by Deed Poll now, isn't it?

VOTE FOR BARRY DUNHAM! BARRY DUNHAM FOR CHANGE! just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it? If his credibility wasn't already shot down in flames, it is now. Catch 22. Bet he wishes he had never written that autobiography.

555 posted on 07/03/2008 10:56:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SE Mom

btt


556 posted on 07/03/2008 10:56:24 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: txflake; PhilDragoo; happygrl; PhatHead; Dog Gone; Fred Nerks

I think it is an excellent Photoshopped job.

But the Link has some dynamite stuff!


557 posted on 07/03/2008 10:56:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think it is an excellent Photoshopped job.

Sure is! Made me sit up and look!

558 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

OK....that makes sense....and shows his ...uhhhh ...character....


559 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: fatima
Yes ,do you know how to check pings?

I know that to answer posts, it is strongly suggested you make reference to the post you're replying to, to avoid confusion. Does that answer your question?

560 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:23 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: Jim Robinson

Now that’s funny.


561 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Boy, it better be photoshop. I had !#^*ing stroke over that photo.


562 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:49 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Fred Nerks

Good point.

All he has to do is produce his original paper bc.....if he can.


563 posted on 07/03/2008 11:01:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: dalight
You have to provide Birth Certificate to get a Passport.

Not True!

Question: How Can I Apply for a Passport if I Don't Have a U.S. Birth Certificate?

Answer: The U.S. government prefers to issue American passports only to U.S. citizens. You need to prove your citizenship during the passport application process, normally with a U.S. birth certificate. Getting an American passport without a U.S. birth certificate is not impossible, though. The following information comes directly from the U.S. Department of State.

What You Will Need if You do Not Have a Certified Birth Certificate

1. Letter of No Record

2. As many of the following as possible:

These documents must be early public records showing the date and place of your birth, preferably created within the first five years of your life.


564 posted on 07/03/2008 11:03:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: SE Mom

I suspect that somewhere in the process, a candidate for President of the United States must present his bona fides to the Federal Election Commission or somesuch to prove his eligibility. I don’t know whether this has to wait until he is the actual nominee of his Party or what...

Then someone can sue under the Freedom of Information Act if it’s not automatically made public.


565 posted on 07/03/2008 11:03:20 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: REDWOOD99

//The real issue is why is a forgery being pawned off as real//

Exactly, and that is why this will get legs and stick to him.


566 posted on 07/03/2008 11:04:27 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Fred Nerks
that birth certificate most likely identifies him as BARRY DUNHAM or BARRY SOERTORO.

I can't agree that anything that insignificant would cause him such silence on the issue. I tend to agree with the passport-obtained-by-forged-b.c. people, OR yes, something on an original that he obtained the passport with, and doesn't want revealed now, thus the "revised edition." OR...my mind's still ticking...

567 posted on 07/03/2008 11:05:42 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: pissant

Bookmark


568 posted on 07/03/2008 11:06:22 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama= Not Hope & Change! He brings Hype & Chains!)
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To: David
David,Slow down and catch your breath,.Thank you for insights.
569 posted on 07/03/2008 11:06:36 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Gondring

When I magnified your picture of the certificate, I could see a date stamped on the back of the document that bled through...Jun 6 2007. What does that date signify?


570 posted on 07/03/2008 11:08:11 PM PDT by LUV W (Fact: Oil prices have skyrocketed up over 70% since the DIMs took over Congress in 2006!)
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To: taraytarah

Occam’s razor: What if his true BC was issued in Kenya or elsewhere, possibly with a different name than BHO on it?


571 posted on 07/03/2008 11:09:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
What if his true BC was issued in Kenya or elsewhere, possibly with a different name than BHO on it?

What if his passport was issued from elsewhere? But then don't they need updated every 10 years?

572 posted on 07/03/2008 11:13:16 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: taraytarah; Ernest_at_the_Beach
I can't agree that anything that insignificant would cause him such silence on the issue. I tend to agree with the passport-obtained-by-forged-b.c. people, OR yes, something on an original that he obtained the passport with, and doesn't want revealed now, thus the "revised edition." OR...my mind's still ticking...

It was the OR that did it! Something just clicked! (I'm going to get flamed,) but what IF...his daddy is neither African, nor Kenyan nor Negro on the birth cerficate, but ARAB?

Here is the truth about Mr. Obama's name, and his father's ancestors: True Negro tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father's decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to separate him from the African tribes. He may live among them, but he is not one of them. His father's message is that he is Arabic, not Negro.

just think about it...

573 posted on 07/03/2008 11:20:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"...Fake, but accurate..."

Yeah? ... who do you think you are, bub? ... get yer ass back to FLA, pal and we'll show you some serious FReepin'!

You newbies piss me off sometimes!

All my love, Jim ............. gonzo, with FRegards

574 posted on 07/03/2008 11:23:52 PM PDT by gonzo ("Shall Not Be Infringed" - The SCOTUS got it right ... for now ... FRegards)
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To: Fred Nerks

Im with you on that one...this from a thread days ago...

I think its something else as well, not whether hes a citizen or not. I find the race description “African” odd, maybe that’s the item being messed with. I’ve read on a number of threads that he’s only 6% black or some such nonsense. I know this is out there, but maybe he father was listed as something other than black (Arab maybe) and they are trying to hide that.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2037259/posts?page=49#49


575 posted on 07/03/2008 11:25:14 PM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Shelayne

Just marking my place...


576 posted on 07/03/2008 11:27:47 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: gswilder

Did my best to get the image blown up to post (where the hash marks don’t match) but can’t figure out how to do it and keep good resolution. Simply copy dna’s image and reduce brightness to -70 (I use serif photoplus so not sure if the # is same for reg photoshop.) Look at the = (hash marks) under the FA in “FATHERS RACE” and the = (hash marks) under the MO in “MOTHERS RACE” and let me know if you see the same thing I see (hash marks not lining up)

Just my opinion but it looks like OpenDNA copied the KOS file (his version is of less resolution-see post #527) and in response to jokes about McCains birth certificate created a blank one for posters to mess with for mcCain (he never “suggests that others “print one up” for candidate Obama” as the article claims)

The original KOS version may very well be a forgery, thats not my argument, but this OpenDNA creation and this story seems like a dead end. (again-I hope I’m wrong and those of you talking about “time stamps” please feel free to go into more detail)


577 posted on 07/03/2008 11:34:21 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: SE Mom

Ohferpityssake.

Don’t they have court houses in Hawaii? Isn’t his birth registered there, or somewhere at some official site in Hawaii? Can’t some intrepid “investigator” take this as an excuse to take a nice trip to Hawaii and just look up the documents there?

I say again, this is a side show. We need to be informing the public what a Marxist Obama truly is, not that some weird fan of his feels like he has to fake a birth certificate.


578 posted on 07/03/2008 11:34:38 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Sweet-talking Socialist Obama will trash the USA for the next 30 years. Vote McCain!)
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To: Slicksadick

the original article I excerpted from:

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html


579 posted on 07/03/2008 11:34:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: icwhatudo

Scroll WAY DOWN for lots of detail:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml


580 posted on 07/03/2008 11:38:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: MississippiMan; Polarik
I already have the image Polarik has visible. He mentions, however, the file I’m looking for, the high-rez original. Anybody know how to get in touch with him?

Try FReepmailing him, he registered recently and was posting a couple of days ago... I assume it's the same person.

581 posted on 07/03/2008 11:40:23 PM PDT by TheSarce (Why is John McCain running as a Republican? Just to torture us?)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, very familiar with his work and I’d love to see him go after this dna aspect and see if he sees the same mismatched hash marks as I do.


582 posted on 07/03/2008 11:45:31 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/update-daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certificates/#more-432

more here, my head hurts...


583 posted on 07/03/2008 11:58:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: TheSarce

Done. Thanks for the suggestion, Sarce. I didn’t know he was here.

MM


584 posted on 07/03/2008 11:59:35 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Dog Gone; All

It’s not whether he is a citizen, he is, it’s whether he qualifies as a natural born one. There are certain conditions that have to be met for THAT status. And to be president you HAVE to HAVE that status.

The current rules are NOT the same as those that were in force at the time of his birth.


585 posted on 07/04/2008 12:09:05 AM PDT by FARS
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To: SE Mom

How long till Osama Hussein Obama blames the whole matter on a renegade staffer?


586 posted on 07/04/2008 12:19:21 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Fred Nerks

LOL, same here. Good night all!


587 posted on 07/04/2008 12:19:30 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Eagles6; Red Steel
Actually, at one time, babies did not need passports. They traveled on their parent's passport.

At the time of BHO birth, in 1961, babies and small children were still able to travel on their parents' passport.

588 posted on 07/04/2008 12:32:35 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Eagles6; Red Steel
Another thought: perhaps the passport they were seeking was his mother's, Stanley Dunham.

If it was issued prior to BHO's birth, it might indicate that she had traveled overseas, giving evidence that he was not born in the US.

589 posted on 07/04/2008 12:36:03 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Dog Gone
Your absolutely right on where Obama was born.

He could have been born in a pig sty on Mars to Mao Tse Dong and it still would not matter as to whether or not he is a real US citizen as long as one of the parents was a US citizen.

I have from the start been extremely critical of this story.

However, there is something odd about why Obama will not post his original BC.

I'm thinking that the original might contain a middle name like Muhammad such as Baracks Hussein Muhammad Obama ll.

We need to get off the where was he born hype and concentrate on why the Obama campaign site posted a fake but accurate Dan Rather document.

We all know that liberals would rather embellish or hide the truth and that was learned from the Clinton's.

590 posted on 07/04/2008 12:37:23 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: chaosagent
I just posted agreeing with Dog Gone on where he was born.

I am ignorant of American law in 1981 as to the number of years and how old was his mother at the time.

This BC thing is complicated to those just now taking a fresh look as to why Obama and his campaign chooses a Dan Rather Document over just posting the real document.

Something is amiss, but what?

591 posted on 07/04/2008 12:42:23 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: PhilDragoo; All; 1035rep; 1curiousmind; 4woodenboats; 2ndDivisionVet; 5Madman2; 68skylark; ...

EASY QUICK REFERENCE

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-is-lying-fraud.html


592 posted on 07/04/2008 12:43:36 AM PDT by FARS
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To: SE Mom
Birth Certificate? I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BIRTH CERTIFICATE! I'M BARACK HUSSATAN OBEYMAO!


593 posted on 07/04/2008 12:53:36 AM PDT by smedley64 (Dems go all-in every 4 years with a 7-2 offsuit marxist, hoping to hit the flop big just one time.)
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To: Dog Gone

It has nothing to do with her 16th birthday.

You guys just make up crap.


So if you don’t believe me, just do a little research yourself.

“According to FindLaw.com, cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama’s birth, state, “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Now tell me again it doesn’t have anything to do with his mother’s 16th birthday.


594 posted on 07/04/2008 12:58:01 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: OKIEDOC

Here is the basic law in effect at the time.

Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born. Thus she had not resided in the US for at least 5 years after her 16th birthday.

“According to FindLaw.com, cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama’s birth, state, “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”


595 posted on 07/04/2008 1:02:16 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: WOSG

So when did that occur? It is very recent. It wasn’t in 1961 and the Founders would roll over in their graves at the thought.


596 posted on 07/04/2008 1:27:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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To: Dog Gone
My own son was born in Germany (Army Brat) and I don't think he's less of a citizen than anyone else in the country. No, I don't think this disqualifies him from the POTUS position.

But I am *very* curious as to *why* he'd go to the trouble unless he had something to gain... or something to loose.

It's worth dogging at a bit more, IMHO. There's a truth somewhere in this story and it's probably damaging to BO.

597 posted on 07/04/2008 2:00:20 AM PDT by Marie (Why is it that some people believe everything that happens is the will of G-d - except Israel?)
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“McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old” maybe he should check his own birth certificate...


598 posted on 07/04/2008 2:19:50 AM PDT by isom35
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To: SE Mom; pissant
Gee... and all I said was that race in 1961 = white, negro, red, yellow on all official documents. I do remember the forms that governments and schools asked us to fill out and check off. What do people think the Civil Rights Movement was all about? Blacks did not like the word negro because ignorant people had bastardized it by using the N word to describe anyone in their race along with segregating them because they were Black.

On Obama's faked-out birth certificate * race * for his father was listed as African. Hawaian government would have said negro. African is an origin like Italian, Israelite, French, German, Swedish, Haitian, Finish, French Canadian.

In August 1961, any legal or government document would have listed Obama's father as a negro... period...

But quite frankly, none of the Boston birth certificates listed the race of the father or the mother. And Boston birth certificates are handwritten.

And, it's doubtful that Hawaii would have gone to the expense of embossing the state seal on a birth certificate in 1961. Boston uses a watermark.

599 posted on 07/04/2008 3:13:52 AM PDT by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: chaosagent
Well, I did not know that.

So the law was changed in 1986.

Did the new law grandfather in those citizens like Obama.

The next big decision is does Obama know this and would he step back for Hillary.

Since we are dealing with liberals who have no real moral values based in Christianity I doubt they would want to honor any law.

Laws to liberals are made to keep conservatives in line.

Liberals are above the law.

600 posted on 07/04/2008 3:27:26 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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