Skip to comments.Are Conservatives Facing Another 1964?
Posted on 10/24/2008 8:52:10 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
Fellow Freepers, I know all hope is not lost. And I do believe our numbers are stronger than the media says.
Though I do wonder if we are facing another 1964. In the sense that we have a Republican Arizona senator facing the onslaught of a liberal Democrat, liberal media and liberal Congress.
I do NOT believe John McCain represents conservatism the way Barry Goldwater represented our ideas. But I think we may be in for a "long, hard slog", as Rumsfeld once put it in another context.
The socialists/big tax and spenders may seize our government in January. And with the press and voter fraud on their side, they may hold power for a long, long time.
We spent 16 years...from 1964 until 1980...until a true conservative went into the White House. Will we not see another until 2024??
What say you?
I say that you a nattery nabob of negativity. I would be too if I read Politico and the Washington Compost.
In 1964, there was a conservative running for president.
If the election were held tomorrow, McCain/Palin would win rather comfortably. Obama's only hope now is some type of DUI-like October/November surprise.
Actually it may be given to them by an illiterate self-obsessed electorate.
I love the concern these drama queens (as you so drolly put it) have once the polls start to TIGHTEN. Instead of talking about how wonderful the trend has been for McCain, the large # of undecideds, etc... it’s hand-wringing.
Fascinating stuff really.
Hardly. The opponent we are facing in Barak Obama is much more dangerous to the nation than the one we were facing in 1964.
If obama is elected and comes up with a fraud BC, then I don’t think the US as we know it will be intact in 16 years.
No. The GOP may be facing a loss against Zero, but conservatism is a different matter, not to be confused with the GOP. The “1964” type loss for conservatives came much earlier this year, when McCain clinched the nomination.
Remind me again, please. How big was President Kerry's margin of victory?
Stop believing the OBama talking points peddled by the Obama front groups AP, Politico ,Compost, CNN !
Maybe I'll be pleasantly shocked, but I seriously doubt it.
sounds like you need to get back into your Democrats Anonymous meetings.
We are going to win. Conservatives have huge influence in the country. And we have up and comers who know how to progress the conservative agenda by speaking directly to the people.
PS- Cancel that WEEKENDER subscription to the New York Times. That Sh!t will kill you
I am in SE FL and pretty hard core Dems who had Kerry signs in their yard plus Gore signs have McCain signs. My guess is many of these people never voted Repub.
Hillary beat Obama like a red headed stepchild in FL, OH and PA. Obama was not far behind 3rd place Edwards in FL.
A lot of those Hillary voters know Obama cheated and many are not voting for Obama for a variety of reasons including race.
We fight until Election Day. If we lose, we keep fighting.
By now you should know that the MSM does not exist to inform, it exists to mold opinion. It's working on you.
This is no time to go wobbly.
The GOP is facing one big demographic problem: hispanics. The hispanic vote is going to look more and more like the black vote, so within a couple of election cycles you’re going to see about 35 percent of the electorate off-limits to the GOP.
Blacks and hispanics who vote Democrat do so for one reason: more free stuff. And the Democrats will always offer more free stuff.
Any future GOP electoral victories can only arise from their recieving 70 plus percent of the white, non-jewish vote. The problem is that the white vote is getting more and more single/non-married, and that demographic has trended Democratic for a long time.
Comparing this election to 1964 is idiotic given the completely different demographic realities.
McCain is not a conservative.
And LBJ was probably more conservative than the Republican candidate for President...
> McCain/Palin would win rather comfortably
Denial is the most predictable of all human response.
McCain is behind in almost every catagory that matters in gaining the electoral votes needed to win.
The 1964 election was a year after the JFK assassination and emotions were still at a fever pitch. No one was going to beat LBJ - not Goldwater, not Ronald Reagan, no one.
The irony of your statement is beautiful. :-)
McCain is behind in almost every catagory that matters in gaining the electoral votes needed to win.
You're beyond clueless. McCain/Palin are in much better shape electorally than the Obamessiah. A random fourth grader could grasp this, but apparently it's beyond the capabilities of far too many FReepers.
I'm very sorry you think public polls skewed far outside the realms of historical precedent are reality. Some of us are able to look at more than unrealistic public polls, which are only one small part of the equation. Oh, and they're probably the easiest to manipulate.
yeah its 64 alright... 1864... NO WIMPING OUT NOW!!!!
No. Liberals are facing another 1896.
I was told that if I voted for Goldwater that we’d be stuck in a long unwinnable war and have riots in the streets. Darned if they weren’t right.
If LBJ and JFK were running today, they’d be the republicans and McCain would be the dem. OB would be the Socialist Worker’s Party.
I doubt we’re facing another 1964 (Goldwater and McCain are not analogous) — though we may be facing another 1976.
In ‘76, Republicans and conservatives had taken a beating. Watergate had forced Nixon and Agnew to resign. Gerald Ford was a weak Republican President, and caught up in the scandal for issuing pardons. Gerald Ford was a moderate, and defeated true conservative Ronald Reagan in the primaries. He squared off against a true-blue liberal in Jimmy Carter ... and lost.
The ensuing 4-years were not pretty ... but effectively demonstrated the failure of liberalism. The result was Ronald Reagan, the Shining City, and a conservative resurgence that spanned 25 years. Since then, we’ve seen 25 years of prosperity, huge tax cuts, the end of MSM dominance, the rise of Limbaugh, the fall of the USSR, the death of Saddam Hussein, and the routing of Al Quaida.
We now have a Republican party and conservative movement that has taken a beating for the last few years. We have a moderate Republican candidate that beat out more conservative counterparts in the primary (Thompson, etc). We have a true-blue liberal opponent that may win — and if he does, the ensuing 4-years won’t be pretty. But, we’ll survive ... and it will again effectively demonstrate the failure of liberalism.
And ... if Obama wins, we rebuild. We find our Reagan. We return in 2012, and start the next 25-years of conservative dominance.
Demographics, demographics, demographics. The problem facing the GOP is that it has a declining demographic base, and it is facing electoral implosion within the next couple of election cycles, if not this one.
The GOP is the party of the white, married, childbearing middleclass, and its fortunes live and die with the ascendancy or decline of that particular demographic.
"She's the One," which reached #33 on the Billboard Hot 100, didn't exactly bust the charts, but it's still a solid hummer!
I wondered if the 1976 scenario is more likely, too. The difference, I think, is that ‘76 had Carter and Ford much much closer. I only asked because this race (according to the pundits) show Hussein with a much larger lead.
Though you may be correct: the 1976 repeat may be more appropro.
What I WOULD LOVE to see is a shock to the system: McCain wins, Democrat margins in the House shrink...and the body politic realize it was the Palin/grass root conservatives who made the margin.
I’ve taken some grief on this thread, and that was not unexpected. But I think we have to face the likelihood this is not a good environment for conservatives. Hussein is not worshiped by the general public, but he also has done a good job of pretending he is a “regular guy”. McCain has refused to take the gloves off and show him to be a radical.
Anyway, I pray every day for the Republicans to win.
Take your meds, sit down for awhile, and I’ll get back to you.
It’s the demographics, stupid. The *type* of person, generically, who votes Democrat is rapidly increasing relative to the *type* of person who votes Republican. Given the party’s current array of appeals to voter identity, the GOP is doomed to demographic oblivion. Do you really think that locked in Democrat constituencies will “see the light” if Obama were running against Ronald Reagan himself?
Hell, no. If Obama were running against Reagan he would still get 95 percent of the black and 80 percent of the hispanic vote (the hispanic vote has gotten considerably more “brown” since 1980).
Demographics. Do you people even know what the term means?
In order for the GOP to win in the future they’re going to need, at minimum, 70 percent of the non-jewish white vote. And those people are not 70 percent conservative. Not even close.
Exactly. And the truth is that McCain was going to be an underdog even if the economy wasn't heading into the sewer. Rarely does a party win the White House three terms in a row.
But with the economy the way it is now and about 90% of the American public feeling that the country is on the wrong track, it will take a miracle for him to pull out an upset. And it certainly doesn't help that he has run a terrible and passive campaign.
>> The difference, I think, is that 76 had Carter and Ford much much closer. I only asked because this race (according to the pundits) show Hussein with a much larger lead.
Its the same as it ever was. Zogby predicted Kerry recieving over 300 electoral votes. Gore was supposed to win. Clinton had 14 points on Dole in pre-election polls (and only won by 8).
Polling is an inexact science, and I remain unconvinced that polls and pundits are genuine (they’re all spinning).
>> What I WOULD LOVE to see is a shock to the system: McCain wins, Democrat margins in the House shrink...and the body politic realize it was the Palin/grass root conservatives who made the margin.
I think there is a legitimate chance of that. If McCain takes Pennsylvania, this race is completely different.
>> But I think we have to face the likelihood this is not a good environment for conservatives.
Politics is cyclical ... it is always darkest just before the dawn. (see 1976, for instance).
>> McCain has refused to take the gloves off and show him to be a radical.
They’ll find out ... one way or another. Whenever they do (pre or post election), conservatism sees a new dawn.
Demographics are a symptom, not the problem. Demographics are fluid, and thus can be changed. Republicans need to do a better job of changing them. African Americans weren’t always Democrats ... and there’s no reason to think they always will be Democrats. The problem is, since Reagan left office, we’ve not sold conservatism particularly well.
We need a fresh crop of flagbearers ... people to replace the Ronald Reagan’s and William F. Buckley’s of the past. People that are eloquent enough to speak to the conservative philosophy, but not so eloquent that they’re unrelatable elitists. People from across demographics. People that can speak to average Americans and Reagan Democrats about the greatness of America, economic freedom, personal liberty, and moral responsibility. People that can both explain and inspire.
Bottom line ... whether McCain wins or loses, we need to rebuild the movement.
I know the media is in the tank for Hussein. But the polls also showed the ‘rats making huge gains in 2006. And they were right. :(
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