Analysis: Priviledge and Arrogance During McCain's Annapolis Years

www.enewsreference.com ^ | 07/31/2008 | eNews Reference

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[Tex Pete]

Is Obama’s “military record” fair game?

[Polybius]

[TexasCajun]

McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war. He flew 23 missions. He got 28 medals. In other words, he got more medals than he had missions. Not bad. It should be noted that none of McCain’s medals related to anything he did in combat. They were given for the supposed bravery he displayed after he had been shot down and captured.

It’s appropriate to ask whether McCain’s shoot-down was caused by bad luck or simple incompetence on his part. Of course, there is no way to answer definitively. But we can form an assessment based on the rest of McCain’s military record. At the Naval Academy, McCain graduated almost bottom of his class. He was 790th out of 795. McCain lost many aircraft over the course of his military career – five in total. Most pilots who lost aircraft at the rate McCain did would have been kicked out of the service. But McCain had protection from up on high. His father was an admiral. He was an untouchable. So McCain blundered his way through his military career until he was finally shot down.

Incompetent & Unlucky - not the best qualities in a fighter pilot.

[Jeff Head]

McCain was an arogant, not too talented fighter jock. BUT, he went into harm's way. As the son of the commanding Admiral in the Pacific he probably could have gotten out of it...but he didn't and he flew into the teeth of the tiger. He was shot down, bayonetted, tortured, and imprisoned for years, turning down the North's propoganda ploy that would have seen him get an early release.

By the accounts of those there with him, he served honorably, even heroically while he was captive.

That makes up for a whole lot of arrogance and whatever ineptitude he had in getting there.

Look, I do not think McCain is a good conservative candidate. Quite the contrary. it is a shame and disgusting that we are left with the options we have...but I have looked into his military record, and done so with a skeptical eye and I will not try and discount him over it. He served, he was injured, wounded, tortured and imprisoned for that service.

...and despite my severe misgivings about quite a few critical conservative issues he has betrayed his base on, yet he does hold some conservative issues that we can maintain during his administration. Compared to Obama, with McCain's military background, his commitment to the war against Islamic Jihad, his pro-life position (such as it is), there is really no comparison to the absolute marxist that Obama is.

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[tx_eggman]

Still shilling your own moronic website ... the hit count at www.pathetic.com must be going up in leaps and bounds

[iowamark]

The word is spelled: privilege

[wideawake]

McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war.

And 47,200 hours in an enemy prison camp.

Who is the assclown who wrote this?

[YdontUleaveLibs]

I want to see the OP’s military record. I would also like to see a similar discussion on Obama’s teaching carreer seems he was an intellecual lightweight even as a prof.

[scory]

I believe that McCain has the best interests of the United Sates of America at heart. He is flat-out wrong in some of his policy positions but not all. Barrack Hussein Obama does not, IMO, have the best interests of the United States of America at heart and is wrong on virtually all of his policy positions. McCain is the obvious choice.

[americanophile]

"McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war."

This is appalling to me. How long do you have to spend in combat to be considered a hero? There were plenty of young American heroes who died on beaches in places like Normandy and across the Pacific that spent a some total of 2 seconds in combat. Personally, I don't think it's "appropriate to ask whether McCain’s shoot-down was caused by bad luck or simple incompetence on his part." That is, unless he's going to be flying his own Airforce One if elected. His combat service speaks to his willingness to serve his country, and his captivity to his courage and resolve. His judgment on issues that he would affect as president can be gleaned, and has already been demonstrated by his leadership on the surge. The rest is just a bunch of meaningless armchair generaling by people who weren't there, and feel they can pass judgment on someone who suffered enormously on behalf of his country.

[mware]

[mware]

ping

[TexasCajun]

Good post.

I strongly dislike the man as well.

But his election is more important than my dislike of The Maverick.

This type of stuff really tweaks the MeCainiacs and that's just plain fun.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war. He flew 23 missions.

Gee, a "mere" 20 hours in combat. I'm sure I do not know how you distinguish "combat" hours from "waiting to get shot at" hours. Say loss rates "in combat" are 1 per hundred hours. That means you have about a one in five chance of being killed during those mere twenty hours. How may people would sign up for a job like that.

In World War II bomber crews were rotated home after 25 missions. I'm not sure Vietnam, with radar guided missiles and a period when MiGs actually out performed U.S. fighters was a whole lot less stressful.

This discounts the hazards not related to combat, like the chance of getting killed in a fire on the deck or when landing or taking off from a ship at sea.

[Hillary'sMoralVoid]

The Aircraft carriers were just off the coast, it took maybe five or less minutes to be in the combat zone after takeoff. Many bomb runs in VietNam involved a small bomb load against a single target. Tim in combat is no measure of risk.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I think it’s a fair guess, though I haven’t got the data, that losses among aviators were higher than among infantrymen in Vietnam.

[BatGuano]

Just another case of errogance. The jerk who wrote that title was so jealous of so called “privilege”, it put him over the edge! That is how that “d” was mysteriously inserted.

Oh, I don't recall any postings from enewsservice regarding
J F’n Kerry in 2004, do you?

[MEGoody]

If you are going to pimp your site, you should learn to spell properly.

[MEGoody]

This type of stuff really tweaks the MeCainiacs and that's just plain fun.

Ever hear of something called emboldening the enemy?

[BatGuano]

Hey Tex, do you know what they call the person who finishes last in his class at Medical School? DOCTOR!

Last in the class at Harvard Law? You get the idea. I also know men who were shot down with less than 23 missions. He was awarded those medals for his courage, bravery, and honor. It takes courage to strap on a fighter, knowing that it might be your last flight. Have you ever done that?

Also, the sons of Flag Officers that I knew in the Air Force were not “untouchable”. They had to work hard to achieve because of carrying the “legacy” burden. Blundered?

[Admin Moderator]

It should be noted that none of McCain’s medals related to anything he did in combat. They were given for the supposed bravery he displayed after he had been shot down and captured.

Nothing supposed about the zot just delivered to your posting privs. Nice links you have there, too - Daily Kos, Huff Post, and other liberal nutcase forums. Later, troll.

[YdontUleaveLibs]

Thanks, Admin Moderator.

[PeteB570]

Shucks, and I thought you wanted to play.

Here ya’ went and got banned before the fun could start.

[TexasCajun]

I don't know the history or John father and grandfather but they were great men, no doubt, that provided the very best they could for their son and grandson.

I can surely give profs to John for his service and wish no man ever has to endure what he did.

Now, for his politics, that's a new battle.

[oldenuff2no]

@0 minutes of combat are plenty. You could die a hundred times in that amount of time. 10 seconds in a firefight is an eternity and I've watched many die in those 10 second bursts of war.
It is clear that you know nothing of fighting wars either on the ground or in the air. You have chosen to trash a known and respected war hero and then support a yellow backed coward who refused to volunteer to serve his country.
How is it that Obama can sit in a church every Sunday for 20 years and listen to racist anti white hate speech but yet he can't bring himself to step up and serve his country?
Take your crap some place else there are a lot of vets in here who know cowardly spin verbal diarrhea when they hear it. By the way, lick you lips and wipe you mouth some of it is still dripping off.

[Pistolshot]

[Tex Pete]

“Take your crap some place else there are a lot of vets in here who know cowardly spin verbal diarrhea when they hear it. By the way, lick you lips and wipe you mouth some of it is still dripping off.”

I’m assuming you meant to be posting to the original poster, as I would never denigrate McCain’s service.

[McGruff]

[llandres]

I believe that McCain has the best interests of the United Sates of America at heart. He is flat-out wrong in some of his policy positions but not all. Barrack Hussein Obama does not, IMO, have the best interests of the United States of America at heart and is wrong on virtually all of his policy positions. McCain is the obvious choice.”

I agree and for that alone, there is NO comparison between these two. The MOST important quality is what you mentioned - a firm love of America and the determination to put its interests and good ahead of his own. Look, he’ll need some Come to Jesus briefings when he takes office, but they’ll come, and because his motives are honorable, he’ll listen to them. And hopefully, likely, he’ll be surrounded by wise advisors and people smarter than he, with the same intentions for America and to keep it safe.

The alternative of BHO is totally untenable and unthinkable.

[Admin Moderator]

So much for his posting “priviledges.”

[KYGrandma]

I don’t care where he was, even anchormen(last in class) he was able to be accepted out of all those that applied. An admirals son has to make the grade to get in Annapolis. It is a lot more than most people do. My husband wasn’t at the top of his class, but he still is a hero to most who wanted in and couldn’t get there. I admire anyone who went through the four years at USNA and made it through. Plebe year was tough back then.

[Arrowhead1952]

[oldenuff2no]

Yes that was to the original poster. Obama doesn't have enough experience in government to run a preschool. My 13 year old son knows more about the military and national defense mission that Berry ever will.

[rabscuttle385]

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