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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: Polarik
So this announcement was in the Pumpkin Papers.

At midnight Hussein becomes a mouse.

7,701 posted on 05/16/2009 1:01:29 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Polarik; Gemsbok; LucyT
...However, there is also a better than even probability that the original microfilm was replaced with microfilm taken of a forged newspaper printout...

How easy would that be...with Madelyn Dunham working as a 'volunteer' at the library?

7,702 posted on 05/16/2009 3:12:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Exactly! We here at FR have a tough time diagnosing what may or may not have happened basically because we are not criminals.

Make no mistake about it that's who we are dealing with at the highest levels of govt. Criminal mobsters

Just think about all the missing pages, all the blacked out internet sheets we have run across,no one,except maybe the Clintons, more lifetime criminals,has ever scrubbed the web and covered their butts the way this mob does.

And don't forget all the lawyers barky took with him on his trips to Hawaii. Now why do you suppose he needs all those legal types to accompany him.

I would start at the office of Governor and if its a Dem you can start from there and works your way down to most any office of govt. in the state.

I assume that Barky can get to just about everyone and probably has.

7,703 posted on 05/16/2009 5:07:03 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rodguy911
I assume that Barky can get to just about everyone and probably has.

that covers everyone who agrees with his policies.

7,704 posted on 05/16/2009 5:44:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Polarik

The chickens come home to roost!


7,705 posted on 05/16/2009 6:15:33 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Fred Nerks

NO telling how far these clowns will go to get what they want. We know the Clintonistsas committed at least 55 murders, who knows what level this mob is at.


7,706 posted on 05/16/2009 7:00:26 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rodguy911; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Polarik; null and void; Chief Engineer

Off the top of my head, here’s the transparency that I can recall, feel free to add on!

1. All educational records sealed or missing.
2. All health related files have been sealed.
3. All state records sealed or unavailable.
4. Many photographs of him have been altered.
5. College yearbooks & articles related are missing.
6. News articles related to him disappear from the web.
7. International news articles related are scrubbed from web.
8. YouTube video’s that are unfavorable to him disappear.
9. He kept his Grandmother sequestered for nearly three years.
10. His Kenyan relatives are now guarded from interviews.
11. His passport file breached 3 times by men involved in his campaign.
12. He lacks classmates that substantiate Columbia (NY) years in college.
13. He lacks landlords/neighbors substantiating his whereabouts.
14. All family members that raised him are dead (Grands, Mom, & 2 Dads).
15. His calendar and Illinois congressional schedule is missing.
16. Selective Service Registration appears to be a nonstandard form.
18. Social Security Number appears to be a nonstandard issue.
19. Lack of gainful verifiable employment for at least a decade.
20. Lack of friends that have been identified from his past.
21. FOIA requests related to his life are stalled or refused.
22. His statements about past associations, routinely changes.
23. Birth Certificate to prove NB eligibility kept from citizenry.
24. All legal attempts to establish NB eligibillity are denied.
25. After accomplishing nothing, he wrote two books about himself.

Here’s what we know for sure:

He is a male of mixed race that is legally married with two daughters. He admits to using pot and cocaine in his young adulthood. His college poetry has homo-erotic undertones, his other writings are unavailable. He is a charismatic and well trained speaker that uses a teleprompter quite well. Although he did not graduate college with honors, he was accepted to Harvard’s School of Law. He was chosen above all the brightest minds of Harvard to be Chief Editor of the Harvard Law Review.

His political career was launched in the home of a domestic terrorist. He beat all of his political opponents (except the last) on either technicalites or by unsealing their personal family records. His friiends and associates contain a long list of Communists, Socialists, Nation of Islam leaders, the Weather Underground Terrorists, and corrupt Chicago politicians. His best friend and long-time mentor is an inflammatory racist preacher. He is able to raise hundreds of millions of dollars both domestically and most importantly from the Middle Eastern Islamic leaders.

Communists, Socialists, and the Liberal media outlets worship him as their god. The over-whelming majority of Muslims, Blacks, Gays, Jews, illegal aliens, convicted-felons, and welchers see him as their savior, as well. Most Hispanics (exception being Commie-hating Cubans & expat S. Americans) and college kids support his administration, too. Oh, and he’s left-handed.


7,707 posted on 05/16/2009 8:57:49 PM PDT by Gemsbok (Dead men tell no tales!)
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To: usmcobra

In which photos?


7,708 posted on 05/16/2009 9:03:52 PM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Polarik
This one for one appears odd
7,709 posted on 05/16/2009 9:12:52 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Polarik; usmcobra
I think usmcobra means this one:

IMO those artifacts exist because 'someone' attempted to show how the type doesn't line up.

Polarik, check the link I sent you. I think that's where the artifacts may have originated.

7,710 posted on 05/16/2009 9:13:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SE Mom

btt


7,711 posted on 05/16/2009 9:20:09 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Gemsbok

“You have to pinch yourself. A Marxist radical, who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of,worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power, anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.”

Melanie Phillips
Spectator, UK


7,712 posted on 05/16/2009 9:26:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: rodguy911

You are all also forgetting his very good friend Bobby Titcomb whose father was a judge and who would have had a seal for the state of HI. We already knew that Jr was not available during the week of June 2007 to request a copy of his C.O.L.B. from the state of HI. Earlier in that week he was always campaigning in various states and the two days he could have requested his C.O.L.B. he was involved in very intense “Negotiations and arguments” with other senators during the immigration reform debates which lasted throughout the night and were written up on Michelle Malkin’s blog. We already know that the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Ave. and Obama Sr lived at 625 11th Ave when Jr was born and we also know that when Ann and Jr made their first appearance after his birth we know he was described as very new and very pink and yet Ann didn’t know how to change his diapers. You all buy into “granny” Sarah saying she was present when he was born and yet you don’t think that she could have confused Jr with his half brother Mark who was born in 1964 when brother Malik was 6 and sister Auma was 4 and both would remember the birth of a baby brother.
Where would Ann have been that she wouldn’t have known how to change diapers and the negroid coloring wouldn’t have been apparent yet and was described by her friend Susan Blake as “very new and very pink”? Would Malik at the age of 3 and Auma at the age of 1 remember the birth of their baby brother? I very much doubt it.
You all want to buy into part of a story but forget about the backgrounds of the people involved including Eleanor Nordyke and her influence on the classification for the purposes of race for such things as how race can influence a person’s position in life. Eleanor Nordyke seized on an opportunity to have a little bit more time in the limelight with her claim to have been in the hospital at the same time as Ann and yet with her “fake story” you can tell she wove different times within that story especially when she mentioned that Madelyn mentioned how her grandson was a social worker, when by that time he was a state Senator and lawyer and no grandmother would confuse those positions. There is no doubt that Jr and his team seized on the opportune time to use the address to their advantage with the death of Orland and Thelma Lefforge the same way they seized on the opportunity of the death of the doctor but could then say that Barbara Nelson was “misquoted” that the doctor mentioned wasn’t actually the doctor who delivered Jr. They knew there were holes in Jr’s story and tried to fill them but found there were too many people asking questions and too many people eager to look under every rock. I still feel that if someone were to go sneak into the microfiche records at the Vancouver General Hospital in B.C. they would find the original records of birth for Jr.


7,713 posted on 05/16/2009 10:07:36 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer; LucyT

Here is the link as per your request

http://obamahawaiimap.com/

aand here is the direct quote which was done after the infamous ashes dump!

PUNCHBOWL CRATER The National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific is the resting place for over 38,000 casualties from WWII, the Korean and Vietnam Wars. A shrine commemorates the missing-in-action. The rim of this crater provides an incredible view of the city of Honolulu. This is the final resting place of Barack Obama’s beloved grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham.


7,714 posted on 05/17/2009 8:25:02 AM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer
I still feel that if someone were to go sneak into the microfiche records at the Vancouver General Hospital in B.C. they would find the original records of birth for Jr.

Anything is possible. But there are out there copies of records of the birth in Coast Hospital in Mombasa; coupled with testimony from observers; and other locals who have knowledge, it is a lot more likely that the birth actually occurred there rather than in Canada.

Frankly, all the date lines continue to point to the events which are not on the record in the US having occurred in Kenya--the marriage between Fall and Spring semesters at U of Hawaii for example. And in Kenya, marriage was a somewhat looser recording proposition than birth.

7,715 posted on 05/17/2009 9:39:21 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Fred Nerks; Polarik; Gemsbok

“His wife/companion Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died June 12, 2008.”

Oh My Goodness! How coincidental is this!?


7,716 posted on 05/18/2009 10:58:43 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: Polarik

0 looks way too big to me to be in that row. His shoulders measure almost as wide as the teacher’s in the top right. His head is similar in size to the ones in the front row but much larger than the children in the 3rd. And compared to the boys in the back row, he’s a giant! It’s a really strange looking picture.


7,717 posted on 05/18/2009 11:12:01 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: Fred Nerks; OafOfOffice

Ping & BTT.


7,718 posted on 05/23/2009 9:04:16 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

mark


7,719 posted on 05/23/2009 9:10:51 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: LucyT

Today I searched for any birth records for Obama, his mother Stanley Ann Dunham, his grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham and grandmother Madelyn Dunham, also Madelyns father Rollo or Rolland C Payne. I even did a genealogy brit record search for Michelle LeVaughn Robinson.

I found death records but not one birth anywhere. Stanley ann born in Kansas? Nope! Obama’s grandparents from the US, nope. Rollo born in the US, nope.

I do not profess to be the best genealogy researcher around but people do contact me for help and I generally can find who they are looking for.

Not only is obama hiding his past but his families past.

But I did find TWO SSN numbers for obama’s mother.

Name: Stanley A. Dunham
SSN: ***-**-****
Last Residence: 96826 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
Born: 29 Nov 1942
Died: 7 Nov 1995
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (1959-1960)

Name: Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham
SSN: ***-**-****
Last Residence: 96826 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii
Born: 26 Oct 1922
Died: 2 Nov 2008
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951)

Now something odd. Madelyn Dunham’s death was reported in a AP article. In that article of Mon, Nov. 03, 2008 Obama’s grandmother dies two days before election, there was a quote from Rolland Payne, 83, Quote:

“I think she thinks she was important in raising a fine young man,” Charles Payne, 83, said in a brief telephone interview from his Chicago home. “I doubt if it would occur to her that he would go this far this fast. But she’s enjoyed watching it.”

Then I find:

Name of Deceased: Charles Payne
Age at Death: 83
Obituary Date: 22 Oct 2008
Locations Mentioned in Obituary: Power
HI

He died before he gave a statement?


7,720 posted on 05/23/2009 11:13:48 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

from my research today;

Barack Obama’s grandmother, whose personality and bearing shaped much of the life of the Democratic presidential contender, has died, Obama announced Monday, one day before the election. Madelyn Payne Dunham was 86.
Obama announced the news from the campaign trail in Charlotte, N.C. The joint statement with his sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said Dunham died peacefully late Sunday night after a battle with cancer.

They said: “She was the cornerstone of our family, and a woman of extraordinary accomplishment, strength, and humility. She was the person who encouraged and allowed us to take chances.”

Obama learned of her death Monday morning while he was campaigning in Jacksonville, Fla. He planned to go ahead with campaign appearances. The family said a private ceremony would be held later.

Republican John McCain issued condolences to his opponent. “Our thoughts and prayers go out to them as they remember and celebrate the life of someone who had such a profound impact in their lives,” the statement by John and Cindy McCain said.

Last month, Obama took a break from campaigning and flew to Hawaii to be with Dunham as her health declined.

Obama said the decision to go to Hawaii was easy to make, telling CBS that he “got there too late” when his mother died of ovarian cancer in 1995 at 53, and wanted to make sure “that I don’t make the same mistake twice.”

Outside the apartment building where Dunham died, reporters and TV cameras lined the sidewalk as two police officers were posted near the elevator. Signs hanging in the apartment lobby warned the public to keep out.

Longtime family friend Georgia McCauley visited the 10th-floor apartment where Obama had lived with his grandparent.

“So many of us were hoping and praying that his grandmother would have the opportunity to witness her grandson become our next president,” said state Rep. Marcus Oshiro, an Obama supporter. “What a bittersweet victory it will be for him. Wow.”

The Kansas-born Dunham and her husband, Stanley, raised their grandson for several years so he could attend school in Honolulu while their daughter and her second husband lived overseas. Her influence on Obama’s manner and the way he viewed the world was substantial, the candidate himself told millions watching him accept his party’s nomination in Denver in August.

“She’s the one who taught me about hard work,” he said. “She’s the one who put off buying a new car or a new dress for herself so that I could have a better life. She poured everything she had into me.”

Obama’s nickname for his grandmother was “Toot,” a version of the Hawaiian word for grandmother, tutu. Many of his speeches describe her working on a bomber assembly line during World War II.

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham married in 1940, a few weeks before she graduated from high school. Their daughter, Stanley Ann, was born in 1942. After several moves to and from California, Texas, Washington and Kansas, Stanley Dunham’s job landed the family in Hawaii.

It was there that Stanley Ann later met and fell in love with Obama’s father, a Kenyan named Barack Hussein Obama Sr. They had met in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Their son was born in August 1961, but the marriage didn’t last long. She later married an Indonesian, Lolo Soetoro, another university student she met in Hawaii.

Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and stepfather at age 6. But in 1971, her mother sent him back to Hawaii to live with her parents. He stayed with the Dunhams until he graduated from high school in 1979.

In his autobiography, Obama wrote fondly of playing basketball on a court below his grandparents’ 10th-floor Honolulu apartment, and looking up to see his grandmother watching.

It was the same apartment Obama visited on annual holiday trips to Hawaii, a weeklong vacation from his campaign in August, and his pre-election visit in October. Family members said his grandmother could not travel because of her health.

Madelyn Dunham, who took university classes but to her chagrin never earned a degree, nonetheless rose from a secretarial job at the Bank of Hawaii to become one of the state’s first female bank vice presidents.

“Every morning, she woke up at 5 a.m. and changed from the frowsy muumuus she wore around the apartment into a tailored suit and high-heeled pumps,” Obama wrote.

After her health took a turn for the worse, her brother said on Oct. 21 that she had already lived long enough to see her “Barry” achieve what she’d wanted for him.

“I think she thinks she was important in raising a fine young man,” Charles Payne, 83, said in a brief telephone interview from his Chicago home. “I doubt if it would occur to her that he would go this far this fast. But she’s enjoyed watching it.”

Stanley Dunham died in 1992, while Obama’s mother died in 1995. His father is also deceased.

When Obama was young, he and his grandmother toured the United States by Greyhound bus, stopping at the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park, Disneyland and Chicago, where Obama would years later settle.

It was an incident during his teenage years that became one of Obama’s most vivid memories of Toot. She had been aggressively panhandled by a man and she wanted her husband to take her to work. When Obama asked why, his grandfather said Madelyn Dunham was bothered because the panhandler was black.

The words hit the biracial Obama “like a fist in my stomach,” he wrote later. He was sure his grandparents loved him deeply. “And yet,” he added, “I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers could still inspire their rawest fears.”

Obama referred to the incident again when he addressed race in a speech in March during a controversy over his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother,” he said.

Dunham was “a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her on the street.”

Still, much of who Obama is comes from his grandmother, said his half sister.

“From our grandmother, he gets his pragmatism, his levelheadedness, his ability to stay centered in the eye of the story,” she told The Associated Press. “His sensible, no-nonsense (side) is inherited from her.”

Madelyn Lee Payne was born to Rolla and Leona Payne in October, 1922, in Peru, Kan., but lived much of her childhood in nearby Augusta.

She was the oldest of four children, and she loved to read everything from James Hilton’s “Lost Horizon” to Agatha Christie’s “The Murder of Roger Ackroyd.”

Dunham and her husband were “vicious” bridge players, according to her brother Jack. After retirement, the two of them would take island cruises and do little but play bridge and a more difficult version called duplicate bridge.


7,721 posted on 05/23/2009 11:16:27 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice; ETL; Beckwith; Fred Nerks; Polarik; null and void; stockpirate; pissant; PhilDragoo; ..

Thanks, OafOfOffice.

Pinging everyone. See # 7,720 and # 7,721.


7,722 posted on 05/23/2009 11:38:22 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: OafOfOffice
Obama relative recalls World War II horror May 8, 2009 12:03 AM

Charles Payne, great uncle of President Barack Obama, poses at his home in Chicago. (Tribune / Kuni Takahashi)

MORE PHOTOS

7,723 posted on 05/24/2009 12:08:19 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: OafOfOffice

fyi.
fwiw.

http://webofdeception.com/obamamother’sssapplication.html

http://home.att.net/~south.tower/Annwriting1.htm

WELCOME ON BOARD!

Every attempt I and others have made to locate birth information has resulted in ZILCH! I began to wonder if ANY birth announcements were available - security reasons maybe? Have you tried finding your own?


7,724 posted on 05/24/2009 12:17:26 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SE Mom

Rut Rooo shaaaaagee.

“If it weren’t for you meddling kids...”


7,725 posted on 05/24/2009 12:22:56 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: OafOfOffice

Funny how all those (white American) relatives keep waking up dead in the morning. I wonder how the Kenyan relatives are doing?


7,726 posted on 05/24/2009 12:31:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, I have found my whole family. In fact one BC that was suppose to sealed from a adoption. You get the basic information and then send for the original. But I did wonder if politicians were made private.

Here is a idea of what you find. I just pulled this from a basic search on anyone.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995

Name:M***** H*********
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1912
Gender: Male
Mother’s Maiden Name: *******
Birth County: San Francisco
Order Original Certificate: Order


7,727 posted on 05/24/2009 12:48:20 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Madelyns father name was Rollo C Payne. Charles Payne had to be a brother of Madelyn’s? Rather than thinking they passed away I think they disappeared, maybe? That is my final answer. I think.


7,728 posted on 05/24/2009 12:53:34 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Fred Nerks

I am sorry, I am not thinking tonight, not birth announcements but birth certificates I can find usually. Birth announcements are in newspapers and I can find those if I need them. I would research announcements when I could not find the birth certificate to order.

I will look at the ssn application tomorrow to see if I can find anything else. Thanks!


7,729 posted on 05/24/2009 1:02:09 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Fred Nerks

May 2009? I have work to do.


7,730 posted on 05/24/2009 1:19:46 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice
I think they 'got' disappeared, maybe?

Maybe.

7,731 posted on 05/24/2009 1:42:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: OafOfOffice

may be useful:

http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/frameset_search.asp

Results for: Stanley Dunham, Death, 1995, All States
Exact Spelling: Off
Social Number: 535408522
[refine search] [Print]
Prepare selected records for download

U.S. Social Security Death Index - 1
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. Stanley DUNHAM - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 29 Nov 1942 State Where Number was Issued: Washington Death: 7 Nov 1995


7,732 posted on 05/24/2009 2:30:29 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: OafOfOffice

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html


7,733 posted on 05/24/2009 2:55:11 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: LucyT

THE OBAMA FILE. LATEST NEWS

7,734 posted on 05/24/2009 3:00:42 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Chief Engineer
and the horrible display of Michelle jumping up into his arms with her legs wrapped around his waist like all their problems were now over.

I saw that video. Michelle was ecstatic. Very strange behavior for a burial.

I have been unable to find this video since. If anyone has a link or copy I would appreciate it if you would send it to me.

7,735 posted on 05/24/2009 3:32:21 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: OafOfOffice; LucyT

I had questioned Nov 2 date as well, but it was announced that she died and from the resources I have read it says she died the day before. So it makes sense. Considering the time zones and time for contacting family members before announcement, I don’t think there is much “there” there.


7,736 posted on 05/24/2009 4:51:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: OafOfOffice

Most of this is propaganda. If the relationship between “Barry” and his granparents was so great, why the alienation and alcohol/drug use? Why Frank Davis Marshall, a Communist and pedophile, with whom he spend weeks at a time?
Davis had far more influence on him than his grandparents ever did, and there is not one single photo of them together once he left high school.


7,737 posted on 05/24/2009 5:02:16 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Will global warming make hell hotter? Or is hell freezing over? That is the ???)
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To: Chief Engineer
This entire scenario is difficult to follow at best for an admitted part timer like myself. I would be interested in your take on the situation. Do you even think that Obama Sr is the father? At this point after seeing a ten minute video of Malcom X I have severe doubts.

From what I read over at Atlas Shrugs last night I am questioning whether or not Stanley Ann was impregnated in Washington state possibly Seattle and then moved to Hawaii.

7,738 posted on 05/24/2009 5:35:15 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Albertafriend
Compare O's size to O sr. and then to Malcolm X, listen to voice video from X and then tell me what you suspect. I already know what i suspect but don't have a wit of proof.

I am not an expert in voice but I do have 30 years of extensive headphone use and at one time did have perfect pitch so I have a general idea.

7,739 posted on 05/24/2009 5:38:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I spent three hours here last night,the X video just blew me away.
7,740 posted on 05/24/2009 5:40:59 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rodguy911; Fred Nerks; Polarik; MHGinTN

Obama can never be decent because his political compass comes from an extreme that is distasteful and alien to Americans.

He never set foot on the continental US until he was an adult. His “American” experience came from his teachings in Hawaii from a communist pedophile.

His “religious” experience came as an adult from a black liberation theology “church.”

Obama’s conception of America is one where the black socialist masses rises up to take what is owed them.

He’s the absolute worst person to occupy the Oval office. Soon we will be all rueing the day he was nominated. It isn’t far off.

Every instinct he has is counter to American values, culture and optimism. Even worse, he is a snippy, thin skinned marxist who does not understand economics at all.

All he knows is left wing religious beliefs and his own narcism.

14 posted on Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:21:30 AM by romanesq
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2257295/posts?page=14#14


7,741 posted on 05/24/2009 7:11:25 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Great analysis, I just wish we could fill in all the missing links that tell a more complete story about who this clown really is.


7,742 posted on 05/24/2009 7:54:30 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I am not sure I don’t believe the Malcolm X story but for sure I have no clue. There is so much out there on obama and his family and until he shows what he is hiding it will continue. I think it is possible the thing he is hiding is his third name Muhhammad. Or where it reads race or ethnicity it says arab. It could be that simple.


7,743 posted on 05/24/2009 12:58:05 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: autumnraine

I just want to see that obama’s mother was born in Kansas. If she was then there will be a birth certificate. IF obama is hiding the fact that both parents were foreign born on his birth certificate then we need to know. I have never found any link to Stanley Ann being born in Kansas. There was one picture of her in kindergarten, then a classmate who had a crush on her said she vanished. I think that may have been the only year she was in Kansas.

Everyone assumes because obama said she was American that she is. Many will say since his mother was American then obama is automatically a American citizen.

Interesting Frank Marshall Davis was born in Kansas.

I will play with dates as far as birth. Then I will go to foreign areas.


7,744 posted on 05/24/2009 1:07:10 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: MestaMachine

Can you explain what you mean a little more? I am not sure what you mean. Obama’s grandparents are not important to him? I can see that because of some of the things about his mother being white. It is also so very strange to me that when his grandmother died he said he would continue his campaign and do a private ceremony later? As a Christian that is a abomination. (not the word I want but can’t remember the exact one) Then when his mother was dying of cancer he did not know she was that bad? Then he continues on and on about how his mother had to worry about filling out forms for insurance and if they would pay. Why was he not there helping her? The only answer to that is obama’s narcisisst personality. But now he needs her horrible situation to use to shove his universal healthcare on everyone. Her illness fits a need of his now. Nothing will convince me otherwise.

As far as why he did drugs and drink, why do wealthy children who have everything do drugs? Why do movie stars who fall into money get into drugs? I think it is a addictive personality. The reason he cannot give up cigarettes when he was told during the election he needed to stop by his team. Genetics play a big part. If Barack Senior is his true father, he was a alcoholic.

I don’t doubt anything. We know nothing about obama. I take the information and just keep it in my thoughts trying to make a link. Some people say obama’s presidency is historical. I think in more ways than one. I never believed a person with such a nefarious background, unproven track record, one who only has radical friends in his life and business, could be president.

Everything obama does points to his dislike of Americans. That dislike was in reverend wrights speeches, Ayers books, Farakhan sermons and Michelle’s own words.

I believe they did not vet him properly. That they felt he got this far in the senate in Illinois (Illinois being corrupt they never gave much thought to) so his certification of birth was enough for them. Then, (they meaning dnc, pelosi etc,) they had put too much energy into their candidate to back down. They needed to win because as Pelosi said she put all her energy into her party taking control so nothing else mattered. The only thing they could is first not admit they know and second help obama stonewall answering the courts. After they are in control who is going to question obama? Cheney is part of the lawsuit and I think he blew it too. He believed obama had to be properly vetted. I think there was some really evil people who made this happen for obama. Obama even said yesterday he could not pass the senate confirmations to be SCOTUS. He knows what he has pulled off.

Frank Marshall Davis was CPUSA. There is no doubt about that. One article I read said he was the person who made sure members never left and when they did he made life uncomfortable for them. I also believe obama’s grandparents and mother were members. The pedophile thing bothers me that obama’s grandparents left him there to visit. Yeeeuuccchh!


7,745 posted on 05/24/2009 1:41:07 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Beckwith

Now we both know there is nary a copy of that video to be found on the web today! It was removed so quickly that the chicken’s head was magically re-attached! It was like she was jumping up onto him as if to express her joy that finally all of their troubles were finally over. I still have questions of why he visited Madelyn’s apartment Dec.30th/08 for a period of approximaely two hours and left from the underground parking. No explanation was ever given for that visit!


7,746 posted on 05/24/2009 2:29:20 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: OafOfOffice

Madelyn Dunham actually died Nov 2nd but they held off on announcing the news until it could make the evening news cycle Monday Nov.3rd/08 ad capture as much of the sympathy vote as possible, not that they needed it with ACORN having already worked their magic in so many states beforehand. Madelyn’s ashes were actually dlivered back to her apartment before election coverage began on tv in HI.


7,747 posted on 05/24/2009 2:37:21 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: OafOfOffice; LucyT

It doesn’t matter where she was born, if he was born outside the United States, she was not old enought to transfer citizenship to him. He would have to be naturalized.

I am a Birther who doesn’t think he was born in Kenya. I think he was born in Canada above Seattle.

Think about how a foreign student barely paying for an apartment, one unemployed 18 year old, no health insurance and no medicaid. They (the Dunhams) previously lived in Seattle where a lot of people would go over the border for healthcare because it was “free”. So it would make sense to go and have the baby there. Back then they kept you for nearly a week after the birth and this would explain why her friend talked about Stanley stopping by her house in Seattle a few weeks after Obama was born and didn’t know how to change a diaper.

Now what in the world would Stanley fresh from having a baby herself and toting a newborn in a non-disposable diaper world be doing in Seattle? Unless she was on the way HOME to Hawaii?

Just a theory and I wish I had the money to investigate. But I think people are spinning their wheels on the Kenya thing.

Lucy, I’m pinging you because I don’t know if you have heard my theory yet.


7,748 posted on 05/24/2009 2:41:28 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: Chief Engineer
...as if to express her joy that finally all of their troubles were finally over

I interpreted her behavior exactly that way. Her delight was apparent.

I'm from Irish people. We have some strange goings on at our wakes and funerals, but I never saw anything like Michelle's behavior.

I have spent some time trying to find that video -- unsuccessfully.
7,749 posted on 05/24/2009 3:11:53 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Chief Engineer

Hi Chief, God help us all if our children and grandchildren care so little for us.

So this is the media report that madelyn’s ashes were back in her apartment before the story ran? Good Grief. If she died at home there had to be a autopsy. How did they get this done so fast? And why? What was the hurry?

I have never heard of anything like this in my life. We know nothing of obama and even his mothers and grandmothers death to me are mysterious. You know what I think? I think it is possible gramdother had to go away but is not gone. It was too coincidental obama went there to see her around the time the courts were being asked to show obams BC. Then a couple of days later she is gone? Obama says, I am continuing my campaign, we will deal with her ashes later?

What do you know of obama’s mother having two social security numbers? And that some say she is still alive and doing business under a alias?


7,750 posted on 05/24/2009 3:20:26 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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