Skip to comments.Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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Arizona was, too, as an incorporated territory. But that sidn’t stop the ignorant questioning of Sen. Goldwater’s eligibility.
It's not an error, though many people now have a misunderstanding of the term "resolution" based on computer display marketing. When you use a given screen size, then you can use pixel dimensions as a proxy for "resolution," in a general comparative sense (though such things as dot size aren't included).
Yes it is an error.
The resolution of an electronic image -- in this case the image contained within the JPEG -- has nothing to do with displaying or printing. It only has to do with the number pixels and total dimension of those pixels.
The McKinnon image contains less pixels than the other image independent of any screen display. That's all one has to do to see that the McKinnon image was NOT the originating image.
*sigh* I am abundantly aware that islam is a so-called religion not a race.
I am abundantly aware that koranimals come in every imaginable shape, size, color, nationality, and for all I know, species.
(FWIW, I used to work for a Desi who was Roman Catholic, I rilly, rilly get it that religious belief and practice are only loosely coupled to ethnic background and, for want of a better word, race. I also know that even the darkest complected Pakistani is, in an ethnological sense, every bit as Caucasian as my pale skinned European ancestors)
Give me a word to use here? I want a word designed specifically to provoke a knee jerk revulsion and rejection of everything the speaker says, does or stands for. Bigoted and prejudiced don’t carry the emotional punch that calling someone racist does. They are too intellectual.
Gimme a word that bitch-slaps the one it’s directed at, and I’d gladly use it instead of the much less accurate ‘racist’.
BTW, since I wasn’t trying to bitch-slap you, I probably should have softened it with a ;^P or a < /sarc> tag...
I have read people referring to those, but have not seen any any of them myself. I’d appreciate a pointer to something, if you’ve got it.
[Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor says the campaign “isnt going to let dishonest smears spread across the internet unanswered. Whenever challenged with these lies we will aggressively push back with the truth and help our supporters debunk the false rumors floating around the internet.” He calls the website “an action center that allows supporters to upload their address books and send emails to all of their friends. Its not enough to just know the truth, we have to be proactive and fight back.”]
My questions are , Why are they NOT pushing back with the ‘truth’ on his BC issue?
Is it because they don’t have anything to fight back with?
Are they scrabbling to produce a document that will hold up under the scrutiny of sites like Free Republic?
Why are they stone walling a response which could very easily be produced by showing the REAL BC?
To obama, (if that is your real name), PRODUCE A VERIFIABLE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND PUT THIS TO REST, that is what’s called FIGHTING BACK WITH THE TRUTH.
1. The U.S. has a Standard Birth Certificate form that they encourage states to use.
2. FWIW, I think constitutionally Feds probably cant MAKE states use this, but they preempt objections by:
determining the data elements that should be collected through consultation with State health officers and registrars; Federal agencies concerned with vital statistics; national, State, and county medical societies; and
letting states customize it to collect whatever additional information they want: It has been modified in each state to the extent necessitated by the particular needs of the State or by special provisions of the State vital statistics law. However, the certificates of most States conform closely in content and arrangement to the standard certificate.
Therefore, I cannot PROVE Hawaii used this form in 1961, but there is no indication in any of the numerous vital statistics tabulations regarding Color that Hawaiis form did not collect this information.
3. You can see a copy of the standard form in use in 1961 here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf on pdf page 228.
Item 23 is Legitimate (yes or no).
Explains various dark corners. thanks.
It is not only African mine worker slaves.
Iranians of the Islamic Regime own several of the high rise luxury hotels, office buildings and residences) in Dubai and auction girls (mostly) and boys on a nightly basis as sex slaves in the basements of the hotels.
Bidders (generally Arabs but not exclusively) choose girls and boys as young as nine and buy them for a night, a week, a month or take possession of them and export them to wherever they want to use them.
For short term ones, they are returned to their original Mullah owners at the end and resold.
With some HALF MILLION homeless, unprotected street children of both sexes in the capital city of Tehran alone and some 100,000 abandoned women and girls also on the streets, without anyone to protect them, the Mullahs have a huge source of supply of flesh to send across the Gulf for the sex slave trade.
Mullahs have often set up brothels in the outskirt towns of Tehran, such a Karaj, by setting themselves up as charities and orphanages dedicated to protecting young girls (only) whose families cannot afford to support and feed them. they then use the girls as local brothel prostitutes. None of the girls dare to complain to the authorities, controlled by those very Mullahs, nor contact their families after having been shames this way.
Even within Iran, prostitution - often under the religious cover of “temporary marriages” which can be for ten minutes, an hour or any length of time, women are sucked into sellling themselves, usually for money or sometimes just for a roof over their heads and food. Or a trip to a Caspian seaside resort to have fun with a stranger as their temporary wife.
A whole tourist trade exists with the travel agencies providing their in-house Mullah to register the temporary marriages, making the whole event “legitimate” by law and by the tenets of religion, which would otherwise require the stoning or execution of the WOMAN.
Men generally get excused for being seduced by the charms of the woman and thus not culpable.
In France they say “cherchez la femme” (find the woman) to locate the source of a man’s success in life. In Iran it is find the woman to use as the fall person to blame for everything and allow the man to be blameless.
A woman and her daughter were raped by a Mullah official and stabbed him in gthe process. He died and they were condemned to death for MURDER.
This is the mentality - in addition to Communist roots - that Obama appears to want to impose on us with his “change” from traditional customs and mind sets and principles, with his pally-wally attitude to Iran.
The Mullahs have instructed their followers and agents in the USA to support and promote Obama. I was not aware of the Tanzania gem trade to Iran and Dubai but heard the Mullahs were spending fortunes trying to get him elected. Specially by covertly buying time on drive-by media, including Farsi language TV and radio stations.
“If anyone wants a certified copy of the Nobama certificate, all you have to do is ask the clerk in the county courthouse where he says he was born. Pay the clerks fee and be on your way.”
Do some research, Old Man. What you say above may be true in your state, but not in Hawaii, else a Freeper would have snagged a copy weeks ago and Obama would already be out of the race...
“An applicant/requestor must provide the information needed to 1) establish his/her direct and tangible interest in the record and 2) locate the desired record. This will normally include:
* Applicant’s name, address, and telephone number(s);
* Applicant’s relationship to the person named on the certificate;
* Reason why you are requesting the certificate;
* Full name(s) as listed on the certificate;
* The certificates file number (if known);
* Month, day, and year of the event; and
* City or town and the island where the event occurred.
* For birth certificates, also provide the full name of the father and the full maiden name of the mother.
* If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you.
Of course, if you’re implying that you know how to buffalo the bureaucrats in Honolulu, be my guest. Procure a copy and post it here: it’ll only cost you $11.50. Won’t that be worth it to show us what bozos we are?
Thank you, and I hope so too.
Yep, good point.
Thread that became a ‘bump list’ that is related to your post:
Dubai Royals Snatch Up Manhattan Real Estate
That is beyond sad, beyond comprehension for most of us.
And here we sit in the comfort of our homes, with our computers, TVs, bottled water, pickup food, etc, and complain about the cost of gasoline.
Obama provides details of his birth weight in Dreams From My Father; Hm. Well, my mother told me as a kid what my birthweight was (9 pounds 15 ounces), and I remembered it from that. I dont remember seeing a copy of my birth certificate until I was 15 and getting my learners permit, and I didnt look at the birth weight section. Im 43, and I couldnt tell you where the birth weight section on my birth certificate isI just remember that its on green paper If this is true why isnt the birth weight recorded on a Hawaiian Birth Certificate? This calls in to question exactly what document was he looking at?
Maybe his original Birth Certificate is from Kenya and his mother flew in back to Hawaii because the laws in 1961 in Hawaii. Perhaps what he has is the easy obtainable “Late” Certificate of Birth. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era. “Who is Eligible to Apply for Late Registration? As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration: Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth. What I find curious is under the law you can apply for one of these years after the birth as long as someone has knowledge of the facts of birth. After reading this I am wondering if Obama was really born in Hawaii if all that was needed was his mothers say so. He could have easily been born in Kenya, brought back to the US and applied for a LATE Certificate.
I read somewhere that Obama’s father was still married to a wife in Kenya and fathered other children by her at the time he allegedly married Obama’s mother and fathered him. If so, wouldn’t his marriage to Ann Dunham have been invalid? And if there was no valid marriage, Obama was not born a U.S. citizen because that requires the parents to be lawfully married. If he wasn’t born a U.S. citizen he is not eligible to be elected President. I may be off track here but if Obama’s father was still married at the time he “married” Ann Dunham, the second marriage is invalid. Somebody, please help me out here.
I love FR.
I don’t think it has to go to court. I believe that fake ID can be referred to ICE.gov. That forgery calls into immigration status.
You have to come forward several decades from 1961 to find "white" replaced by "non-hispanic white", with "non-white" further digressed into "black", "cambodian", etc.
Negro and "colored" weren't asked for.
Even Caucasion wasn't used (lest it be mistaken for "colored").
I don’t believe that a computerized image of a fake document is enough for prosecution any more than a computerized image of counterfeit money would be.
That is so wierd.
Used to be the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) had a rule that your honored ancestor, a Revolutionary War veteran, had to have been married for any of his or her offspring to be qualified for membership.
Darned near put them out of business for a while after they'd implemented that rule ~ which they'd done only to keep out African-American applicants.
Seems that it wasn't all that common for our honored ancestors of the era of our founders to have "real marriages". Jumping the Broom was pretty much the name of the game.
My birth certificate has caucasion. I was born in California in 1966.
However, using African as race makes absolutely no sense (unless they just asked the mother and put down what she said)
Reporting it to ICE.gov would prompt an investigation.
I strongly suspect the locals elected to simply put down whatever the mother said just to stop any downstream kvetching.
Not just talk, there is currently a court case challenging this very fact.
The Senate took it upon itself to vote that he was indeed a natural born citizen, however the courts have never ruled on this, and it is a constitutional issue, which the Senate can not arbitrarily decide.
I predict no court will touch the issue either before or after the election. It may come up as an issue at the convention, which may be what this is really all about. Time will tell, I guess.
“birth certificate forgery”
but is it accurate?
And what do you imagine ICE would do? These are the records maintained under the rules of a state government. They don’t have to report any of this to the federales.
SOMEBODY had better investigate this.
Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in 1961. So if indeed he was born in Hawaii, this that you state would not apply because Hawaii was a state when he was born.
The requirement for President is that of being a “native born citizen”. In 1961, the law was different than it is today. I don’t recall where I read it - if I find it I’ll come and post a link. If Hussein was born in Philippines he is not eligible to be President. Bottom line - the 2 issues are fraud and qualifications. The man is deceitful and unqualified. Wish the GOP had a better candidate.
From memory: He was recently freed on bail and apparently will not face harsh charges. I would have to check my notes on this. Let me know how/if important this is to you and i will search.
Already happening in the UK
Dick Cheney could legally obtain one,
Oh, I expect SOMEONE is.
But for now...it’s devilled eggs, steaks on the grill, ribs smokin’, pitchers of lemonade and iced tea, potato salad and cole slaw...neighbors kids running around with sparkly thing-a-mabobs!
Thank you. Very good reading.
You may remember that Khomeini’s British father, Haj Abdullah Williamson, from Bristol, England, hooked up with a couple of gay sheikhs when he established himself in the Persian Gulf on the Arab side.
A must read if you missed it.
The hillary people need to file a lawsuit immediately. If they do not have the nutsack to do it, the republican surrogates need to do it. Immediately. To get it out into the open. It would have to go fastrack and be determinative prior to the Denver gig.
As long as the problem is dealt with, I guess that’s the
important thing. We don’t need to find out 2 years into the future that a possible president is not a legal citizen!
Of course, we are all hoping (and praying!) that it will be a moot point because we’ve elected a Republican to the office!
Oh. Never mind.
I don't think at the time 'bastard' would be on the BC.
Can't we expect a little accuracy on a government document?
Good catch on the slip of the tongue there. Cleaning up my act now......
Watch it, buster. This is a family FRiendly forum. We'll have no tongue slipping around here. ;^)
McCain's only counter move would be to claim he is Moses. Can anyone here photo-shop a hieroglyphic BC?
What term would you use to describe the number of pixels that should appear per unit distance when the image is rendered at normal size? While the term "resolution" has many uses, I am unaware of any other good term to describe the above measurement. I suppose one could use "pixel density" or "dots per inch", but I've not seen the former term used for that purpose, and the latter term is rather clunky (it would be akin to saying that the miles-per-hour of a car was 55).
Do you have the capability to reverse this picture in order to read what it says above? This appears to be in an airport, hotel, etc; but is passed off as a wedding picture in the Time magazine. In the time magazine it states that Stanley Ann Dunham was 3 months pregnant and "Nobody was invited" to the wedding.
I attended JC with Iranian students.Kids from well to do families-mostly high level govermental officials.They’d listen to tapes made by Khomeni(in exile in France at the time).They claimed the Shah and SAVAK were opressive,and Khomeni would change all that.Looks like reality is far different.
I think the new law was retroactive.
They had HOPE, they wanted CHANGE.
It looks like the sign on the left says, “Philippine Airlines.”
Not according to many things I’ve read, and nothing in the law says that it’s retro-active: http://tinyurl.com/2z899t
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