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Part VI Some Hospice Care Providers Hasten Death
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| August 16, 2008
| Bill Beckman
Posted on 08/16/2008 11:01:26 AM PDT by Daniel T. Zanoza
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To: Daniel T. Zanoza
Typical un-named source anti-hospice materiel from a group that advocates prolonging life no matter how much pain the terminally ill patient is enduring.
Let them experience the pain for 24, or 2400 hours, then possibly re-evaluate their position.
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posted on
08/16/2008 11:15:46 AM PDT
by
MindBender26
(Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
To: MindBender26
As some of who is prolife, this kind of thing is embarassing and counterproductive. I suppose one could make the argument that hospice speeds up a death by giving opiates. It slows down breathing. im sure there have been some folks who died that way. but not intentionally.
this kind of thing gives the pro choice side more ammo.
To: MindBender26
I will say this. The people who wrote this article have never been terminally ill.
To: Daniel T. Zanoza
It depends on the hospice. Would you want to be put into the hospice that “helped” Terri Schiavo. I've dealt with people in different hospices. Some are great. But some make Kevorkian look pro life.
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posted on
08/16/2008 12:54:09 PM PDT
by
isrul
(Harriet Quimby~1912~Hannah Reitsch ... A Coincidence?)
To: isrul
Reimbursement for services unfortunately can enter the picture. Some insurance payors reimburse hospice on a per case basis, thus pressure to keep costs low on any one patient, thus opening up “temptation” to hasten the process. Just think what temptations migh exist under national healthcare reimbursement ?
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:05:30 PM PDT
by
buckalfa
(confused and bewildered)
To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; wagglebee
The deathbots have arrived.
Þ
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:16:42 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: Daniel T. Zanoza; 230FMJ; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:18:16 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: buckalfa
It's frightening.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:18:26 PM PDT
by
isrul
(Harriet Quimby~1912~Hannah Reitsch ... A Coincidence?)
To: BykrBayb
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:19:00 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: buckalfa
Just remembered that I heard somewhere that medicare won't pay for a “live discharge”. That's disturbing.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:19:56 PM PDT
by
isrul
(Harriet Quimby~1912~Hannah Reitsch ... A Coincidence?)
To: wagglebee
Shocked! Shocked, I tells ya’!
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:20:30 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
Soylent Green comes to mind.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:40:57 PM PDT
by
wintertime
(Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
To: wagglebee
The hospice checklist linked in the article looks like a useful resource in determining if a particular hospice adheres to the original intent of hospice’s founder. http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/HospiceChecklist.htm .
You matter to the last moment of your life, and we will do all we can, not only to help you die peacefully, but to live until you die. ~ Dame Cicely Saunders (founder of the modern hospice movement)
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:43:20 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: wintertime
And Logan’s Run:
http://corky.net/scripts/logansRun.html
VOICE
He’s lying. No Sandman ever ran.
2ND VOICE
You don’t run. You kill runners.
You have killed runners all your life. -
LOGAN
Yes I have.
(beat)
Now it’s my turn. And I want to
live.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:52:16 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
You matter to the last moment of your life, and we will do all we can, not only to help you die peacefully, but to live until you die. I think they started omitting the last phrase about the same time that doctors decided that the phrase, "I will keep them from harm and injustice" in the Hippocratic Oath doesn't REALLY mean what it says.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:54:31 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
You sound like one of those people who think words have meaning.
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posted on
08/16/2008 1:56:19 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
And as BJ Clinton proved back in 1998, the left prefers to redefine words to suit whatever their agenda is at the time.
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posted on
08/16/2008 2:02:38 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: MindBender26
“Let them experience the pain for 24, or 2400 hours, then possibly re-evaluate their position.”
Agreed. When cancer is growing in your lungs and you have progressive air hunger you would hope that those taking care of you make sure you get what you need to dull the pain and quell the fear.
To: wagglebee
You mean like the way an objective article that praises hospice and aims to protect it from destruction is now called
anti-hospice materiel?
Refraining from actively killing someone is now called prolonging life.
Any objection to active involuntary euthanasia is now embarassing and counterproductive to the prolife movement.
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posted on
08/16/2008 2:27:26 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
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